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Re: 2021-22 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread 

Post#1141 » by aminiaturebuddha » Thu Jan 13, 2022 4:03 pm

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aminiaturebuddha wrote:Their salaries are very similar, except that Gordon has another year (and an additional team option after that). So Houston could take on Dragic (and maybe Flynn and a 2nd if they wanted), and then buy him out and he could sign with a contender. Then Houston would have cap space and flexibility, and take about $19 million off their books for next year when they're clearly not going to compete anyway. Meanwhile the Raps get a good shooter, passable defender, and decent facilitator to help the bench in those minutes when Fred sits for this year and next.


It poses a bit of a cap challenge;
For the moment lets play with the Dragic and Gordan salary numbers because any ballast would likely be negligible (2m-ish)

Dragic + Anyone for Gordan opens up a bit more daylight between us and the tax threshold.
Therefore if we wanted to keep DJ Wilson it provides us a path toward that.

Where it becomes complex is July 1st;
Assuming we allow Boucher and all other FAs to expire w/ Gordan we are at 125m in committed salary for next season;
If you opt to keep Yuta or Boucher you are now likely over or near the 136m luxury tax line.

This is before you sign your FRP, Lets assume we are drafting between 10 and 20 you have somewhere between 2.2 and 3.6m for that.
Then any use of your exemptions puts you well into the tax.

Gordan certainly helps us today;
But that contract becomes complication to manage if we want to do anything in the offseason.


Thanks for crunching the numbers on that. Boucher's play of late may change the calculations on that, but I've been sort of assuming that the Raps won't look to retain him in the off-season. Not sure about Yuta at the moment. That would give them a bit more to play with, I guess.

If they renounced them both, I wonder if fitting a salary like Gordon's, along with the 1st round pick (the Raps don't have a 2nd this year) would allow them space with the exemptions to take a run at someone like Jalen Smith for the frontcourt and still stay under the tax.

I don't think we should expect major moves from the Raps, either at the trade deadline or in the off-season. But moves like that to help the bench would make sense if they don't go over the tax.
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Re: 2021-22 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread 

Post#1142 » by canada_dry » Thu Jan 13, 2022 4:46 pm

All the hawks got was for reddish was a protected first and they also gave a 2nd up?

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Re: 2021-22 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread 

Post#1143 » by Morris_Shatford » Thu Jan 13, 2022 4:48 pm

canada_dry wrote:All the hawks got was for reddish was a protected first and they also gave a 2nd up?

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This is the perk of having future FRPs that are not your own on the books;

That Charlotte pick is essentially lotto protected so the Hawks are getting in a best case an FRP between 14 - 30 or worst case it conveys to a pair of SRPs
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Re: 2021-22 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread 

Post#1144 » by douggood » Thu Jan 13, 2022 4:52 pm

canada_dry wrote:All the hawks got was for reddish was a protected first and they also gave a 2nd up?

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its a bkn second.
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Post#1145 » by douggood » Thu Jan 13, 2022 4:57 pm

in other news; the bol bol trade to detroit has been cancelled, bol bol failed physical
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Post#1146 » by billy_hoyle » Thu Jan 13, 2022 5:29 pm

Reddish was the 10th pick in the draft. They essentially took a flyer on him, have better prospects Hunter and Huerter, and are turning over the asset before they pay him. I bet ATL will end up with a decent player with their ~ same value pick. No way Char doesn't make the playoffs over the next couple years.

Decent upside for the Knicks too
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Post#1147 » by kj_ » Thu Jan 13, 2022 5:29 pm

canada_dry wrote:All the hawks got was for reddish was a protected first and they also gave a 2nd up?

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I would have thought his value was higher than that. Really solid move for the Knicks.


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Post#1148 » by C-R-E-A-M- » Thu Jan 13, 2022 6:46 pm

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2952421-latest-nba-trade-intel-how-will-dame-lillard-surgery-impact-ben-simmons-market

Myles Turner appears the likeliest Indiana player to be traded before the deadline, with a list of suitors that includes Dallas, Minnesota, New York, Sacramento, Charlotte and Portland. Toronto was also mentioned by several league personnel as a team to keep an eye on for Turner's services. The Pacers' asking price is said to include multiple first-round picks.

The Raptors' recent win streak has ended rivals' speculation Toronto could once again consider opting for a rebuild, as it did prior to the 2021 draft. Chris Boucher, in the final year of his contract, is considered available for a trade, however.

Orlando is said to be asking for first-round picks in return for each of Terrence Ross, Gary Harris and Mo Bamba. Rival teams are optimistic those prices may drop to two second-rounders, as the Magic ultimately accepted for Evan Fournier last deadline.
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Re: 2021-22 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread 

Post#1149 » by Morris_Shatford » Thu Jan 13, 2022 6:53 pm

C-R-E-A-M- wrote:Orlando is said to be asking for first-round picks in return for each of Terrence Ross, Gary Harris and Mo Bamba. Rival teams are optimistic those prices may drop to two second-rounders, as the Magic ultimately accepted for Evan Fournier last deadline.


I don't think either Bamba or Harris are on the level that Fournier was at when he was dealt for two seconds last year;
Ross, sure.

Lets say the value ends up being SRPs for these guys;

Adding Ross and his 12.5m next season and being able to take a flyer on Bamba before he is an RFA in exchange for Dragic + Bonga (We get another 1m away from the tax line in this case) and a few SRPs may be a discussion worth having?
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Post#1150 » by DreamTeam09 » Thu Jan 13, 2022 7:00 pm

Morris_Shatford wrote:
C-R-E-A-M- wrote:Orlando is said to be asking for first-round picks in return for each of Terrence Ross, Gary Harris and Mo Bamba. Rival teams are optimistic those prices may drop to two second-rounders, as the Magic ultimately accepted for Evan Fournier last deadline.


I don't think either Bamba or Harris are on the level that Fournier was at when he was dealt for two seconds last year;
Ross, sure.

Lets say the value ends up being SRPs for these guys;

Adding Ross and his 12.5m next season and being able to take a flyer on Bamba before he is an RFA in exchange for Dragic + Bonga (We get another 1m away from the tax line in this case) and a few SRPs may be a discussion worth having?


I'd give up a first for Mo Bamba and Tross if need be. Bamba to us is definitely worth a 1st. Odds we get a player better than Bamba at a position of need for us is unlikely imo.

I'd love that deal actually, I think it takes us up a notch
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Post#1151 » by DreamTeam09 » Thu Jan 13, 2022 7:04 pm

Tross along with Bamba here without giving up our top 7-8 and I think we have a chance to get to the chip this year frfr
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Post#1152 » by douggood » Thu Jan 13, 2022 7:05 pm

bamba outside of his hot first month, has fallen back into his usual self; is having his worst season so far, even counting his hot start.

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career .465 shooter; is at .448 this season, all his other stats are down as well, rpg,, ppg, blks etc per 36min

was hot in OCT to start season, nov onwards shooting .42 from field
he is a 7'2" center shooting .42%
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Re: 2021-22 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread 

Post#1153 » by Bruin » Thu Jan 13, 2022 7:29 pm

I’d really like to go after Okongwu
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Post#1154 » by youngRAPZ » Thu Jan 13, 2022 7:42 pm

douggood wrote:bamba outside of his hot first month, has fallen back into his usual self; is having his worst season so far, even counting his hot start.

edit:
career .465 shooter; is at .448 this season, all his other stats are down as well, rpg,, ppg, blks etc per 36min

was hot in OCT to start season, nov onwards shooting .42 from field
he is a 7'2" center shooting .42%

He needs to get out of Orlando. Bamba and Ross for Dragic Flynn and/or Bonga and a first is definitely good value for us and if we don’t like Bamba we either sign and trade him or sign him to a fair deal and look to move him next year with Ross expiring.

Siakam/Bamba/Birch
Barnes/Precious/Wilson(min.?)
Og/Yuta(resigned $4M mle)/ChamPappy
Trent/Ross/Svi(likely picks up option)
VV/Vet pg(rest of mle)/Banton

That’s a good lineup with a nice bench we can always have 2-3 starters on the court.


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Re: 2021-22 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread 

Post#1155 » by Morris_Shatford » Thu Jan 13, 2022 7:43 pm

DreamTeam09 wrote:
Morris_Shatford wrote:
C-R-E-A-M- wrote:Orlando is said to be asking for first-round picks in return for each of Terrence Ross, Gary Harris and Mo Bamba. Rival teams are optimistic those prices may drop to two second-rounders, as the Magic ultimately accepted for Evan Fournier last deadline.


I don't think either Bamba or Harris are on the level that Fournier was at when he was dealt for two seconds last year;
Ross, sure.

Lets say the value ends up being SRPs for these guys;

Adding Ross and his 12.5m next season and being able to take a flyer on Bamba before he is an RFA in exchange for Dragic + Bonga (We get another 1m away from the tax line in this case) and a few SRPs may be a discussion worth having?


I'd give up a first for Mo Bamba and Tross if need be. Bamba to us is definitely worth a 1st. Odds we get a player better than Bamba at a position of need for us is unlikely imo.

I'd love that deal actually, I think it takes us up a notch


For me an FRP is too much because this entire thing is high risk for us.

I would make the deal for Bamba solely so I could see him for a few dozen games in Toronto's systems to determine if he could be salvaged and if we even wanted to extend him this summer.

I think if we really wanted Bamba I am not sure Orlando would match a full MLE offer this summer.
With Isaac out he is getting no shortage of minutes and he is largely fallen back into the guy we know and love from the last three seasons just with more minutes, I don't value his potential as that high its the risk that our development system can fix his game.

Ross for slightly more than the full MLE next season is likely better than anyone we can trade for or sign for that 6th man-ish role.

This is a deal of "spare parts" for me, its strictly bench guys with the hope that Bamba can get better which is why SRPs and expirings is likely my highwater mark for a trade.
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Post#1156 » by Psubs » Thu Jan 13, 2022 9:39 pm

PrinceAli wrote:I’d really like to go after Okongwu


He's probably #2 on the Hawks behind Trae as most valuable.

What about Boucher and 2022 1st pick for PJ Washington and 2nd pick?
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Post#1157 » by Jadoogar » Thu Jan 13, 2022 9:40 pm

I would give a FRP (lottery protected) for Bamba. He's RFA so no real risk of losing him, young enough to fit the time of the core and provides sorely needed rim protection.
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Re: 2021-22 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread 

Post#1158 » by Morris_Shatford » Thu Jan 13, 2022 9:51 pm

Jadoogar wrote:I would give a FRP (lottery protected) for Bamba. He's RFA so no real risk of losing him, young enough to fit the time of the core and provides sorely needed rim protection.


For me its not the risk of losing him;
Its the risk of signing him longer term and him continuing to be mediocre.

A question for you or maybe for the group as well.

What does Bamba command contract wise this summer?
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Re: 2021-22 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread 

Post#1159 » by billy_hoyle » Thu Jan 13, 2022 9:53 pm

Morris_Shatford wrote:
Jadoogar wrote:I would give a FRP (lottery protected) for Bamba. He's RFA so no real risk of losing him, young enough to fit the time of the core and provides sorely needed rim protection.


For me its not the risk of losing him;
Its the risk of signing him longer term and him continuing to be mediocre.

A question for you or maybe for the group as well.

What does Bamba command contract wise this summer?


3yrs, 40m total?
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Post#1160 » by Jadoogar » Thu Jan 13, 2022 9:57 pm

Morris_Shatford wrote:
Jadoogar wrote:I would give a FRP (lottery protected) for Bamba. He's RFA so no real risk of losing him, young enough to fit the time of the core and provides sorely needed rim protection.


For me its not the risk of losing him;
Its the risk of signing him longer term and him continuing to be mediocre.

A question for you or maybe for the group as well.

What does Bamba command contract wise this summer?


I would guess 12-15M, his numbers have been pretty good this year. 10/8/2blks (albeit bad percentages). He's flashing a little bit of shooting potential as well.

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