[Woj] Teams have described Sixers asking price for Simmons' as growing...

[DusterBuster]

My issue (from a Sixer's fan perspective) is why is Klutch saying "simmons prefers to be traded, but still not mentally ready". If he's not mentally ready to play, he's not mentally ready to play for any team. As if magically moving him to another team is going to clear his mental head. And of course they thought of this excuse already by saying Simmons will need "weeks to prepare to play again".

It's just bad. These excuses. No one feels sorry for Simmons. He's got guaranteed contract. He just doesn't want to be a sixer (which is fine). But at least be a professional and show up and play and than get traded. This issue would have been resolved a long time ago if Simmons had done that.

[Brandon-Clyde]

People are trying to compare a leonard with one year left to Simmons with 4 years left (now 3.5 years). I don't know why posters on this board refuse to acknowledge these simple facts. Guys on longer term deals, their teams have zero incentive to trade for them especially if Simmons is just 25 years ago. I can get trying to trade a 33 year old Simmons on a long term contract. But age, contract length matter a great deal here.

There is also a downside to there being 3 years left on Simmons contract in that if Simmons continues to be a problem the team is on the hook for $30+ million per year of potential bad contract.

Yes and no, if Simmon's cannot perform and doesn't cooperate with team's recommendation to "rehab" either he keeps getting fined or if he keeps saying he's not "mentally ready" At some point, the mental illness starting after 12 months (aka starting after July 2022) sixers can try to pursue permanent disability claims and get salary cap relief like Miami Heat got with Chris Bosh.

So Morey and Sixers can still play hard ball with Simmons. The dude spends a lot of money. I suspect at his rate of spending he's gonna to fold in less than 24 months being broke unless Klutch is gonna to bail him out. Rich Paul is back tracking stuff like simmons wants to be traded but mentally not ready. If he's not mentally ready, the trade request should be the last thing from his mind. Right? I think Klutch and Simmons are so far deep in the lying hole, they got to continue lying for as long as they can. That's just my opinon and you can choose to agree or disagree.

Even if they got 100% salary relief the Sixers are still over the cap and by applying for such relief they are admitting Simmons has a disability and by federal law would be required to pay him his salary including the amount he has been fined. As to his spending habits I have no idea how much he spends but all he needs to do to stay solvent is spend less.

[DusterBuster]

Not trying to **** post, but one thing I'm learning from this situation is that Morey and 76ers fans are delusional. Simmons aint coming back and teams are not going to give you the type of player you want for him. Legit wasting Embiid's precious years.

Someone talked about the Hawks and other teams being desperate because they're on the playoff cusp...what are you gonna get from those teams that makes you title favorites? Young and others aren't going anywhere.

This will end with a trade package of a bunch of mediocre players and picks for Simmons or him sitting out for seasons. Whole thing is goofy. They tried hard as hell to trade Simmons for Harden and that fell through. Most teams move players that are disgruntled, this is simply Morey trying to flex and force a move on Simmons that will not come. He will never play for the 76ers on home court again.

I think this might be their last-ditch plan, still ending up with Harden in the summer. What Windhorst said he was hearing from sources does make the most logical sense given what options they have left. If Harden resigns in Brooklyn though, then Morey is really SOL and needs to just take what we can get because he will have gone bust with his bluff.

I don't believe they'll let Harden walk. They'll trade part time Kyrie to get him paid somehow. Even if the stars aligned and the 76ers got Kyrie for Simmons...they wouldn't be favorites in the East. I predict, this whole thing will end with Morey losing his job.

It's not entirely up to the Nets. Harden is a FA, he can go where he pleases. If he wants to go to the Sixers, he can force the Nets hand into a S&T. It's pretty common when that situation happens, teams usually help to accommodate the player, and in this case, it wouldn't be like the Nets are losing Harden for nothing at least.

[jbk1234]

Meanwhile, the Lillard and Beal have said nothing about wanting to leave and their respective teams have been completely steadfast in saying they have no intention of trading them and want to continue building around them. Keep hanging your hat on that dream there buddy...

You Sixer fans who are so stuck on the idea of getting Lillard, Tatum, Brown, or Beal in a direct Simmons deal are just cringe-worthy embarrassing. Think out of a box a little more. As I've been saying, if the Sixers really want a guy of that caliber, they're better off doing it by other means like FA vs trying to do it via trade because the teams you guys keep bringing up time and time and time again aren't interested in it.

Dump salary and then take a swing at James Harden this summer... that's a far more realistic way for Morey and you Sixer fans to get the quality of player you want than this trade pipedream you all are smoking.

The issue with both Beal and Dame is how much do their teams want to keep them at this point?

Especially with Beal. The privilege of signing him to a supermax isn't all that appealing. Even a standard 5 year max is a dicey proposition.

I can only tell you what the Blazers GM is saying publicly, and publicly it's that they have every intention of keeping him for the long haul. They've not been coy and dancing around the subject, they've been very blunt about their intentions with this.

They may be saying it, they may even believe, it doesn't follow that it's the best move for the organization.

[Flash4thewin]

Wait, why are people thinking that Simmons stock is growing while Brown, Tatum, Lillards etc is tanking? Both are tanking, Simmons is still tanking harder, at least Brown, Tatum, and Lillard still want to play for their Teams. Sixers WANT to unload Ben, Celtics DONT WANT to unload Brown, they have more leverage. Swapping Stars is a pipe dream that Morey is desperately holding onto. Teams are not willing to put themselves in worse situations and go All In because 1 guy still thinks he is the smartest and winningest guy at the Table, while his Poker Chips continue to disappear at a higher rate then the rest. The attitude doesent match the situation, im sorry. Ben is a 4 year, max money, risk, who knows when he will try this stunt again with his new team.

This is missing some simple common sense. Say Brown gets fed up and demands a trade, guess what happens to that leverage? Common sense.

[kj_]

I like it. Teams are becoming desperate, and will become even more desperate as the playoffs near and some are on the cusp.

If that strategy doesn't work, there's always draft day and the off-season.

Ben was hoping to jet outta Philly. That ain't happenin, cuz. You gonna stay till the franchise is the benefactor, not you

Both will likely lose here. Ben loses a season or more. Sixers get less than what they perceive the value to be while losing another year of Embiid’s career.


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[XtremeDunkz]

I like it. Teams are becoming desperate, and will become even more desperate as the playoffs near and some are on the cusp.

If that strategy doesn't work, there's always draft day and the off-season.

Ben was hoping to jet outta Philly. That ain't happenin, cuz. You gonna stay till the franchise is the benefactor, not you

Both will likely lose here. Ben loses a season or more. Sixers get less than what they perceive the value to be while losing another year of Embiid’s career.


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How does waiting affect Embiid? If they take a low ball **** offer then that doesn't help Embiid win a title, correct? So then what's the harm in waiting?

Also **** Simmons. Wish he'd just retire.

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[KnicksGadfly]

I don’t think Simmon’s value is that high, but people have to realize that it only takes one franchise that hasn’t been in the playoffs with one dumb owner and one GM under pressure to get Morey what he wants…

I got my money on Sacramento. LA would have been a candidate too but they’ve made their dumb move for the year already.

[DusterBuster]

The issue with both Beal and Dame is how much do their teams want to keep them at this point?

Especially with Beal. The privilege of signing him to a supermax isn't all that appealing. Even a standard 5 year max is a dicey proposition.

I can only tell you what the Blazers GM is saying publicly, and publicly it's that they have every intention of keeping him for the long haul. They've not been coy and dancing around the subject, they've been very blunt about their intentions with this.

They may be saying it, they may even believe, it doesn't follow that it's the best move for the organization.

That's two different discussions.

Teams regularly don't do what most would assume the "best move" for the organization is. A lot of things come into play there. Ownership may be pushing against trading the star player because it could hurt sales. So yeah, not gonna disagree with you on what the "best move" might be, that's everyones own opinion... I'm just telling you what the team is saying and what all the reports we're hearing from those close to the organization are saying. As of right now, nothing has changed. Dame wants to stay a Blazer and the team wants to keep continuing to build with him. As for Dame, here are quotes directly from him from just today...

“And then the COVID situation kicked in and we was missing eight, nine players or whatever it was. We just out there battling but we was just a beat up team. I was in pain, unhealthy, we’re not winning, most of our team is in COVID protocols, just a tough situation and I was like ‘This just seems like a sign. This seems like the time this is supposed to happen.’”

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“I know (surgery) is ultimately going to be what’s best for the team, too,” said Lillard. “I’d rather be selfish for the team, what I see for our organization and where I want it to go. It makes no sense to keep doing it the way we was doing it. It’s like, alright, take a step back to take how many steps forward. It’s just what had to happen.”

https://www.nba.com/blazers/forwardcenter/after-playing-through-pain-lillard-swallows-his-pride-play-long-game

[DusterBuster]

I don’t think Simmon’s value is that high, but people have to realize that it only takes one franchise that hasn’t been in the playoffs with one dumb owner and one GM under pressure to get Morey what he wants…

I got my money on Sacramento. LA would have been a candidate too but they’ve made their dumb move for the year already.

This is fair that it only takes one desperate team, the issue is most Sixer fans are completely pinpointing the wrong teams they incorrectly think are "desperate" (BOS, WAS, POR).

Kings make sense as one of those teams that could make a desperation trade, I think the problem being that Sacramento doesn't have much Morey is interested in. Morey wants a Top 30 player, a Top 30 player hasn't put on a Kings jersey since the early 2000's. The only way Simmons ends up in Sac is via a 3 team trade.

[DusterBuster]

I like it. Teams are becoming desperate, and will become even more desperate as the playoffs near and some are on the cusp.

If that strategy doesn't work, there's always draft day and the off-season.

Ben was hoping to jet outta Philly. That ain't happenin, cuz. You gonna stay till the franchise is the benefactor, not you

Both will likely lose here. Ben loses a season or more. Sixers get less than what they perceive the value to be while losing another year of Embiid’s career.


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How does waiting affect Embiid? If they take a low ball **** offer then that doesn't help Embiid win a title, correct? So then what's the harm in waiting?

Also **** Simmons. Wish he'd just retire.

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Actually, I wonder why he doesn't just retire and then come back out of retirement this summer? He'd lose his salary, but he's losing it right now anyway, but then at least he'd be a FA and could sign somewhere he wants to play and recoup most of that money lost. Maybe there's some CBA thing I'm missing that prevents that tho.

[realball]

I don’t think Simmon’s value is that high, but people have to realize that it only takes one franchise that hasn’t been in the playoffs with one dumb owner and one GM under pressure to get Morey what he wants…

I got my money on Sacramento. LA would have been a candidate too but they’ve made their dumb move for the year already.

This is fair that it only takes one desperate team, the issue is most Sixer fans are completely pinpointing the wrong teams they incorrectly think are "desperate" (BOS, WAS, POR).

Kings make sense as one of those teams that could make a desperation trade, I think the problem being that Sacramento doesn't have much Morey is interested in. Morey wants a Top 30 player, a Top 30 player hasn't put on a Kings jersey since the early 2000's. The only way Simmons ends up in Sac is via a 3 team trade.

C'mon dude, Cousins wasn't that bad...

But you're right, no one is "desperate" enough to trade their star player for Simmons.

[DusterBuster]

I don’t think Simmon’s value is that high, but people have to realize that it only takes one franchise that hasn’t been in the playoffs with one dumb owner and one GM under pressure to get Morey what he wants…

I got my money on Sacramento. LA would have been a candidate too but they’ve made their dumb move for the year already.

This is fair that it only takes one desperate team, the issue is most Sixer fans are completely pinpointing the wrong teams they incorrectly think are "desperate" (BOS, WAS, POR).

Kings make sense as one of those teams that could make a desperation trade, I think the problem being that Sacramento doesn't have much Morey is interested in. Morey wants a Top 30 player, a Top 30 player hasn't put on a Kings jersey since the early 2000's. The only way Simmons ends up in Sac is via a 3 team trade.

C'mon dude, Cousins wasn't that bad...

But you're right, no one is "desperate" enough to trade their star player for Simmons.

You know what, that's fair, I totally forgot about Cousins. He was Top 30 for awhile, but it doesn't really stick in my mind considering that even when he was in that range, the Kings still stunk.

More on topic though, yeah, that's my biggest gripe with Sixer fans here or anyone that wants to argue that a team will get "desperate" and make a trade for Simmons. It's one thing to be "desperate" to make a big trade, it's another thing to be willing to part with your best (Top 25-30) player. Those aren't things that generally coexist with one another.

Now you want to talk about a team that's been floundering for awhile, they may trade their best player(s), but they won't be top 25-30 guys.

[Flash4thewin]

Both will likely lose here. Ben loses a season or more. Sixers get less than what they perceive the value to be while losing another year of Embiid’s career.


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How does waiting affect Embiid? If they take a low ball **** offer then that doesn't help Embiid win a title, correct? So then what's the harm in waiting?

Also **** Simmons. Wish he'd just retire.

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Actually, I wonder why he doesn't just retire and then come back out of retirement this summer? He'd lose his salary, but he's losing it right now anyway, but then at least he'd be a FA and could sign somewhere he wants to play and recoup most of that money lost. Maybe there's some CBA thing I'm missing that prevents that tho.

76ers keep his rights...

[Bankai]

This is missing some simple common sense. Say Brown gets fed up and demands a trade, guess what happens to that leverage? Common sense.

So Morey has more leverage because other Teams may or may not get desperate and other Stars may or may not want trades, while his guy wants out and refuses to play for you? Their is plenty of things for that have to happen for other Teams to destroy their leverages and value. Its already happening for Morey and the Sixers. This is a pretty transparent bluff, Morey is pulling. Its a little hubris to assume that the Sixers are the ones in cool control and everyone else is running around like scared Ants.

But hey, if I one day banged a model too, then I could be compared to Jay-Z or Drake, they should get rid of their girls now, just in case, that day might happen.

[VDT]

I think too many people in here are looking at this from a perspective of what they would do if they were a GM and not what some of the GMs with losing records right now might do. I don't think Simmons value is as low as some of you think, we're not even 5 yrs removed from Kawhi seemingly having a degenerative quad injury and refusing to return to the Spurs and that still got them an all-star and young player, obviously Simmons isn't Kawhi but he's still viewed as an impact player around the league and if he were as negative an asset as some of you think so many teams wouldn't be kicking the tires right now.

A month from now some of these GMs will be on the hot seat and all it takes is one of them to panic.

No what most people are looking at the situation as what it is, not what Morey and delusional Sixers fans want it to be. Think about it logically as you say, if I’m Boston, Hawks or Wizards and desperate, I’m not trading my best or second best player for someone who I’m going to get for half a season, I don’t know how he will fit into my system and could potentially make my situation worse because now you have to rely on Ben Simmons as your best player.

Now the Kings, Wolves, Trailblazers would be willing to trade Fox, Russell, Mcollum but apparently that’s an insulting offer that offends Morey’s delicate sensibilities.

It’s a different story if you trade for Ben during the offseason when you have the draft, free agency, training camp and preseason to shape your team and implement a system. Morey didn’t want to take the highest offer last offseason and I don’t think the offers get better this offseason.

Comparing this to the Kwahi situation would be like the Spurs expecting Lebron or Durant for injured and disgruntled Kawhi instead of a lesser player and draft assets. Completely illogical and just wishful thinking.

You are missing half of the point. Yes teams would ideally like to get Simmons for some random pieces and a protected pick. But the Sixers would also like to get an upgrade for Simmons. A trade requires two willing part. The Sixers will wait until they find a team that is forced to trade their star, or they might be forced themselve to trade Simmons for wahtever reason. They are not going to willingly take players like CJ, Russell etc unless they get enough picks to trade for a star shortly after.

Morey's plan might fail but i dont get why people here, non SIxers fans, are so fixated with Morey making (and losing) a trade now. Other teams have pressure and are not doing well too but people dont write post after post blaming their GM for not making a bad trade.

[Nate505]

Time for the NBA to step in. They simply can't afford to let both parties troll each other like this. Just trade the damn man. Morey is acting like a jilted lover at this point.

**** that. The 6ers are doing what's best for the league here. If he wants to play, he should like honor the contract that he signed. The one that nobody put a gun to his head and signed.

[Parataxis]

I don’t think Simmon’s value is that high, but people have to realize that it only takes one franchise that hasn’t been in the playoffs with one dumb owner and one GM under pressure to get Morey what he wants…

I got my money on Sacramento. LA would have been a candidate too but they’ve made their dumb move for the year already.

Yeah, but even then. For the price that Morey wants for Simmons, that team with a dumb owner could get a star player who is actually playing basketball.

[TheLand13]

Kawhi played 9 games and reportedly had a degenerative quad and showed a side of himself the public hadn't seen by refusing to play or use the Spurs team doctor. I literally said Ben isn't Kawhi, but he's still viewed as an impact player, hence all these teams interested in trading for him. The price will go up the closer we get to the deadline and someone who could lose their job may pull the trigger on a trade that blows away what some of you are expecting.

Yeah, but not at the price that the Spurs got when they traded away Kawhi. 76ers want more than what the Spurs got for Kawhi **** Leonard. They aren't getting that.

They may get more than that because the Spurs took DeMar just to stay competitive, who knows what else they could have gotten.

Again, that does not apply to this situation. You aren't getting it.

If the roles here were reversed, it'd be a different story. But you are discussing a scenario where you are suggesting that teams are going to cave in and trade away someone who actually has more value than Simmons in an attempt to save their job. No GM would ever do that, especially in a situation where they are in fact fighting to keep their job. Demar wasn't more valuable than Kawhi Leonard by any stretch of the imagination. Almost every NBA fan and media personality considered that trade to be a massive upgrade and steal for the Toronto Raptors (although getting Danny Green in the deal also helped). No one is going to say that about any trade scenario involving Simmons if the team is giving up a top 25 player for him.

[Ballerhogger]

Who going want Ben after this summer that’s not on discount ?