Knicks Get Reddish per Woj

[thebuzzardman]

Let's pretend for a bit.

Knicks get Zion and reproduce the Duke trio.

Assume Randle goes out in the trade. That's it. Obviously it will take a lot more.
But

Leave yourself some role players.
Part of this is you get to debate if RJ continues to improve, or doesn't, or fixes certain flaws or doesn't.
Same for Cam
For the sake of sanity, Zion is the best possible version seen in the short time he's been healthy.

Oh. And all 3 have to start.
Can you build a deep playoff team with two realistic additions etc at C/PF (depending on how you want to use Zion) and PG?

Which handful of young Knicks would you retain to fill out the bench or even start?

What is their ceiling?

Same as at Duke. You don't go deep because Zion still has no jumpshot can't defend and isn't a great rebounder. But he also takes up all the space inside.

It isn't a good mix.

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So much for the NY Dukerbockers!

I think Zion finds a jumper.

I think it could work, maybe, with a stretch 5 and a good shooting PG. Then again, those kinds of players help a lot of teams.
And several 3&D role players on the bench, where the 3 is solid.

[thebuzzardman]

To me cam seems very clunky and Lackadaisical. Im sorry to say this but at times looks like elf Payton. He will miss easy layups and his midrange is really bad. The one thing I will say is this kid got length and does have raw talent. But I feel like he never ever goes hard all the time. I mean he basically the same player he was in college. ( which wasn’t good) He was labeled as someone with RAW skill. But maybe RJ can show him a thing or two….

Weird stat: when he went out for injury the hawks became the best team in the league with the best record in I think the 30 game stretch

Now he came back this season and the hawks are playing exactly how they were in the beginning of last season when he was playing.

There is some thing that doesn’t sit right with me with this kid but…. Giving up someone we weren’t going to extend, who wasn’t playing and can be replaced by a player we get in return with better defense and more raw skill, along with making RJ happy sign me up..


It’s a good trade but not the miracle trade everyone is saying.

It will be a while before we probably even see him play.

Johnnie Bryant has a good reputation regarding working with players and fixing up some of their issues.
I'm not sophisticated enough (are any of us?) to notice if and where he's tweaked young Knicks for the better; we'd have to go on general improvement and then assume Bryant is part of it.

Anyway, that's the hope. Maybe the Knicks have the right guy to unlock his talent and Cam is ready and willing for that to happen.

[Jose7]

I read the first 30+ pages but pages keep coming damn can't keep up.

Very excited about this trade, I think Cam got All Star potential. When you shoot effortlessly it takes confidence and swag.

There's a reason he was highly rated out of high school, but he got lost in Zion's highlights and RJ's star hierarchy in Duke's shuffles, but I think he just remembered how good he is if he just blocks out all the noise.

Can't believe some here mad Cam would take away Grimes' playing time. The chances of Cam becoming a PG13 is 100000x more likely than Grimes becoming a Klay. Give the guy with real all Star potential all the minutes.

The guy who’s minutes are getting eaten is Fournier. Grimes is our best perimeter defender. Thibs has been playing grimes 20ish minutes a game since mid December and rightfully so.

[Ray Williams]

Randle and picks for Zion.

[Triple C]

[GreatWhiteStiff]

if he was great, he wouldnt have been available for so cheap

Lol, who said he was great???? He is an ascending young player who was stuck behind several young players who were making big money on ATL. He is extremely talented and ceiling is very high. He was starting to come into his own (just dropped over 30 points on the Bulls just two weeks ago) and exactly what this team needs. Long, athletic, excellent defender, all around player. Improving 3 point shooter, excellent passer, slasher and finisher. He also has a nice mid-range. He was an absolute steal for Knox and protected first.

Some say he's not a good defender. They say he's unplugged on D.

It's pretty odd that a three and D guy, who (allegedly, by some) plays pretty good defence would be virtually last in the league in certain plus/minus statistics. His unit/team must have a pretty poor drating when he's out there. I'm not sure if that's on him or not or how much or whatever. I mean it could just be statistical variance, but either way he's not going to be ranked highly in plus minus categories this year. I simply don't know how he faired in previous years. There's a lot I don't know.

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[GreatWhiteStiff]

Let's pretend for a bit.

Knicks get Zion and reproduce the Duke trio.

Assume Randle goes out in the trade. That's it. Obviously it will take a lot more.
But

Leave yourself some role players.
Part of this is you get to debate if RJ continues to improve, or doesn't, or fixes certain flaws or doesn't.
Same for Cam
For the sake of sanity, Zion is the best possible version seen in the short time he's been healthy.

Oh. And all 3 have to start.
Can you build a deep playoff team with two realistic additions etc at C/PF (depending on how you want to use Zion) and PG?

Which handful of young Knicks would you retain to fill out the bench or even start?

What is their ceiling?

Same as at Duke. You don't go deep because Zion still has no jumpshot can't defend and isn't a great rebounder. But he also takes up all the space inside.

It isn't a good mix.

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So much for the NY Dukerbockers!

I think Zion finds a jumper.

I think it could work, maybe, with a stretch 5 and a good shooting PG. Then again, those kinds of players help a lot of teams.
And several 3&D role players on the bench, where the 3 is solid.

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[Ray Williams]

To me cam seems very clunky and Lackadaisical. Im sorry to say this but at times looks like elf Payton. He will miss easy layups and his midrange is really bad. The one thing I will say is this kid got length and does have raw talent. But I feel like he never ever goes hard all the time. I mean he basically the same player he was in college. ( which wasn’t good) He was labeled as someone with RAW skill. But maybe RJ can show him a thing or two….

Weird stat: when he went out for injury the hawks became the best team in the league with the best record in I think the 30 game stretch

Now he came back this season and the hawks are playing exactly how they were in the beginning of last season when he was playing.

There is some thing that doesn’t sit right with me with this kid but…. Giving up someone we weren’t going to extend, who wasn’t playing and can be replaced by a player we get in return with better defense and more raw skill, along with making RJ happy sign me up..


It’s a good trade but not the miracle trade everyone is saying.

It will be a while before we probably even see him play.

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[thebuzzardman]

Same as at Duke. You don't go deep because Zion still has no jumpshot can't defend and isn't a great rebounder. But he also takes up all the space inside.

It isn't a good mix.

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So much for the NY Dukerbockers!

I think Zion finds a jumper.

I think it could work, maybe, with a stretch 5 and a good shooting PG. Then again, those kinds of players help a lot of teams.
And several 3&D role players on the bench, where the 3 is solid.

I don't think it's that unusual. He's an ok shooter in the midrange, form wise.

RJ didn't have a good jump shot coming into the NBA. Different players for sure, but because Zion is some kind of weird generational freak of a player IF/When he ever gets healthy or in shape, he can't add to his game?

*edit - for all his size and agility and strength, Zion has touch and an array of moves that screams gym rat that loves basketball.
I think that's the kind of player that gets better at things/adds things. Health/injuries being the big if.


He's not going to large square Ray Allen or anything. Just enough better shooting to offer some other looks than Zion in the high post or low post

[thebuzzardman]

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Taj Gibson younger than Obi, so his name shouldn't be included

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[thebuzzardman]

Lol, who said he was great???? He is an ascending young player who was stuck behind several young players who were making big money on ATL. He is extremely talented and ceiling is very high. He was starting to come into his own (just dropped over 30 points on the Bulls just two weeks ago) and exactly what this team needs. Long, athletic, excellent defender, all around player. Improving 3 point shooter, excellent passer, slasher and finisher. He also has a nice mid-range. He was an absolute steal for Knox and protected first.

Some say he's not a good defender. They say he's unplugged on D.

It's pretty odd that a three and D guy, who (allegedly, by some) plays pretty good defence would be virtually last in the league in certain plus/minus statistics. His unit/team must have a pretty poor drating when he's out there. I'm not sure if that's on him or not or how much or whatever. I mean it could just be statistical variance, but either way he's not going to be ranked highly in plus minus categories this year. I simply don't know how he faired in previous years. There's a lot I don't know.

He's probably not ranked well because he's not that truly good currently.
That's for defense and offense.

Knicks got a project.
Now it's up for the staff, and of course Cam himself, to realize more, if not all, of that potential.

That's all. Otherwise, he wouldn't have been available for a pick around 20

I don't think the Knicks pro player scouts are all that great, since some combination of them and Thibs influence decided to run back Rose/Burks/Noel/Taj on top of Randle/IQ/Obi/RJ, and then decided that on top of those 4, that Fournier was the needed addition and then, oh look! there's Kemba!

But it's a flyer, hope it works.

[Deeeez Knicks]

Lol, who said he was great???? He is an ascending young player who was stuck behind several young players who were making big money on ATL. He is extremely talented and ceiling is very high. He was starting to come into his own (just dropped over 30 points on the Bulls just two weeks ago) and exactly what this team needs. Long, athletic, excellent defender, all around player. Improving 3 point shooter, excellent passer, slasher and finisher. He also has a nice mid-range. He was an absolute steal for Knox and protected first.

Some say he's not a good defender. They say he's unplugged on D.

It's pretty odd that a three and D guy, who (allegedly, by some) plays pretty good defence would be virtually last in the league in certain plus/minus statistics. His unit/team must have a pretty poor drating when he's out there. I'm not sure if that's on him or not or how much or whatever. I mean it could just be statistical variance, but either way he's not going to be ranked highly in plus minus categories this year. I simply don't know how he faired in previous years. There's a lot I don't know.

Those plus/minus stats are very fluky. For example, Elf rated better on defense then Jrue Holiday and Smart in DRPM and we all know that he is not better then those guys.

Not to say Cam has been good. He has struggled at times. But I dont think RPM or any of those plus/minus stats are good indicators for young players and if they can be good. A lot of young players are at the bottom of those stats but end up being good.

[Monk1718]

Im extremely interested in how thibs is going to stagger these minutes.

[thebuzzardman]

Will Cam even play tonight?

I figure we hear from Thibs "Cam isn't playing because he didn't get a chance to practice enough with the team yet"

You know it's going to happen