Should we trade FRP for help

[DelAbbot]

Let's take the memes to the TWO thread and stop derailing this thread.

My poll question is not biased so why JN can claim its mocking?

I saw several posters like VanWest posting about trading draft assets this season so I wanted to gauge what the board thought.

Hell no, we’re literally 1 game back from being in the lottery again.

1. Del Abbott mockingly brings up a thread about trading our FRP.
2. Less than 10% of the people approve of trading our 2022 FRP in the poll.
3. 720 mocks the idea of people bringing up the idea of trading our 2022 FRP.
4. Del Abbott likes 720's post.

Very amusing.

DelAbbot is sort of like an AI but it's been programmed to tank, and is now trying to learn to be on team compete, but it doesn't really know how.

[anotherhomer]

Yes, trade 4 FRPs and 4 swaps , no protection for Ben Simmons....game changer

[aligator]

Yes, trade 4 FRPs and 4 swaps , no protection for Ben Simmons....game changer

I hope you are not serious.

[DreamTeam09]

I'd do it for a young player who we feel has potential who still has atleast one more year of control.

We might end up with a pick in the 20-30 range, they're young players available who could be better than anyone who we pick in that range, so immediate help as well as potential future asset. I'm okay

[VanWest82]

I saw several posters like VanWest posting about trading draft assets this season so I wanted to gauge what the board thought.

To clarify, I'm not even sure I want to do that. I posted the Gordon trade in the trade thread to gauge people's interest and then re-posted it here just to see reactions.

Trading a 1st would be contingent on two things: 1. we continue winning up to the trade deadline such that any reasonable scenario of this season continuing to be a developmental year goes out the window; 2. we get a really good player under contract (e.g. Gordon, Sabonis, Collins, etc.) and not just random bench help.

Even with those caveats, I recognize I'm probably still in the minority. But I do think it's worth looking at both sides. We might not be sellers anymore and the only realistic way to use Dragic's contract is by attaching assets to it for trade, otherwise we just lose it for nothing.

[DelAbbot]

I saw several posters like VanWest posting about trading draft assets this season so I wanted to gauge what the board thought.

To clarify, I'm not even sure I want to do that. I posted the Gordon trade in the trade thread to gauge people's interest and then re-posted it here just to see reactions.

Trading a 1st would be contingent on two things: 1. we continue winning up to the trade deadline such that any reasonable scenario of this season continuing to be a developmental year goes out the window; 2. we get a really good player under contract (e.g. Gordon, Sabonis, Collins, etc.) and not just random bench help.

Even with those caveats, I recognize I'm probably still in the minority. But I do think it's worth looking at both sides. We might not be sellers anymore and the only realistic way to use Dragic's contract is by attaching assets to it for trade, otherwise we just lose it for nothing.

I didn't mean to single you out. I also wanted to ask the question myself "if Cam Reddish was available to us for a lottery protected FRP, would we do it?"

[JN]

Fair enough Del. Maybe should have given you the benefit of the doubt. Not looking to start any bitterness with TwO members even if we have philosophical differences.

[VanWest82]

I also wanted to ask the question myself "if Cam Reddish was available to us for a lottery protected FRP, would we do it?"

I wouldn't trade anything for Reddish. He looks like the second coming of Stanley Johnson. Stud athlete but low BBIQ.

[kalel123]

To what end? This team needs more help than what a future FRP can get us in a trade. We aren't close enough to do a trade like this IMO.

[Mattatron]

No. We're still retooling, a FRP is too valuable for us, it's a lottery, we can get a young stud for the rotation that matches our needs (or best player available/sleeper etc) on a rookie contract. +more flexibility salary-wise. There's no need for a move. We're already fighting for a playoffs spot, give them some time and be patient (that's where masai is good at, right?), the bench looks different after this summer.

[everdiso]

If you think the guy is a better future building block than you can likely get with a mid 1st in this draft then sure, make the trade.

[JN]

To what end? This team needs more help than what a future FRP can get us in a trade. We aren't close enough to do a trade like this IMO.

We certainly shouldn't be trading the FRP (even if lottery protected) for a player who is 29 or more and may not even be on our team in a few years. That type of deal may certainly make sense for a top level contender but we are not there.

That being said if we can package the FRP with Dragic and lower tier assets (Flynn / seconds) for a somewhat valuable player that we see as part of our team for 3 years +, it has to at least be considered. Just not sure if that deal is out there or if I will pull the trigger.

The value of Dragic right now is we may not have an expiring that large again over the next 3 years, to pick up another piece of the core

[mdenny]

Only for an allstar player. I definitely wouldnt do it for bench help. An allstar guard? Perhaps. Simmons or beal or someone like that. Which would mean multiple picks rather than just one.

Aside from that (which is a longshot)....i think we'd be better off using the pick itself for bench help. A duarte type pick. A college veteran who can provide something right away.

David thorpe has talked about how teams dont do this often enough. They are intent on going for the homerun all the time.

A guy like Duarte might not hace a high ceiling....but you are STILL getting a great role player for a criminally below-market cap hit for 4 years.

Unless the raps have chosen a few guys that they want to hit a homerun with...i'd like to see them draft someone who, as Thorpe says, "already knows how to play" and can contribute meaningfully at a small cap hit for 4 years.

[planetmars]

I'd prefer to trade a pick over a protected pick. I think protections can hurt more than help as it essentially kills future transactions, depending on how long those picks get conveyed. The longer out, the harder to use other picks in trades.

But I also don't want to trade a potential lottery pick for a slight upgrade in talent. If Tolzman doesn't like this draft, and can't even find a diamond in the rough in the 11-17 range, then deal it.. but I'm sure they already have a list of guys they'd love to work out and talk to already.

[tdotrep2]

keep an eye out for mo bamba

[JN]

I'll throw out another scenario. Obtaining "Player X". I'll define Player X as a decent player (a full MLE type talent) with a contract that ends in 2022/2023 - the contract is just OK or a tad high, but the player would be a clear upgrade to our rotation this year and next.

For that player we give up Dragic, and the filler might only be a few seconds which may come from either side (since we are allowing a team to move an average contract to us and clear cap room in the summer). No first round picks are involved.

Getting Player X means we probably can't use an MLE next year to upgrade our team as it may put us under the tax line. But that "Player X" becomes defacto your MLE type player to help this year and next.

I would need to research who that Player X could be. But anybody think such a deal makes sense in concept, and if so any players that may fit?

[KL78192020]

We have less than 1 month before trading deadline Feb 10, 2022. Should we be trading any FRP for help? Help here means acquiring a player for this season.

FRP = First Round Pick

The time to win is now! We have a championship core in FVV/Siakam/OG and winning DNA. I'd say trade 3 future picks ands swaps to get someone like Beal!

[Indeed]

On the buyer vs seller thread, I asked many times, how many minutes would the player plays if we are giving up a first round pick?

Is it worth it if we trade our 15th man for 10th man, where he just sit on the bench for most of the play-in / playoff games? You probably know better than me that it will be 8-man rotation in the critical games, and our top 8-man based on everyone is healthy are:
Siakam-Barnes-OG-Trent-VanVleet - Birch-Boucher-Achiuwa. Mykhailiuk and Watanabe are only getting minutes in garbage time or injury replacement (they got DNP during previous games).

If this is an upgrade to Birch and the bigger C will play 20 mins, I think that is reasonable.
If this is an upgrade to Boucher and the bigger PG will play 20 mins + resting VanVleet, I think that is reasonable.

[anotherhomer]

Yes, trade 4 FRPs and 4 swaps , no protection for Ben Simmons....game changer

I hope you are not serious.

Ofc, we complete our longboi strategs

[Johnny Bball]

Trading a first round pick a few years out is not out of the question if it improves the team moving forward. Thinking that trading picks should be 100% off the table is the only limited thinking in here.

Of course the are some people that can’t grasp that a trade like that can be forward looking and presume it always to be about now, but they’re often wrong.