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Re: Knicks Get Reddish per Woj 

Post#1161 » by Deeeez Knicks » Fri Jan 14, 2022 4:59 am

thebuzzardman wrote:Last thought.

These players - all of them. Ja, RJ, Reddish etc, are getting drafted at 19 or a young 20. That's really f*cking young.

This is the debate over how much is there from the jump, and how much do players have to develop, either on their own, or in combination with the team.

I'm leaning that in the NBA, players either establish themselves early most of the time, or they don't.

Yet RJ has taken what is clearly a steady developmental uptick.
Ja was dynamic right away.

Maybe with Cam there is more to develop. I mean, players used to have to stay in college until age 22 and then it took until after their rookie year, and age 23, to start to put it together.

Again, it would be great for it work out.
Didn't with Mudiay or Mario, maybe 3rd time is the charm.

I know the Knick want to win and in spite of how Burks annoys some, he's pretty valuable in certain ways, to the team.

That said, Knicks need to get rid of at least Burks to ensure Reddish gets enough playing time, now that they've decided to use a #1 pick and a roster spot on him for this year and next year.


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Re: Knicks Get Reddish per Woj 

Post#1162 » by bearadonisdna » Fri Jan 14, 2022 5:02 am

Where will get chances to handle the ball ?
As a backup SG and as a backup SF

We might have eliminated the need for traditional pointguard especially if RjB is flourishing in leading role. Having a stable of ball handling wings may be help what is a top 5 defense in the same metrics that had us 1st last year. Maybe Cam even starts ? His numbers are good as a starter
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5. Center
4. Randle -35| Obi-13
3. Fournier -35 | Cam -13

1. Rjb -35 | Quickly-13
2. Burks -35 | Cam-13




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Cam starting rotation :
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4. Randle -35 | Obi-13
3. Fournier -35 | Burks-13

1. RJB-35 | Quickly-13
2. Cam -35 | Burks -13

Next up would be kemba and Noel for Turner .
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Re: Knicks Get Reddish per Woj 

Post#1163 » by KnixtapeH20 » Fri Jan 14, 2022 5:03 am

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Randle for fox makes toooooo much sense!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Fox is better but RJ and Fox is basically the same.

At least we get rid of Randle and RJ fully has the keys to mold this team into his baby. Got his homeboy with him and young hungry blood ready to go to war for him.

Get rid of Randle, Burks, Noel, Fournier and let's **** do this.
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Post#1164 » by F N 11 » Fri Jan 14, 2022 5:04 am

HarthorneWingo wrote:I just heard we got a 2nd round pick in the deal too. Is this true? What year?


2025, the fact that we got a 2nd is ridiculous.
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Post#1165 » by Ray Williams » Fri Jan 14, 2022 5:12 am

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ibraheim718 wrote:Knicks fans are too easy to please. Any trade any draft pick and it's full blown green arrow level of enthusiasm. You people have no phucking standards.

That owner for the Giants gets it. They have standards. If they're not met everyone can GTFO.

Knicks fans.. any trade will satisfy us daddy Dolan.
True. I'm not excited about Reddish at all.

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Post#1166 » by DaGawd » Fri Jan 14, 2022 5:17 am

evevale wrote:kinda impressed by the people who think we're not going to risk pissing cam off when our lotto pick is playing 9 minutes and has forgotten what happiness is

Sucks for Obi that he’s playing behind the guy who is/was our best player and is a vet.. there’s really no reason Cam won’t play since Thibs apparently is a fan and wanted him here
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Post#1167 » by prophet_of_rage » Fri Jan 14, 2022 5:20 am

thebuzzardman wrote:Let's pretend for a bit.

Knicks get Zion and reproduce the Duke trio.

Assume Randle goes out in the trade. That's it. Obviously it will take a lot more.
But

Leave yourself some role players.
Part of this is you get to debate if RJ continues to improve, or doesn't, or fixes certain flaws or doesn't.
Same for Cam
For the sake of sanity, Zion is the best possible version seen in the short time he's been healthy.

Oh. And all 3 have to start.
Can you build a deep playoff team with two realistic additions etc at C/PF (depending on how you want to use Zion) and PG?

Which handful of young Knicks would you retain to fill out the bench or even start?

What is their ceiling?
Same as at Duke. You don't go deep because Zion still has no jumpshot can't defend and isn't a great rebounder. But he also takes up all the space inside.

It isn't a good mix.

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Post#1168 » by F N 11 » Fri Jan 14, 2022 5:23 am

Hawks : We want Grimes and a first
Leon: We will give you Kevin Knox. We will add the first as a sweetener but you gotta give us a second.
Hawks: A second why? We are giving up the asset
Leon:….
Hawks:….
Leon: Good luck getting a 1st
Hawks: Ok deal
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Post#1169 » by prophet_of_rage » Fri Jan 14, 2022 5:26 am

blueNorange wrote:i’m not saying eballa is wrong, he’s probably right — but i don’t think reddish ever thought of being traded in his 3rd season — this could be a humbling experience for him and makes him work on his game extra hard now, stick it to the hawks for trading him

if thibs is a fan then that means he thinks he needs coaching, a pure 6 foot 8 wing that’s smooth when he moves don’t grow on trees

i’m rooting for the potential of knicks getting at least someone who can be an upgrade over burks and fournier

if he stinks then he’ll be a situational
Thibs was a Fournier fan.

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Post#1170 » by DaGawd » Fri Jan 14, 2022 5:28 am

prophet_of_rage wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:Let's pretend for a bit.

Knicks get Zion and reproduce the Duke trio.

Assume Randle goes out in the trade. That's it. Obviously it will take a lot more.
But

Leave yourself some role players.
Part of this is you get to debate if RJ continues to improve, or doesn't, or fixes certain flaws or doesn't.
Same for Cam
For the sake of sanity, Zion is the best possible version seen in the short time he's been healthy.

Oh. And all 3 have to start.
Can you build a deep playoff team with two realistic additions etc at C/PF (depending on how you want to use Zion) and PG?

Which handful of young Knicks would you retain to fill out the bench or even start?

What is their ceiling?
Same as at Duke. You don't go deep because Zion still has no jumpshot can't defend and isn't a great rebounder. But he also takes up all the space inside.

It isn't a good mix.

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They didn’t win at Duke because winning the chip in college is damn near mostly about luck.. you run in to one hot shooting team and your run is over. Wasn’t any thing Zion did. RJ actually foolishly played hero ball at times he shouldn’t and cost Duke a few games
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Post#1171 » by evevale » Fri Jan 14, 2022 5:28 am

DaGawd wrote:
evevale wrote:kinda impressed by the people who think we're not going to risk pissing cam off when our lotto pick is playing 9 minutes and has forgotten what happiness is

Sucks for Obi that he’s playing behind the guy who is/was our best player and is a vet.. there’s really no reason Cam won’t play since Thibs apparently is a fan and wanted him here


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Post#1172 » by Gorilla Monsoon » Fri Jan 14, 2022 5:31 am

thebuzzardman wrote:Ok. F*ck it. Can't resist one last post.

RJ is a leader.
RJ may or may not have certain flaws that are unfixable.
But he's a leader. Sets an example.

Knicks are going to get Zion.
And while Zion and Cam are more talented than RJ, RJ will be the leader of the team.
And he will get Cam serious and focused
And he will get Zion serious about conditioning and eating right
And the Knicks will be good.

Buzztrodamus has spoken


I like the positive spin, Buzz. Would be a really exciting time if they can pull it off. Let's hope Zion doesn't continue morphing into Eddy Curry.
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Post#1173 » by DaGawd » Fri Jan 14, 2022 5:31 am

evevale wrote:
DaGawd wrote:
evevale wrote:kinda impressed by the people who think we're not going to risk pissing cam off when our lotto pick is playing 9 minutes and has forgotten what happiness is

Sucks for Obi that he’s playing behind the guy who is/was our best player and is a vet.. there’s really no reason Cam won’t play since Thibs apparently is a fan and wanted him here


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Really don’t think RJ is his main competition. Now Fournier and Burks..
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Post#1174 » by prophet_of_rage » Fri Jan 14, 2022 5:36 am

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Randle for fox makes toooooo much sense!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Until you have to watch Fox play against a packed on defence.

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Post#1175 » by blueNorange » Fri Jan 14, 2022 5:38 am

it's unlikely, but reddish could simply replace burks(who's shooting 38% on the year) in the rotation.

them not wanting to trade grimes means they value him.
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Post#1176 » by Im Coming Home » Fri Jan 14, 2022 5:40 am

evevale wrote:
DaGawd wrote:
evevale wrote:kinda impressed by the people who think we're not going to risk pissing cam off when our lotto pick is playing 9 minutes and has forgotten what happiness is

Sucks for Obi that he’s playing behind the guy who is/was our best player and is a vet.. there’s really no reason Cam won’t play since Thibs apparently is a fan and wanted him here


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Cam is a 3, RJ can be a 2/3.

Fournier can easily come off the bench if we wanted, people been asking for it all season anyways.

Burks masquerades as a PG, and is really a SG
IQ same thing as Burks
Grimes is not a reason why Reddish won't get minutes, but again Grimes is a 2.

We have a log jam at the 2, Reddish is a 3 maybe a small ball 4.
Only person infront of him really is RJ/Fournier.
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Post#1177 » by Im Coming Home » Fri Jan 14, 2022 5:42 am

evevale wrote:kinda impressed by the people who think we're not going to risk pissing cam off when our lotto pick is playing 9 minutes and has forgotten what happiness is

I mean true but it'd be stupid the trade for him if they're going to do the same thing the Hawks were doing to him no?

I mean it is the Knicks so maybe you're right but, logic dictates you don't trade for a guy who wants a bigger role/more minutes just to put him back in the same position he was in.
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Post#1178 » by Esq-4 » Fri Jan 14, 2022 5:42 am

blueNorange wrote:it's unlikely, but reddish could simply replace burks(who's shooting 38% on the year) in the rotation.

them not wanting to trade grimes means they value him.


Have to guess it's Burks. Not sitting RJ. Not EF at that contract. Could hurt Grimes short term.

Burk will get minutes at point until Rose and Walker are back.

Team is deep, but need to consolidate.
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Post#1179 » by evevale » Fri Jan 14, 2022 5:45 am

Im Coming Home wrote:
evevale wrote:kinda impressed by the people who think we're not going to risk pissing cam off when our lotto pick is playing 9 minutes and has forgotten what happiness is

I mean true but it'd be stupid the trade for him if they're going to do the same thing the Hawks were doing to him no?

I mean it is the Knicks so maybe you're right but, logic dictates you don't trade for a guy who wants a bigger role/more minutes just to put him back in the same position he was in.

and there is the critical flaw in your thinking process
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Post#1180 » by cgmw » Fri Jan 14, 2022 5:47 am

Honestly what’s the difference? We’re so hurt up for a legit PG in his prime, I’d take losing with Fox over losing with Randle any day.
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