Shams: Pacers Moving toward Rebuild; Receptive to Trade Talks

[Tom White]

....giving up them a Myles Turner while taking nothing of value off the court?

That part, right there, speaks volumes. Is that really where Turner is at now? I know he has been upset about not being on the court at the end of games (like the recent Boston game), but when you look at how he has been bobbling passes and that sort of thing it might have been more of a risk to have him on the floor.

Is he putting too much pressure on himself, resulting in more mistakes and poorer shooting? I'm just not sure at this point.

[Scoot McGroot]

....giving up them a Myles Turner while taking nothing of value off the court?

That part, right there, speaks volumes. Is that really where Turner is at now? I know he has been upset about not being on the court at the end of games (like the recent Boston game), but when you look at how he has been bobbling passes and that sort of thing it might have been more of a risk to have him on the floor.

Is he putting too much pressure on himself, resulting in more mistakes and poorer shooting? I'm just not sure at this point.

Oh, no. I meant, if we trade Myles for useless expirings and a pick, we will have taken nothing of on court value off the other team. Like, if we traded Turner for Dragic and a 1st, Dragic hasn’t played at all for Toronto, so they’d be able to add Turner while losing no one that has played for them this year. Make sense?


I think losing Turner will hurt, but it will also clear up the on court assignments and fits.

[Tom White]

Oh, no. I meant, if we trade Myles for useless expirings and a pick, we will have taken nothing of on court value off the other team. Like, if we traded Turner for Dragic and a 1st, Dragic hasn’t played at all for Toronto, so they’d be able to add Turner while losing no one that has played for them this year. Make sense?


I think losing Turner will hurt, but it will also clear up the on court assignments and fits.

Got it. Still, if the coach feels like he can't play Turner in crunch time, how useful is he? Something needs to give this year by the trade deadline.

[Scoot McGroot]

Oh, no. I meant, if we trade Myles for useless expirings and a pick, we will have taken nothing of on court value off the other team. Like, if we traded Turner for Dragic and a 1st, Dragic hasn’t played at all for Toronto, so they’d be able to add Turner while losing no one that has played for them this year. Make sense?


I think losing Turner will hurt, but it will also clear up the on court assignments and fits.

Got it. Still, if the coach feels like he can't play Turner in crunch time, how useful is he? Something needs to give this year by the trade deadline.

Turner hasn't been played in crunch time since the O'Brien years, really. Or at least, he's basically only played situationally when there's defense/offense substitutions, or he was particularly hot that game. He's been of use for all those years, though. End game is just different from the rest of the game, much like playoffs are different from the regular season.

To be clear, I'm of the opinion that something needs to give this year, too, and that it's somewhat likely that Turner gets dealt at the deadline, if not also Levert.

[Scoot McGroot]

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[basketballwacko2]

What I'd like to know is who's bright idea was it to get involved in the Harden trade and take levert for Victor? That deal stinks worse now than when they did it. Should have been voided as soon as the found out he had that kidney issue. LeVert is garbage and we're gonna end up stuck with him because of his final year salary. I can't see a single place to move him without paying.

[Scoot McGroot]

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If you’re a Jake Fischer believer……

Myles Turner appears the likeliest Indiana player to be traded before the deadline, with a list of suitors that includes Dallas, Minnesota, New York, Sacramento, Charlotte and Portland. Toronto was also mentioned by several league personnel as a team to keep an eye on for Turner's services. The Pacers' asking price is said to include multiple first-round picks.

Caris LeVert has known suitors in Cleveland and New York, but so far Indiana has requested multiple first-round picks for the 27-year-old guard as well, sources said. The Pacers have also placed calls assessing the value of Justin Holiday, Jeremy Lamb and Torrey Craig.
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Rick Carlisle was known as Finney-Smith's biggest advocate in Dallas, sources said, and Indiana has been mentioned as a potential destination.

Also Mentions LA’s best package as not enough for Turner (or Grant out of Detroit).

[Scoot McGroot]

This was interesting.

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[Wizop]

The Pacers' asking price is said to include multiple first-round pick

That would be a major philosophical change.

[Scoot McGroot]

The Pacers' asking price is said to include multiple first-round pick

That would be a major philosophical change.

Yup. Could also mean player value equivalent, too.

[Scoot McGroot]

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[Scoot McGroot]

From the Reddish to the IKnicks:

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[Topofthekey]

Was there any reason for Pacers to extend Brogdon when they did? As opposed to waiting till after the trade deadline

[Wizop]

Was there any reason for Pacers to extend Brogdon when they did? As opposed to waiting till after the trade deadline

Yes, the extension had to be signed after June 30 and before the first day of the season.

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q58

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[Topofthekey]

Was there any reason for Pacers to extend Brogdon when they did? As opposed to waiting till after the trade deadline

Yes, the extension had to be signed after June 30 and before the first day of the season.

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q58

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Can they not wait till June 30 2022?

[Wizop]

Was there any reason for Pacers to extend Brogdon when they did? As opposed to waiting till after the trade deadline

Yes, the extension had to be signed after June 30 and before the first day of the season.

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q58

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Can they not wait till June 30 2022?

I think the number of years left affects what you can do, but the short answer is they wanted to lock him up at a reasonable price and had no desire to trade him.

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[Scoot McGroot]

Was there any reason for Pacers to extend Brogdon when they did? As opposed to waiting till after the trade deadline

Yes, the extension had to be signed after June 30 and before the first day of the season.

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q58

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Can they not wait till June 30 2022?

They could have waited until the next offseason. But, valuations change after seasons played. And they Locked him in for 2 more years without a raise. I think they saw a number that was really affordable, and they jumped at it.

Plus, we likely weren’t going to deal both Levert and Brogdon in the season, so we locked one up. Much like we’re not likely to trade both Turner and Sabonis, but just one or the other.

[8305]

I get extending Brogdan. He’s been a good player for us. He will fetch significantly more in trade this summer than we would get for him now un-extended. With that in mind next time he suffers one of those nagging injuries he’s prone to I’d say shut him down. Make sure he’s not rehabbing from something more serious this summer.

[Pacers Forever]

I don’t know what Eric Gordon’s cost would be to the Pacers but he would partly fill the 3 point shooting void the Pacers have. I wasn’t in favor of trading for him, but the Pacers have got to get 3 point shooters instead of Myles and Domas. I’m sick of seeing them behind the arc. I’m not sure if they can even squeeze him in ? LeVert or Lamb would have to go to reduce the guard logjam. Holiday is the closest thing we have to a 3 point threat and he’s not consistent.

[Scoot McGroot]

I don’t know what Eric Gordon’s cost would be to the Pacers but he would partly fill the 3 point shooting void the Pacers have. I wasn’t in favor of trading for him, but the Pacers have got to get 3 point shooters instead of Myles and Domas. I’m sick of seeing them behind the arc. I’m not sure if they can even squeeze him in ? LeVert or Lamb would have to go to reduce the guard logjam. Holiday is the closest thing we have to a 3 point threat and he’s not consistent.

We’d probably have to move Levert’s multi year salary in a deal for him, and Houston already made it clear they had no interest in Levert, which is how we got him to begin with.