[Woj] Teams have described Sixers asking price for Simmons' as growing...

[Curmudgeon]

I think the Hawks will bite. They must be getting desperate.

[ForeverTFC]

I forget what Pod I heard this in but they essentially said that the rumours of Ben's price being high is planted by Morey. He's essentially raising the asking price so folks think there is a good deal to be had when he gets what he wants.

[Chris Porter's Hair]

Well, Morey has been proven right, in the offseason, no one thought Brown or Beal for Simmons are realistic, I think both deals are totally realistic now, and if Lillard wasn't injured, he also would be realistic.

Morey has been proven right? Every single article written about a Simmons trade all say the same thing.

“Simmons is no closer to returning to the team and the team is no closer to getting a trade done.”

How is that proving Morey right?

He didn't take the lowball offers, and now better options are becoming realistic.

No, "you think" better options are becoming realistic. That's different. As a neutral fan, I have *no* idea why you think Beal (or a healthy Lillard???) would be the slightest bit realistic right now.

[falcolombardi]

Sixers are doing the right thing. There’s no rush. No need to deal him for pennies on the dollar. Situations change all the time and new opportunities present themselves.

Also, Ben’s opinion may change when he’s staring down the barrel of a second season forfeiting pay.

the longer simmons goes without playing the less confidence teams have in trading for him

[falcolombardi]

Literally all you're doing is listing teams current standings. Nowhere are you explaining how those teams are "desperate". You're just guessing teams like "panac" at the deadline (even though historically that's pretty unlikely).

Correct. Current standings of those teams vs. expected standings of those teams before the season started.

Did we think the Celtics would be out of the playoffs with two stars on the teams?

Did we think the Hawks would go from Eastern Conference runners-up a year ago to 12th in the East?

The Wizards out of the playoffs after adding all those players in the off-season?

The Timberwolves with their front-office changes in the off-season and out of the playoffs for almost 20 years? When they can taste the offseason this year and just need a little push to finally make KAT happy and get in.

sure, underpwrforning teams may get trigger happy, but what exactly would they be willing to part ways to get a player who has refused to play and has not been on the courts for over half a year?

Atlanta is unfortunately not gonna trade young for simmons no matter how much they are underperforming- who else in Atlanta actually fits morey asking price?

is boston gonna give tatum for simmons? unlikely, even brown seems unlikely

is minnesota gonna give towns ? probably not

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[Mr B]

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[jswede]

Smart - some teams that thought they were much better than they were are probably much more desperate to make a move than they were.

Man, some of you people are just making this **** up as you go, aren't you?

Come on man you can't tell me that teams like BOS ATL LAL POR etc aren't much more motivated to make this kind of big deal than they were coming into the year.

you think those teams want Simmons MORE now than in October?!?!?!

[DusterBuster]

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As I’ve been saying… Portland nowhere near his desired landing spot and that’s even with Lillard… if Portland trades anything for Simmons, at best they get him for only 3 years before he’s bolting to another team in FA.

[DusterBuster]

Man, some of you people are just making this **** up as you go, aren't you?

Come on man you can't tell me that teams like BOS ATL LAL POR etc aren't much more motivated to make this kind of big deal than they were coming into the year.

you think those teams want Simmons MORE now than in October?!?!?!

This right here

[RoyceDa59]

I like it. Teams are becoming desperate, and will become even more desperate as the playoffs near and some are on the cusp.

If that strategy doesn't work, there's always draft day and the off-season.

Ben was hoping to jet outta Philly. That ain't happenin, cuz. You gonna stay till the franchise is the benefactor, not you

Which? Which teams are becoming desperate?

In the East, the Wizards are 9th, Celtics are 10th, Hawks are 12th. All out of the playoffs currently and expected to make the playoffs before the season started. There's pressure to perform there and change things up.

In the West, the Timberwolves are 9th, Spurs are 10th, Kings are 12th and Pelicans are 13th. All teams that are performing less than expected before the season started, so the expectations were high and actual results are low.

That's 7 teams right there. And the number will grow the closer we get to the playoffs. Somebody will panac at the trade deadline, guaranteed.

But which top 25 player from those teams will be available in trade for Ben? There’s definitely demand for Ben, there’s no demand at Moreys asking price.

[VanWest82]

Sixers are doing the right thing. There’s no rush. No need to deal him for pennies on the dollar. Situations change all the time and new opportunities present themselves.

Also, Ben’s opinion may change when he’s staring down the barrel of a second season forfeiting pay.

the longer simmons goes without playing the less confidence teams have in trading for him

Maybe if it's a 2+ year period. So far it's been half a season. Guys sustain actual injuries - serious injuries where they're out for a year+ and still retain most of their trade value. Simmons is healthy and a world class athlete in his prime. His value isn't going down.

[sfballa13]

Morey might be one of the most overrated GMs I've seen.

Most overrated GM in NBA History

In his 14 seasons with the Houston Rockets (with Harden and CP3 - arguably two of the all time top 50 NBA players)
- missed the playoffs 3 straight seasons in a row
- lost in the first round FIVE times
- went to the WCF only TWO times
- ZERO Finals appearances

In his first year in Philly, Embiid + Simmons as the #1 seed in a injury decimated Eastern Conference, lost in the 2nd round.

This guy is a clown and this entire situation is a black eye for the NBA.

Name one free agent (besides maybe Harden) who would sign for the Sixers with this ownership and Morey as GM.

Everyone is poopin on Simmons for his contribution to the Game 7 loss but conveniently ignore another classic 3-1 playoff collapse by Doc Rivers and 8 turnovers by Embiid in Game 7.

Morey and the ownership honestly believe that they can hold out and trade Simmons in the offseason. His value is at an all time low already so what's the worse that could happen....

well the Sixers could get bounced in the 1st round then he would be worth nothing esp after sitting out an entire year

[Mik317]

people keep parroting the same talking points..

Its not wasting Embiid's prime any more than trading him for Malik Beasley and trash would.

Those said deals are also not going anywhere.

And It only takes one team to get antsy....which happens all the time.

I swear some of yall act like you are new to this. Most of these "leaks" are half truths that don't tell the full story and are planted as way to control the narratives..they don't mean anything until the trade is made or not.

Again I doubt Morey gets all of the dumb **** he is allegedly asking for either...but I don't thin that is the goal anyway. Bottom line is that settling for more role players doesn't raise the ceiling either so why not wait it out and see if something unforeseen shakes loose? You can get trash for Ben at anytime. The only parties that doing a trade asap benefits atm is Ben and other teams...and **** em.

[falcolombardi]

Sixers are doing the right thing. There’s no rush. No need to deal him for pennies on the dollar. Situations change all the time and new opportunities present themselves.

Also, Ben’s opinion may change when he’s staring down the barrel of a second season forfeiting pay.

the longer simmons goes without playing the less confidence teams have in trading for him

Maybe if it's a 2+ year period. So far it's been half a season. Guys sustain actual injuries - serious injuries where they're out for a year+ and still retain most of their trade value. Simmons is healthy and a world class athlete in his prime. His value isn't going down.

put yourself in a gm place regarsing ben simmons now compared to ben simmons in the offseason

a) he has shown to be willing to sit out of a season in the midle of a contract cause he doesnt like his team, not exactly inspiring confidence he wont do the same to you if you trade for him, his threat of sitting out is now somethingh he has proven not to be just a bluff

b) he wont be in the best shape for the end of the 2022 season meaning likely you would be trading hoping to get the best out of hin for 2 years only (less value)

those two thinghs were not concerns before but they are now

[Pantsman]

Morey is really lucky he lucked into harden turning into an all time great otherwise he’d be a nothing. Probably some assistant scout somewhere.

[DusterBuster]

Smart - some teams that thought they were much better than they were are probably much more desperate to make a move than they were.

Man, some of you people are just making this **** up as you go, aren't you?

Come on man you can't tell me that teams like BOS ATL LAL POR etc aren't much more motivated to make this kind of big deal than they were coming into the year.

All teams are motivated to make big deals.

I can’t speak for those other teams, but all indications in Portland is that they’re just going to punt on this season for a high pick and resting Dame. The new GM has made it extremely clear in every interview he’s done since getting the job that the teams intentions are to continue to build around Dame, not trade him. There’s no reason to think that changes unless Dame asks out, and there’s been no talk of that for awhile now. So yeah, portland is motivated to make a big deal, but not a deal trading their best player.

[VanWest82]

the longer simmons goes without playing the less confidence teams have in trading for him

Maybe if it's a 2+ year period. So far it's been half a season. Guys sustain actual injuries - serious injuries where they're out for a year+ and still retain most of their trade value. Simmons is healthy and a world class athlete in his prime. His value isn't going down.

put yourself in a gm place regarsing ben simmons now compared to ben simmons in the offseason

a) he has shown to be willing to sit out of a season in the midle of a contract cause he doesnt like his team, not exactly inspiring confidence he wont do the same to you if you trade for him, his threat of sitting out is now somethingh he has proven not to be just a bluff

b) he wont be in the best shape for the end of the 2022 season meaning likely you would be trading hoping to get the best out of hin for 2 years only (less value)

those two thinghs were not concerns before but they are now

Simmons had character concerns that were widely known before his trade demand. Kawhi sat out a year. AD sat our half a year. I'd think any GM looking to trade for Simmons would talk to Rich Paul first. He isn't going to risk quitting again.

I don't get/share your concern about him being out of shape. Again, he's 25 and he's a world class athlete. Bet he's in pretty good shape.

[sfballa13]

Man, some of you people are just making this **** up as you go, aren't you?

Come on man you can't tell me that teams like BOS ATL LAL POR etc aren't much more motivated to make this kind of big deal than they were coming into the year.

All teams are motivated to make big deals.

I can’t speak for those other teams, but all indications in Portland is that they’re just going to punt on this season for a high pick and resting Dame. The new GM has made it extremely clear in every interview he’s done since getting the job that the teams intentions are to continue to build around Dame, not trade him. There’s no reason to think that changes unless Dame asks out, and there’s been no talk of that for awhile now. So yeah, portland is motivated to make a big deal, but not a deal trading their best player.

I still dont understand why people think that the Hawks, Blazers, Celtics or Wizards would make a deal with the Sixers.

- Hawks: defeated the Sixers last year - they arent going to trade in conference for the guy that underperformed in the series they won

- Blazers: Dame doesnt want out, Portland doesnt want a guy like Simmons who has no interest in staying with the Blazers and has shown he is willing to sit out an entire season

- Celtics: only a few games behind the Sixers in the standings, they refused to trade Tatum/Brown for Kawhi but now they would move one for Simmons? Nah

- Wizards: Beal wants to resign (more money for him available) with the Wizards and the Wizards have nearly the same record as the Sixers minus an amazing player like Embiid

Morey will either take what he can get from the Kings/Wolves/Pacers or he will take the gamble and sit him out all year praying that the Sixers dont get bounced in the 1st/2nd round (which would drive his value down even more)

[DusterBuster]

I forget what Pod I heard this in but they essentially said that the rumours of Ben's price being high is planted by Morey. He's essentially raising the asking price so folks think there is a good deal to be had when he gets what he wants.

Not out of the realm of possibility.

I think the Hawks will bite. They must be getting desperate.

Maybe.

I think, and this is purely a guess based on the rumors, Morey is getting to a place where he realizes if he can’t get the top 30 player he wants in a trade for Ben, he wants to position the Sixers to have cap space this summer to sign that player. That means dumping a lot of salary, hence him reportedly now wanting to move Harris as well.

If a deal does happen before the deadline, I think it’ll be a 3 team deal where they get picks, maybe a couple nice prospects, but mostly expiring contracts so he can try to sign Harden this summer.

[DusterBuster]

Come on man you can't tell me that teams like BOS ATL LAL POR etc aren't much more motivated to make this kind of big deal than they were coming into the year.

All teams are motivated to make big deals.

I can’t speak for those other teams, but all indications in Portland is that they’re just going to punt on this season for a high pick and resting Dame. The new GM has made it extremely clear in every interview he’s done since getting the job that the teams intentions are to continue to build around Dame, not trade him. There’s no reason to think that changes unless Dame asks out, and there’s been no talk of that for awhile now. So yeah, portland is motivated to make a big deal, but not a deal trading their best player.

I still dont understand why people think that the Hawks, Blazers, Celtics or Wizards would make a deal with the Sixers.

- Hawks: defeated the Sixers last year - they arent going to trade in conference for the guy that underperformed in the series they won

- Blazers: Dame doesnt want out, Portland doesnt want a guy like Simmons who has no interest in staying with the Blazers and has shown he is willing to sit out an entire season

- Celtics: only a few games behind the Sixers in the standings, they refused to trade Tatum/Brown for Kawhi but now they would move one for Simmons? Nah

- Wizards: Beal wants to resign (more money for him available) with the Wizards and the Wizards have nearly the same record as the Sixers minus an amazing player like Embiid

Morey will either take what he can get from the Kings/Wolves/Pacers or he will take the gamble and sit him out all year praying that the Sixers dont get bounced in the 1st/2nd round (which would drive his value down even more)

Nailed pretty much all of these situations. Not sure I totally agree with you on the Hawks take, but everything else seems spot on.