[Woj] Reddish traded to Knicks

[MeloNY]

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[alevirfe]

Knicks are still loaded with picks and youth. No way there ain’t no other moves. I can see the Knicks trade for Brunson or a big time move now. Can’t keep all of

RJ Barrett
Cam Reddish
Obi Toppin
Mitchell Robinson
Quentin Grimes
Miles McBride
Jherico Sims

7 really damn **** exciting players

Im personally not really high on any of the Knicks young players. RJ & Cam are easily at the top & have a long way to go. I think Obi will be out of the league sooner than most think, and while I'm actually a big fan of Robinson, the "new" game has played him off of the floor

Knicks have an interesting mix of young players & guys in their prime. they could pivot and rebuild, or go all-in on the playoffs. I wonder if the start to lean more heavily in either direction and what that means for a guy like Randle who many teams would be interested in (but unfortunately has hurt his value this season)

[geminiz]

In the few Knicks games I've watched, Knox has been awful and lacks confidence. Hopefully he can turn things around as he's still young, but I'm skeptical.

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[PhilBlackson]

Like I said earlier in this thread, the Knicks actually have a competent coach. The thing that killed that Duke team was having an incompetent coach.

Yeah, ok. I'm sure the results will be much different in the NBA.

I didnt say that. Im saying that Duke team failed because of not having a competent coach. That trio (foursome because of Tre Jones) had a massive talent advantage against every other college team. A Zion/RJ/Cam trio would not have a massive talent advantage over NBA teams. All Im saying is that trio would be apart of a better coached team because they're being coached by Thibs instead of K.

Not to mention none of them were fully developed players and so based on a single year playing together it's grounds to know that it will never work?! Lol Heat should've blown it up after that L to DAL.

Not saying they would win it all in their primes together (if Zion can even make it that far) but to write it off based on a single year in a college which is also a Do or Die Tournament and not a 7 game series is a joke.

[BostonCouchGM]

They already don't play the young guys they have, not sure why they're acquiring more. They have the absolute worst HC for this. They are a poorly run team that can't make up its mind to embrace the tank with a HC who wants to win. Getting more young players when they have a plethora already is moronic. The only way this makes sense is if they have a major consolidation trade in the works that will either get rid of a bunch of those worthy young players or that is trading vets to free up minutes for them. Guess we'll see.

[Jose7]

ridiculous steal for the Knicks... y'all kidding yourselves if you think otherwise..

literally a year and a half of Cam on his Rookie deal to add him to the fold of solid young talent and a solid coaching staff.

They were literally playing Solomon Hill and TLC over Cam... silly shyt.

[Jose7]

And FWIW i literally hate mostly every deal the Knicks make.

[GeorgeSears]

It's a good move for the Hawks. The way people talk about Barrett and Reddish it's as if they're on the cusp of being all-stars when the reality couldn't more different. 3 years into a player's career, you know who he's going to be. They've been in the league for 3 years, haven't made a dent. Barrett is a PF in a SG's body who can only give you 15 ppg on poor shooting splits and nothing else. Reddish avg. less points but is a better FT shooter.

More than likely, Reddish was going to demand the kind of price tag the Hawks weren't willing to commit to.

This is objectively false. There are plenty of players who took time, years, to become the player they ended up becoming. And they haven't been in the league for three years, this is their third year (I know what you're trying to say, but they've barely played over 100 NBA games). Two plus years, and RJ has shown growth every year. RJ is just 21. Reddish is 22. RJ has also been fantastic since returning from COVID, a much different player than he was before. He's probably going to finish the season as an above average three point shooter by percentage, just as he was last year. He's also a good defender (as we saw last night). Also, the Knicks aren't forced to pay Reddish. They gave up a middling pick and a player who never saw the court for a player who has shown flashes this year. It's clearly a good trade for the Knicks. The team also has an extra Dallas 2023 pick so it's not like they gave up a pick they couldn't afford.

It's about the trends. I should've added a caveat* 3 years into a player's career, you know who he's going to be if that player has been a starter for those 3 years.

There were instances of players who received little playing time, or were coming off the bench and then got traded to teams or signed with teams, their minutes increased and they had productive careers. But anyone looking at the advanced numbers could've predicted that.

Reddish and Barrett's advanced numbers suggest that they're not going to be anything special and will likely never make an all-star team. With Barrett, he's been a starter every game of his career. You're supposed to see improvement by now, but instead it's stagnation.

[bstein14]

Hmmm. This smells of “let’s go all out for Zion”

In all honesty this move probably hurts their chance of getting Zion more than it does help it.

I dont think they needed to add Cam to try and convince Zion to come play in NY. RJ was the guy Zion was very close to while at Duke. If anything all this does is take away a possible 1st round pick to trade for Zion.

Maybe, but the Knicks have all their own future firsts as well as a 2023 future first from the Mavs. So they could do something like this which should be more than enough.

2022 Knicks 1st
2023 Pick Swap
2023 Dallas 1st
2024 Knicks 1st
2025 Pick Swap
2026 Knicks 1st
Julius Randle

for
Zion Williamson + Salary Filler

[Oscirus]

why are people talking about that non-lotto first as if its an asset? Im sure moreys mouth was watering at the thougt of getting that pick

[Bulliever2020]

Yeah, ok. I'm sure the results will be much different in the NBA.

I didnt say that. Im saying that Duke team failed because of not having a competent coach. That trio (foursome because of Tre Jones) had a massive talent advantage against every other college team. A Zion/RJ/Cam trio would not have a massive talent advantage over NBA teams. All Im saying is that trio would be apart of a better coached team because they're being coached by Thibs instead of K.

Not to mention none of them were fully developed players and so based on a single year playing together it's grounds to know that it will never work?! Lol Heat should've blown it up after that L to DAL.

Not saying they would win it all in their primes together (if Zion can even make it that far) but to write it off based on a single year in a college which is also a Do or Die Tournament and not a 7 game series is a joke.

It's ironic that you mention a joke in your post but it completely wooooooshed right by you that my original statement was a joke.

[DroseReturnChi]

this is so stupid. obviously zion is going to join soon and form a duke big 3.

[Pharmcat]

great trade for Knicks, rare W for them

[KnIcKsYaNkSmEtS1127]

Knox was terrible. Happy to see him gone.

I was so wrong on Knox...I really liked his game coming out of college and thought he was going to be a better pro.

He’s a decent player if your team is good at only winning 15 games. Once the Knicks got serious his role was done. Gave him chances to take the next step but literally couldn’t hit open jump shots, can’t rebound, can’t pass and certainly can’t play any defense.

[Chanel Bomber]

If the Hawks are trying to get better I don't understand why they traded Reddish for a worse player and a pick that might never convert.

Addition by subtraction.

[DaPessimist]

Knicks gonna give Reddish a big contract in the off-season?

I wouldn't.

[basketballRob]

Cam is from New York, he was teammates with Bamba is HS

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[DroseReturnChi]

If the Hawks are trying to get better I don't understand why they traded Reddish for a worse player and a pick that might never convert.

why did bulls trade lauri for bunch of garbage? the answer lies on players contract status and age. hawks dont want tax.

[Rockazoids]

They already don't play the young guys they have, not sure why they're acquiring more. They have the absolute worst HC for this. They are a poorly run team that can't make up its mind to embrace the tank with a HC who wants to win. Getting more young players when they have a plethora already is moronic. The only way this makes sense is if they have a major consolidation trade in the works that will either get rid of a bunch of those worthy young players or that is trading vets to free up minutes for them. Guess we'll see.

Reddish is only a year younger than Knox & it gives them a year and a haft to take a look. As far as playing young guys they
play Toppin 23, Robinson 23, Quickley 22, Barrett 21, and Grimes 21.

[shangrila]

Obviously a great trade for New York. Low/no risk, high reward.

And realistically, it's not a horrible trade for Atlanta. It is highly amusing having to watch certain Hawks fans eat humble pie by the shovel though.