slick_watts wrote:eyeatoma wrote:slick_watts wrote:
yes, he's raising his team to .500 from worst in the league. they are +8.0pp100 or something when he's in the game. that's a 21pp100 swing, which is absurd.
think about it. why do you even care about team record when it comes to mvp? the reason is that the most valuable players make their teams better. jokic makes his team better, objectively, more than anyone else this season, by far. only giannis is even in the same universe as him.
jokic has no control over what happens when he is not in the game, when the nuggets play like the worst team in the nba. it's silly to ignore this and just point to the team's record.
Let's also look historically, most MVPs are on are on a very good team. Westbrook and Jokic being the rare exception. I think for Jokic to win it two years in a row he'll need to make his team better not worse than last year. Yes they're missing MPJ and Murray, but I just don't see voters doing it twice in a row.
mvp voters are mostly stupid and adhere to this caveman ideology also. these are television talking head arguments. it's easy to predict what those guys will do, because they don't care at all about nuance.
we have objective evidence here that jokic makes his team better to an extent greater than any of the other candidates. who cares how the nuggets fared last year? what does that have to do with anything that is happening this season?
LOL guess it should just be you who decides on the MVP then eh? Sorry bud, sound more like you have an issue with how MVP's are decided on. Unfortunately, this has been the trend and continues to be it in the NBA. I do agree that most of the media is stupid, it's why narrative seems to always be the sole reason for deciding the MVP. Combine narrative, with best player on the a top 1-3 team in the league and voila, you have your MVP. Dumb equation but it is what it is. You have a few outliers in Westbrook and Jokic, but that's what they are, outliers.
As I said before, I think the award you are wanting to talk about is, best player in the league, not most valuable.