Official Fire Nash thread - Part II

Prokorov · Post #42 » by **Prokorov** » Fri Jan 14, 2022 5:37 am

This dogturd coach needs to go. another glaring example tonight. He can watch 3 elite stars be great, but he cant coach his way out of a wet paper bag.

You want to say a loss to OKC at home with key guys resting is acceptable. fine. What is not acceptable is giving up 130 points to the worst offensive team in the league. ESPECIALLY when we have all our defenders in tonight

Pablo Escobar · Post #43 » by **Pablo Escobar** » Sat Jan 15, 2022 6:02 am

Prokorov wrote:This dogturd coach needs to go. another glaring example tonight. He can watch 3 elite stars be great, but he cant coach his way out of a wet paper bag.

You want to say a loss to OKC at home with key guys resting is acceptable. fine. What is not acceptable is giving up 130 points to the worst offensive team in the league. ESPECIALLY when we have all our defenders in tonight

Nash isn't the best coach around. But what defenders do you speak of? :lol:

only ones that are good are Kd, Claxton and Brown somewhat. The team is all in on the big 3 with shooters around them. And the goal is to just overwhelm teams with their offense to make up for the average to below average defense. You have no rim protection and will struggle defending on the perimeter as well. Now let's put the blame on the players! Harden has been at a borderline allstar level this year which is quite the decline from his usual superstar output, Kyrie is a conspiracy nut who won't return unless the mandate is gone (so much for caring about his bros) only one who has been balling all year is Kd. And coming off of a major injury he shouldn't be playing close to 40mpg.

Nash sucks as a coach but it's not like the players have been holding up their end of the bargain either. Harden needs to play better because unless they move Kyrie, him and Kd are going to be the main duo which will do the heavy lifting come the playoffs.

Prokorov · Post #44 » by **Prokorov** » Mon Jan 17, 2022 4:25 am

Pablo Escobar wrote:
Prokorov wrote:This dogturd coach needs to go. another glaring example tonight. He can watch 3 elite stars be great, but he cant coach his way out of a wet paper bag.

You want to say a loss to OKC at home with key guys resting is acceptable. fine. What is not acceptable is giving up 130 points to the worst offensive team in the league. ESPECIALLY when we have all our defenders in tonight

Nash isn't the best coach around. But what defenders do you speak of? only ones that are good are Kd, Claxton and Brown somewhat. The team is all in on the big 3 with shooters around them. And the goal is to just overwhelm teams with their offense to make up for the average to below average defense. You have no rim protection and will struggle defending on the perimeter as well. Now let's put the blame on the players! Harden has been at a borderline allstar level this year which is quite the decline from his usual superstar output, Kyrie is a conspiracy nut who won't return unless the mandate is gone (so much for caring about his bros) only one who has been balling all year is Kd. And coming off of a major injury he shouldn't be playing close to 40mpg.

Nash sucks as a coach but it's not like the players have been holding up their end of the bargain either. Harden needs to play better because unless they move Kyrie, him and Kd are going to be the main duo which will do the heavy lifting come the playoffs.

Bembry, Johnson, etc...

Harden has been all-nba calibur this year. he has not been close to an issue. players other then some 3rd string like milsap and carter have all played outstanding.

Nash has had top 5 talent this year even considering joe/kyrie being out. and all his players who have been available have played well and even some rookies chipping in. He has insane depth all over, veters, and multiple top 10 players.

It is the worst coaching performance in team history. and #2 isnt close. It is a complete embarrassment. players have been elite. Nash has been god awful

Prokorov · Post #45 » by **Prokorov** » Thu Feb 3, 2022 5:39 am

I've been saying it for 2 years. Nash has to go.... and Marks if he doesnt right the ship needs to go with him.

LOUiS-D · Post #46 » by **LOUiS-D** » Thu Feb 3, 2022 6:44 am

We are eating so many s*** sandwiches around the league because of this guy. Our stars are constantly gassed or injured. The preparation and adjustments just aren't there. It took a while for me to come around, but I'm all the way done with Nash.

This is officially depressing.

MrDollarBills · Post #47 » by **MrDollarBills** » Thu Feb 3, 2022 12:32 pm

Marks needs to be fired as well. I'm absolutely sick right now.

Post #48 » by **CalamityX12** » Thu Feb 3, 2022 3:24 pm

LOUiS-D wrote:We are eating so many s*** sandwiches around the league because of this guy. Our stars are constantly gassed or injured. The preparation and adjustments just aren't there. It took a while for me to come around, but I'm all the way done with Nash.

This is officially depressing.

There's plenty of room here... come, join us. We have donuts and bagels with water n oj in the back

MGrand15 · Post #49 » by **MGrand15** » Thu Feb 3, 2022 10:00 pm

Nash is a huge problem but I think the problems are bigger than him.

The organization lost its way. The Nash hiring is a perfect example. Instead of going for the best coach possible - we went for someone who we hoped Kyrie and KD would respect. We went for someone that could manage egos. We have so much talent that it damn near worked. The problem is - we saw this with Kenny - it doesn't matter if you're fully healthy or not - losses take an emotional toll on the team. We can't expect the big 3 to play 82 games. So that means you actually need a good coach.

We also seemingly just abandoned our analytics and performance team stuff. Remember when our team was incredibly careful on back to backs? How many minute restrictions were put in place? Now we play the stars until they drop. Makes no sense. We were careful when we had no playoffs to look forward to. Now we have a bigger goal and KD can't play less than 36 MPG? Harden is playing 40 minutes on road back to backs. Nash is part of that but that's all organization stuff.

Jay555 · Post #50 » by **Jay555** » Thu Feb 3, 2022 10:39 pm

MGrand15 wrote:Nash is a huge problem but I think the problems are bigger than him.

The organization lost its way. The Nash hiring is a perfect example. Instead of going for the best coach possible - we went for someone who we hoped Kyrie and KD would respect. We went for someone that could manage egos. We have so much talent that it damn near worked. The problem is - we saw this with Kenny - it doesn't matter if you're fully healthy or not - losses take an emotional toll on the team. We can't expect the big 3 to play 82 games. So that means you actually need a good coach.

We also seemingly just abandoned our analytics and performance team stuff. Remember when our team was incredibly careful on back to backs? How many minute restrictions were put in place? Now we play the stars until they drop. Makes no sense. We were careful when we had no playoffs to look forward to. Now we have a bigger goal and KD can't play less than 36 MPG? Harden is playing 40 minutes on road back to backs. Nash is part of that but that's all organization stuff.

I have been saying it's not sustainable to have Harden & KD play heavy mins consistently and that it would lead to injuries down the road.

But I guess from the organisaton/Nash's perspetcive, there is this thing called "pressure".

When we were not winning, there was no pressure to do anything and the expectations were lower.

When we have the big 3, the expectations are that we would rank higher in the seeding and ultimately win a championship. It's considered a failure if we donot. Kyrie being part time certainly does not help. He surely could have shared the burdens and therefore helped reduce KD & Harden average mins.

But it's what it is. I hope we keep losing so the pressure will sky rocket which means changes are imminent.

LOUiS-D · Post #51 » by **LOUiS-D** » Fri Feb 4, 2022 1:18 am

When we have this much firepower we should have less pressure to win in the regular season. "The choice is play KD heavy minutes or lose more"... yeah numb nuts.. lose more. KD, Harden and Kai shouldn't be anywhere near the top of minutes played per game.

therealbig3 · Post #52 » by **therealbig3** » Fri Feb 4, 2022 1:24 am

Kyrie Irving and James Harden are literally sabotaging the season, and somehow it’s all Nash’s fault.

Harden with the epic 4 point performance can just skate on by, cuz he has the ultimate scapegoat in Nash to hide behind. Same with Kyrie.

TheNetsFan · Post #53 » by **TheNetsFan** » Fri Feb 4, 2022 1:37 am

Whether you liked Atkinson or not, you all know he would have had the stones to bench and rip into Harden during a performance like last night. It's unbelievable that Nash left him out there. Make up an injury excuse if you want him to save face, but get him out.

ecuhus1981 · Post #54 » by **ecuhus1981** » Fri Feb 4, 2022 8:45 am

therealbig3 wrote:Kyrie Irving and James Harden are literally sabotaging the season, and somehow it’s all Nash’s fault.

Harden with the epic 4 point performance can just skate on by, cuz he has the ultimate scapegoat in Nash to hide behind. Same with Kyrie.

Kyrie is sabotaging is with his absence, but his presence doesn't sabotage us. The problem there is that he's never been a floor raiser, only a ceiling raiser. He can't help a struggling team from being as bad with him as without him. BUT, he can make an already great team greater.

I give Harden a partial pass because he's clearly playing through significant injury. His lack of effort IMO has to do with not wanting to make a sudden movement and suffer a setback to either his hamstring or his hand. His expression seems to be that he's really, really frustrated at how these injuries are limiting his effectiveness. He shouldn't be playing in back to backs, at any point the rest of the season. His shooting splits after 1 day of rest versus no days of rest tell the entire story.

I have no such pass for Nash. He needs to be better, he needs to implement better strategy, and adjust those strategies as the situation demands over the course of a game.

MrDollarBills · Post #55 » by **MrDollarBills** » Fri Feb 4, 2022 12:34 pm

therealbig3 wrote:Kyrie Irving and James Harden are literally sabotaging the season, and somehow it’s all Nash’s fault.

Harden with the epic 4 point performance can just skate on by, cuz he has the ultimate scapegoat in Nash to hide behind. Same with Kyrie.

All three of them are apart of the problem.

Kyrie started this sh*t show and I guess Harden is going to end it.

MrDollarBills · Post #56 » by **MrDollarBills** » Fri Feb 4, 2022 12:41 pm

MGrand15 wrote:Nash is a huge problem but I think the problems are bigger than him.

The organization lost its way. The Nash hiring is a perfect example. Instead of going for the best coach possible - we went for someone who we hoped Kyrie and KD would respect. We went for someone that could manage egos. We have so much talent that it damn near worked. The problem is - we saw this with Kenny - it doesn't matter if you're fully healthy or not - losses take an emotional toll on the team. We can't expect the big 3 to play 82 games. So that means you actually need a good coach.

We also seemingly just abandoned our analytics and performance team stuff. Remember when our team was incredibly careful on back to backs? How many minute restrictions were put in place? Now we play the stars until they drop. Makes no sense. We were careful when we had no playoffs to look forward to. Now we have a bigger goal and KD can't play less than 36 MPG? Harden is playing 40 minutes on road back to backs. Nash is part of that but that's all organization stuff.

Spot on.

Sean Marks owns all of this. Hiring Nash was a disastrous blunder. But everything that made the Nets work leading up to the signing of KD and Kyrie has been thrown out the window.

Durant being so beholden to Kyrie is also a serious problem that no one wants to talk about. I'm pretty sure Joe Tsai wants to throw Kyrie out the door head first but KD is the one stopping that.

Friendship and business do not mix. For a guy as smart as Durant is, who is making millions off the court with his investments, you would think he'd understand that.

TheNetsFan · Post #57 » by **TheNetsFan** » Fri Feb 4, 2022 1:32 pm

MrDollarBills wrote:
MGrand15 wrote:Nash is a huge problem but I think the problems are bigger than him.

The organization lost its way. The Nash hiring is a perfect example. Instead of going for the best coach possible - we went for someone who we hoped Kyrie and KD would respect. We went for someone that could manage egos. We have so much talent that it damn near worked. The problem is - we saw this with Kenny - it doesn't matter if you're fully healthy or not - losses take an emotional toll on the team. We can't expect the big 3 to play 82 games. So that means you actually need a good coach.

We also seemingly just abandoned our analytics and performance team stuff. Remember when our team was incredibly careful on back to backs? How many minute restrictions were put in place? Now we play the stars until they drop. Makes no sense. We were careful when we had no playoffs to look forward to. Now we have a bigger goal and KD can't play less than 36 MPG? Harden is playing 40 minutes on road back to backs. Nash is part of that but that's all organization stuff.

Spot on.

Sean Marks owns all of this. Hiring Nash was a disastrous blunder. But everything that made the Nets work leading up to the signing of KD and Kyrie has been thrown out the window.

Durant being so beholden to Kyrie is also a serious problem that no one wants to talk about. I'm pretty sure Joe Tsai wants to throw Kyrie out the door head first but KD is the one stopping that.

Friendship and business do not mix. For a guy as smart as Durant is, who is making millions off the court with his investments, you would think he'd understand that.

Durant has an enormous amount of self confidence. I believe the he believes he can carry anybody to a title. In his defense, he almost did last year. When you have that level of confidence, why not do it with your friends.

MGrand15 · Post #58 » by **MGrand15** » Fri Feb 4, 2022 2:40 pm

LOUiS-D wrote:When we have this much firepower we should have less pressure to win in the regular season. "The choice is play KD heavy minutes or lose more"... yeah numb nuts.. lose more. KD, Harden and Kai shouldn't be anywhere near the top of minutes played per game.

Exactly.

You know how much better everyone would feel if we were underperforming in the standings but the big 3 was rested?

When you have this much talent, health should be the number 1 priority. Not beating the Pistons on a Wednesday in December. Not to mention - we've seen it over and over again with teams like the Warriors, Raptors, Spurs and Bucks. You force the bench to hold their own, they develop, and get ready for big playoff moments. Instead the message is 'hey bench, you guys suck SO much, I need to risk injury to our biggest stars to even have a chance to win.'

Prokorov · Post #59 » by **Prokorov** » Fri Feb 4, 2022 4:35 pm

MrDollarBills wrote:
MGrand15 wrote:Nash is a huge problem but I think the problems are bigger than him.

The organization lost its way. The Nash hiring is a perfect example. Instead of going for the best coach possible - we went for someone who we hoped Kyrie and KD would respect. We went for someone that could manage egos. We have so much talent that it damn near worked. The problem is - we saw this with Kenny - it doesn't matter if you're fully healthy or not - losses take an emotional toll on the team. We can't expect the big 3 to play 82 games. So that means you actually need a good coach.

We also seemingly just abandoned our analytics and performance team stuff. Remember when our team was incredibly careful on back to backs? How many minute restrictions were put in place? Now we play the stars until they drop. Makes no sense. We were careful when we had no playoffs to look forward to. Now we have a bigger goal and KD can't play less than 36 MPG? Harden is playing 40 minutes on road back to backs. Nash is part of that but that's all organization stuff.

Spot on.

Sean Marks owns all of this. Hiring Nash was a disastrous blunder. But everything that made the Nets work leading up to the signing of KD and Kyrie has been thrown out the window.

Durant being so beholden to Kyrie is also a serious problem that no one wants to talk about. I'm pretty sure Joe Tsai wants to throw Kyrie out the door head first but KD is the one stopping that.

Friendship and business do not mix. For a guy as smart as Durant is, who is making millions off the court with his investments, you would think he'd understand that.

Both Tsais said they support kyrie and have "All the patience"

Every teammate is ok with it, not just KD. this is per KD on his podcast

Same for nash

same for marks

the idea everyone wants him gone but KD is in the way is absurd

Prokorov · Post #60 » by **Prokorov** » Fri Feb 4, 2022 4:36 pm

TheNetsFan wrote:Whether you liked Atkinson or not, you all know he would have had the stones to bench and rip into Harden during a performance like last night. It's unbelievable that Nash left him out there. Make up an injury excuse if you want him to save face, but get him out.

Atkinson wouldnt have played him. He would have had him rest. Harden clearly isnt right with his hand/hammy and was gassed. I know Harden is a step slow this year but vs the kings it was 10 steps.

Atkinson would have sat harden, played youth, and won by 15.