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Re: Woj: Pistons finalizing a trade for Bol Bol 

Post#141 » by joeposh » Thu Jan 13, 2022 7:05 pm

Sort wrote:Pistons lead the league in voiding contracts for questionable big men. I don't even remember that guy's name anymore - never made it in the NBA after Pistons voided the contract. I think he was from Houston? A few years back now.

Too bad though. I mean no other player on the bench would have peaked my curiosity about watching play for ten minutes a night.

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Donatas is actually in the comments of Woj's tweet about this saying these Detroit medical failures are unwarranted and ruining young players careers, calling on the Player's Association to do something about it. I think he probably earned that grudge.

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Re: Woj: Pistons finalizing a trade for Bol Bol 

Post#142 » by Invictus88 » Thu Jan 13, 2022 7:13 pm

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Sort wrote:Pistons lead the league in voiding contracts for questionable big men. I don't even remember that guy's name anymore - never made it in the NBA after Pistons voided the contract. I think he was from Houston? A few years back now.

Too bad though. I mean no other player on the bench would have peaked my curiosity about watching play for ten minutes a night.

Welcome back super duper 15th player McGruder!


Donatas Montaj…something. We basically ruined any value he had left in the nba

I think this is a bit of a stretch.

His value took a hit in the short term sure but he had plenty of opportunity the following year in N.O. to reestablish his value (averaging 4.4 pts in 14 minutes in 34 games). The reality is that he didn't and therefore wasn't good enough to be rostered; playing in China for 2 years before having a brief stint in S.A. (averaging 2 pts) before going back to China.

If anything we identified something that other teams later saw as well. He had later opportunities to show otherwise and simply did not play well enough to stay in the league. Otherwise he would be here.
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Re: Woj: Pistons finalizing a trade for Bol Bol 

Post#143 » by Manocad » Thu Jan 13, 2022 7:15 pm

joeposh wrote:
Sort wrote:Pistons lead the league in voiding contracts for questionable big men. I don't even remember that guy's name anymore - never made it in the NBA after Pistons voided the contract. I think he was from Houston? A few years back now.

Too bad though. I mean no other player on the bench would have peaked my curiosity about watching play for ten minutes a night.

Welcome back super duper 15th player McGruder!


Donatas is actually in the comments of Woj's tweet about this saying these Detroit medical failures are unwarranted and ruining young players careers, calling on the Player's Association to do something about it. I think he probably earned that grudge.

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Yeah, good luck with that. There have been five voided trades, three involving the Pistons with two of the three voided by the Pistons. That hardly screams widespread conspiracy which needs to be addressed even it involved the same team doctors, which it might not have. Sounds like homeboy just has his own axe to grind since a medical diagnosis doesn't determine whether a guy can or can't play, and this cat never had a career to ruin anyway.
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Re: Woj: Pistons finalizing a trade for Bol Bol 

Post#144 » by 440BB » Thu Jan 13, 2022 7:27 pm

joeposh wrote:
Sort wrote:Pistons lead the league in voiding contracts for questionable big men. I don't even remember that guy's name anymore - never made it in the NBA after Pistons voided the contract. I think he was from Houston? A few years back now.

Too bad though. I mean no other player on the bench would have peaked my curiosity about watching play for ten minutes a night.

Welcome back super duper 15th player McGruder!


Donatas is actually in the comments of Woj's tweet about this saying these Detroit medical failures are unwarranted and ruining young players careers, calling on the Player's Association to do something about it. I think he probably earned that grudge.

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Motiejunas subsequently failed his physical with the Rockets and they withdrew their four year $35 million offer. A history of back issues and he initially refused to even take a physical. Pistons dodged a bullet there.
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Re: Woj: Pistons finalizing a trade for Bol Bol 

Post#145 » by Play007 » Thu Jan 13, 2022 7:28 pm

More on Donatas Motiejunas's case, guess we were not the only one think he has problem back then.

"After the 2015–16 season, Motiejūnas became a restricted free agent. On December 2, 2016, following a prolonged contract dispute with the Rockets which lasted into the first month of the 2016–17 season, he received a four-year, $37 million offer sheet from the Brooklyn Nets, which the Rockets matched three days later. A day after the Rockets matched his four-year offer sheet to retain him, Motiejūnas did not show up for his scheduled physical exam with the team. Motiejūnas' camp made the decision to not report to the Rockets because of a difference of nearly $6 million from the offer sheet he signed with the Nets; the Rockets only had to match the principle terms of the offer sheet, which came to $31 million. As a result, on December 9, the two sides negotiated a new four-year, partially guaranteed deal worth between $35 million and $37 million with bonus clauses. While they appeared to have a new deal in place, Motiejūnas was sent home before the team's game on December 10 after taking a physical, and five days later, the Rockets renounced the four-year deal and their rights to Motiejūnas, allowing him to become an unrestricted free agent."

https://www.chron.com/sports/rockets/article/Rockets-Donatas-Motiejunas-fails-to-show-up-for-10759626.php
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Re: Woj: Pistons finalizing a trade for Bol Bol 

Post#146 » by chrbal » Thu Jan 13, 2022 7:31 pm

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chrbal wrote:
Sort wrote:Pistons lead the league in voiding contracts for questionable big men. I don't even remember that guy's name anymore - never made it in the NBA after Pistons voided the contract. I think he was from Houston? A few years back now.

Too bad though. I mean no other player on the bench would have peaked my curiosity about watching play for ten minutes a night.

Welcome back super duper 15th player McGruder!


Donatas Montaj…something. We basically ruined any value he had left in the nba

I think this is a bit of a stretch.

His value took a hit in the short term sure but he had plenty of opportunity the following year in N.O. to reestablish his value (averaging 4.4 pts in 14 minutes in 34 games). The reality is that he didn't and therefore wasn't good enough to be rostered; playing in China for 2 years before having a brief stint in S.A. (averaging 2 pts) before going back to China.

If anything we identified something that other teams later saw as well. He had later opportunities to show otherwise and simply did not play well enough to stay in the league. Otherwise he would be here.



Sorry, that was partially sarcasm. His career wasn’t anything special. Then the trade happened and didn’t. And he still brings it up.

Without that he’d only be a one year wonder when he put up 12 a night for Houston one season.
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Post#147 » by Moses ShamMoses » Thu Jan 13, 2022 7:37 pm

Not sure why we felt the need to void the trade given what we gave up. McGruder + late 2nd is basically nothing. If anything they should have just took the 2nd out and did the player-for-player swap for short term depth.
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Post#148 » by Liqourish » Thu Jan 13, 2022 7:38 pm

Manocad wrote:
joeposh wrote:
Sort wrote:Pistons lead the league in voiding contracts for questionable big men. I don't even remember that guy's name anymore - never made it in the NBA after Pistons voided the contract. I think he was from Houston? A few years back now.

Too bad though. I mean no other player on the bench would have peaked my curiosity about watching play for ten minutes a night.

Welcome back super duper 15th player McGruder!


Donatas is actually in the comments of Woj's tweet about this saying these Detroit medical failures are unwarranted and ruining young players careers, calling on the Player's Association to do something about it. I think he probably earned that grudge.

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Yeah, good luck with that. There have been five voided trades, three involving the Pistons with two of the three voided by the Pistons. That hardly screams widespread conspiracy which needs to be addressed even it involved the same team doctors, which it might not have. Sounds like homeboy just has his own axe to grind since a medical diagnosis doesn't determine whether a guy can or can't play, and this cat never had a career to ruin anyway.


And the two front offices for the Pistons that voided those trades were entirely different. Donatas is just bitter and trying to jump on the Pistons right now due to this timing.
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Post#149 » by Slim Charless » Thu Jan 13, 2022 8:22 pm

Liqourish wrote:
Manocad wrote:
joeposh wrote:
Donatas is actually in the comments of Woj's tweet about this saying these Detroit medical failures are unwarranted and ruining young players careers, calling on the Player's Association to do something about it. I think he probably earned that grudge.

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Yeah, good luck with that. There have been five voided trades, three involving the Pistons with two of the three voided by the Pistons. That hardly screams widespread conspiracy which needs to be addressed even it involved the same team doctors, which it might not have. Sounds like homeboy just has his own axe to grind since a medical diagnosis doesn't determine whether a guy can or can't play, and this cat never had a career to ruin anyway.


And the two front offices for the Pistons that voided those trades were entirely different. Donatas is just bitter and trying to jump on the Pistons right now due to this timing.


Question for you guys: since this deal is voided and I (assume) there's still interest in Jalen Smith. Do you think your front office would do a Killian for Jalen swap? Thx
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Post#150 » by Collymore » Thu Jan 13, 2022 8:41 pm

Beast Mode McGruder is coming home!
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Post#151 » by coolness » Thu Jan 13, 2022 8:46 pm

Slim Charless wrote:Question for you guys: since this deal is voided and I (assume) there's still interest in Jalen Smith. Do you think your front office would do a Killian for Jalen swap? Thx


Can't read their minds. It would be a no-brainer to do it imo, but maybe we have the best chance of any team to sign him this summer.
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Post#152 » by Slim Charless » Thu Jan 13, 2022 9:10 pm

coolness wrote:
Slim Charless wrote:Question for you guys: since this deal is voided and I (assume) there's still interest in Jalen Smith. Do you think your front office would do a Killian for Jalen swap? Thx


Can't read their minds. It would be a no-brainer to do it imo, but maybe we have the best chance of any team to sign him this summer.


We've talked this on the Suns board and I think the biggest lure to trading for him as opposed to signing him would be that you get to see how he is in your system before committing to a LTD for him.

I think it would pretty well for both teams personally. Killian is young, so he can sit behind CP3 for a cpl and then hopefully take over.
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Re: Woj: Pistons finalizing a trade for Bol Bol 

Post#153 » by mattao313 » Thu Jan 13, 2022 9:31 pm

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coolness wrote:
Slim Charless wrote:Question for you guys: since this deal is voided and I (assume) there's still interest in Jalen Smith. Do you think your front office would do a Killian for Jalen swap? Thx


Can't read their minds. It would be a no-brainer to do it imo, but maybe we have the best chance of any team to sign him this summer.


We've talked this on the Suns board and I think the biggest lure to trading for him as opposed to signing him would be that you get to see how he is in your system before committing to a LTD for him.

I think it would pretty well for both teams personally. Killian is young, so he can sit behind CP3 for a cpl and then hopefully take over.
I don't think Jalen Smith will command that much money to be worried about signing him. Killian has been terrible and probably isn't worth much but I don't see the point of trading him for a guy we can sign in the off season.

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Post#154 » by DBC10 » Thu Jan 13, 2022 9:40 pm

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Can't read their minds. It would be a no-brainer to do it imo, but maybe we have the best chance of any team to sign him this summer.


We've talked this on the Suns board and I think the biggest lure to trading for him as opposed to signing him would be that you get to see how he is in your system before committing to a LTD for him.

I think it would pretty well for both teams personally. Killian is young, so he can sit behind CP3 for a cpl and then hopefully take over.
I don't think Jalen Smith will command that much money to be worried about signing him. Killian has been terrible and probably isn't worth much but I don't see the point of trading him for a guy we can sign in the off season.

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Yep, he's probably a nice project signing for next season. Still 21 too and has been productive in the spotty minutes he's been getting and would help with our interior rebounding a tick

Not sure why they'd want Hayes though. They have Cam Payne off the bench and CP3 likely still has a good couple years left like a Stockton type
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Re: Woj: Pistons finalizing a trade for Bol Bol 

Post#155 » by FloridaMan78 » Thu Jan 13, 2022 9:42 pm

mattao313 wrote:
Slim Charless wrote:
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Can't read their minds. It would be a no-brainer to do it imo, but maybe we have the best chance of any team to sign him this summer.


We've talked this on the Suns board and I think the biggest lure to trading for him as opposed to signing him would be that you get to see how he is in your system before committing to a LTD for him.

I think it would pretty well for both teams personally. Killian is young, so he can sit behind CP3 for a cpl and then hopefully take over.
I don't think Jalen Smith will command that much money to be worried about signing him. Killian has been terrible and probably isn't worth much but I don't see the point of trading him for a guy we can sign in the off season.

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If we did want to sign him, than it would be better not to trade for him. We couldn’t sign him for as much as another team if we did. It’s debatable if he’s worth that much, but if we really wanted him we could easily lose him with another team offering a few thousand more.
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Post#156 » by Slim Charless » Thu Jan 13, 2022 10:03 pm

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mattao313 wrote:
Slim Charless wrote:
We've talked this on the Suns board and I think the biggest lure to trading for him as opposed to signing him would be that you get to see how he is in your system before committing to a LTD for him.

I think it would pretty well for both teams personally. Killian is young, so he can sit behind CP3 for a cpl and then hopefully take over.
I don't think Jalen Smith will command that much money to be worried about signing him. Killian has been terrible and probably isn't worth much but I don't see the point of trading him for a guy we can sign in the off season.

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Yep, he's probably a nice project signing for next season. Still 21 too and has been productive in the spotty minutes he's been getting and would help with our interior rebounding a tick

Not sure why they'd want Hayes though. They have Cam Payne off the bench and CP3 likely still has a good couple years left like a Stockton type


Cam has been underwhelming this season but we would still use him as the guy for the rest of the season. Killian's lure would be his age, size and profile. He would still be a rookie contract we could take a cheap look at to be someone we tutor under Chris.

Cam isn't someone who will learn anything more under CP3-Killian is still young enough to maybe be different.
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Post#157 » by DetroitSho » Thu Jan 13, 2022 10:05 pm

FloridaMan78 wrote:
mattao313 wrote:
Slim Charless wrote:
We've talked this on the Suns board and I think the biggest lure to trading for him as opposed to signing him would be that you get to see how he is in your system before committing to a LTD for him.

I think it would pretty well for both teams personally. Killian is young, so he can sit behind CP3 for a cpl and then hopefully take over.
I don't think Jalen Smith will command that much money to be worried about signing him. Killian has been terrible and probably isn't worth much but I don't see the point of trading him for a guy we can sign in the off season.

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If we did want to sign him, than it would be better not to trade for him. We couldn’t sign him for as much as another team if we did. It’s debatable if he’s worth that much, but if we really wanted him we could easily lose him with another team offering a few thousand more.
Why wouldn't we be able to offer him more than other teams? Are you getting Bird Rights mixed up with this?

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Post#158 » by Manocad » Thu Jan 13, 2022 10:15 pm

Slim Charless wrote:
Liqourish wrote:
Manocad wrote:Yeah, good luck with that. There have been five voided trades, three involving the Pistons with two of the three voided by the Pistons. That hardly screams widespread conspiracy which needs to be addressed even it involved the same team doctors, which it might not have. Sounds like homeboy just has his own axe to grind since a medical diagnosis doesn't determine whether a guy can or can't play, and this cat never had a career to ruin anyway.


And the two front offices for the Pistons that voided those trades were entirely different. Donatas is just bitter and trying to jump on the Pistons right now due to this timing.


Question for you guys: since this deal is voided and I (assume) there's still interest in Jalen Smith. Do you think your front office would do a Killian for Jalen swap? Thx

You must not have heard that Killian Hayes, 56 games into his NBA career, is garbage who will never amount to anything. He can't possibly have value to another team since he'll likely be out of the NBA in the next four minutes or so.
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Re: Woj: Pistons finalizing a trade for Bol Bol 

Post#159 » by mattao313 » Thu Jan 13, 2022 10:22 pm

FloridaMan78 wrote:
mattao313 wrote:
Slim Charless wrote:
We've talked this on the Suns board and I think the biggest lure to trading for him as opposed to signing him would be that you get to see how he is in your system before committing to a LTD for him.

I think it would pretty well for both teams personally. Killian is young, so he can sit behind CP3 for a cpl and then hopefully take over.
I don't think Jalen Smith will command that much money to be worried about signing him. Killian has been terrible and probably isn't worth much but I don't see the point of trading him for a guy we can sign in the off season.

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If we did want to sign him, than it would be better not to trade for him. We couldn’t sign him for as much as another team if we did. It’s debatable if he’s worth that much, but if we really wanted him we could easily lose him with another team offering a few thousand more.
I don't see him getting any more than a diallo type of deal.

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Post#160 » by Slim Charless » Thu Jan 13, 2022 10:26 pm

DetroitSho wrote:
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mattao313 wrote:I don't think Jalen Smith will command that much money to be worried about signing him. Killian has been terrible and probably isn't worth much but I don't see the point of trading him for a guy we can sign in the off season.

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If we did want to sign him, than it would be better not to trade for him. We couldn’t sign him for as much as another team if we did. It’s debatable if he’s worth that much, but if we really wanted him we could easily lose him with another team offering a few thousand more.
Why wouldn't we be able to offer him more than other teams? Are you getting Bird Rights mixed up with this?

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My point for someone trading for him would be the team (in this case you guys) seeing if they like the guy, if he fits well with Cade and the system you wanna run-before you sign him to a long deal. Basically you get a 4 month flyer on him to see if you wanna pay him. As opposed to getting in some theoretical bidding war for a dude who you'd then be stuck with if he doesn't fit.

Same for him. On the Suns forum alot of posters think he'll take a discount this summer since he likes the system, the city, and his teammates. No reason why he wouldn't feel the same way after starting with, and being on the other end of a few lob passes from Cade for the next few months.

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