How impressive is giannis' ring/season?

[Cubbies2120]

Giannis is competing against himself from now and on.
Do it again. Win the MVP and DPOY again. In the same season. Be the only one who wins both the accolades in the same season multiple times.
He has the PER record all time. Break it again.
Win the finals MVP again.
Rince. Repeat.
At the age of 26, he won everything. Nobody else did it at his age.
MJ and Hakeem the other two with a complete resume but later than him. Nobody else.
The likes of Shaq, Kobe, Duncan, LeBron, Durant etc never won the DPOY... Giannis did.

Think about that.

Read on Twitter

One of the most impressive rings.
Definitely top5.
1. Hakeem '94
2. Dirk '11
3. Giannis '21
4. Steph '15
5. Isiah '89-'90

Steph in 15? Against Lebron and the Cleveland G-Leaguers? Come on dude

It was not Steph fault that the Cavs got injured in the Finals.
Who had the warriors winning it all in the summer of '14? They came out of nowhere.
Everybody had the Cavs, the Thunder, the Clippers, the Spurs or the Rockets winning.
Context always matters.

Speaking of context, the Warriors (going into the playoffs) were 2nd favorite to win it all.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2434195-nba-playoffs-2015-full-title-odds-and-1st-round-predictions

The Spurs going into playoffs were 10:1 to win it, because they had to go through the 3-peat Lakers who were the favorites.

If you take away the name recognition of Robinson,Ginobili,Parker and look at what they produced:


Player A:
7.8 / 6.6 rpg on 54% shooting (23mpg)

Player B
14.7 / 3.5 rpg / 2.8apg on 40% shooting (33mpg)

Player C
9.4 / 3.8 / 2.9 on 38% shooting (28mpg)


Meanwhile Duncan led the team in PPG, RPG, APG, BPG.

[Dutchball97]

Top3 no, not a chance. It's locked between Dirk, Hakeem and Giannis.
Top5 yes, he may have a case.
Ginobili was the best player not playing in the NBA by a comfortable margin and i think it showed the moment he stepped his foot on an NBA court. Agreed about Parker tho.

Hard disagree on this. Manu was good but he played 20mpg in the regular season and 27mpg in the play-offs. He averaged 7.6 ppg on 44% from the field in the regular season and 9.4 ppg on 39% from the field in the play-offs. How you can think that is more impactful than two legit All-Star level players in Middleton and Holiday is beyond me.

Dirk in 2011 is arguable as is 94 Hakeem but no other ring comes close to Duncan's 03 campaign.

You act like Spurs were trash.
Mate, Duncan had Pop as coach.
Giannis has Budenholzer.
Coaching was in the same level?

A 37 year old Robinson was still dropping 11/7/2 blocks in the Finals in 26 mins, while shooting 65%.
Brook Lopez as a starting center for the Bucks had 11/5/0.7 with 48% in the same minutes.

Parker wasn't a star but he still had 14/4/4 with 42% from 3 in the Finals.

I don't know what's exactly beyond you. It's just an opinion. It doesn't weigh more than yours.

You said no chance for 03 Duncan as a top 3 ring though, doesn't really sound like an open-ended opinion but ok. I'm also not saying those Spurs were trash but much better than last year's Bucks. I simply fail to see why Giannis' ring is supposed to be an all-time great achievement when he had a strong team and didn't have to go through especially strong opposition.

[KGtabake]

Steph in 15? Against Lebron and the Cleveland G-Leaguers? Come on dude

It was not Steph fault that the Cavs got injured in the Finals.
Who had the warriors winning it all in the summer of '14? They came out of nowhere.
Everybody had the Cavs, the Thunder, the Clippers, the Spurs or the Rockets winning.
Context always matters.

But Steph didn't even win finals MVP.. How was it impressive when his role player teammate won the award for keeping Lebron to 36 pts, 13 reb, and 9 ast? Had even one of Love or Irving been healthy that series is over in 5 and the Warriors probably never would have taken off. Yes it's revisionists history but to say Steph's ring is top five all time is absolutely ludicrous

If you had to vote for the finals MVP, you would have picked Iggy?
Based on what? "Keeping LeBron to 36/13/9"? So if he didn't keep him, his averages would be what? 60/30/15? Are we serious now?
Everybody know that Steph got robbed there just like we know that the stupid voters regretted it later(but it was too late).

And by your logic, if Green wasn't suspended from game 6 in '16, the warriors would have won 4-1.

Nothing is ludicrous.
Again i challenge you to find me one person at the beginning of the 2014-15 campaign who had the warriors winning.

[Pachinko_]

Not very. He is manufactured entirely by NBA's ridiculous rules and and even more ridiculous reffing which bends those rules even further to create stars based on the whims of the commish.

Anyone who has ever watched Giannis to play FIBA knows that he cannot play basketball.

I'm a huge FIBA fan but I don't really see any reason why FIBA is supposed to be correct basketball and NBA wrong basketball, and not the other way round.

FIBA rules favour less athletic players and give them a chance to compete, because that's the kind of players they have in FIBA. And I enjoy watching it personally because it gives teams more strategic options, but that does not necessarily make it right or better or the point of reference for comparing players.

[KGtabake]

Steph in 15? Against Lebron and the Cleveland G-Leaguers? Come on dude

It was not Steph fault that the Cavs got injured in the Finals.
Who had the warriors winning it all in the summer of '14? They came out of nowhere.
Everybody had the Cavs, the Thunder, the Clippers, the Spurs or the Rockets winning.
Context always matters.

Speaking of context, the Warriors (going into the playoffs) were 2nd favorite to win it all.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2434195-nba-playoffs-2015-full-title-odds-and-1st-round-predictions

The Spurs going into playoffs were 10:1 to win it, because they had to go through the 3-peat Lakers who were the favorites.

If you take away the name recognition of Robinson,Ginobili,Parker and look at what they produced:


Player A:
7.8 / 6.6 rpg on 54% shooting (23mpg)

Player B
14.7 / 3.5 rpg / 2.8apg on 40% shooting (33mpg)

Player C
9.4 / 3.8 / 2.9 on 38% shooting (28mpg)


Meanwhile Duncan led the team in PPG, RPG, APG, BPG.

"Going into the playoffs". Sure. After they had the best record in the regular season...
In the 2014-15 regular season. At the beginning of that season you had them as favourite?
They were the 2nd favourites to win back then or they were below Spurs, Clippers, Thunder, Cavs and possibly Rockets or the freakin Bulls?

[Cubbies2120]

It was not Steph fault that the Cavs got injured in the Finals.
Who had the warriors winning it all in the summer of '14? They came out of nowhere.
Everybody had the Cavs, the Thunder, the Clippers, the Spurs or the Rockets winning.
Context always matters.

Speaking of context, the Warriors (going into the playoffs) were 2nd favorite to win it all.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2434195-nba-playoffs-2015-full-title-odds-and-1st-round-predictions

The Spurs going into playoffs were 10:1 to win it, because they had to go through the 3-peat Lakers who were the favorites.

If you take away the name recognition of Robinson,Ginobili,Parker and look at what they produced:


Player A:
7.8 / 6.6 rpg on 54% shooting (23mpg)

Player B
14.7 / 3.5 rpg / 2.8apg on 40% shooting (33mpg)

Player C
9.4 / 3.8 / 2.9 on 38% shooting (28mpg)


Meanwhile Duncan led the team in PPG, RPG, APG, BPG.

"Going into the playoffs". Sure. After they had the best record in the regular season...
In the 2014-15 regular season. At the beginning of that season you had them as favourite?
They were the 2nd favourites to win back then or they were below Spurs, Clippers, Thunder, Cavs and possibly Rockets or the freakin Bulls?

At the beginning of the season, nobody knew that Kerr would turn that franchise around with an entirely different offense. Nobody knew that KD would break his foot, so looking at it going into the playoffs is a better way to do it...

Going into playoffs, fully healthy, they were expected to lose to the fully healthy Cavs in the Finals. They beat them, but the Cavs were not fully healthy. Therefore, they played to expectation.

[JN61]

Up there above Durant/Lebron as in terms of impressive of this era. Didn't jump the ship after unable to win one without 2 other all-stars.

[KGtabake]

Hard disagree on this. Manu was good but he played 20mpg in the regular season and 27mpg in the play-offs. He averaged 7.6 ppg on 44% from the field in the regular season and 9.4 ppg on 39% from the field in the play-offs. How you can think that is more impactful than two legit All-Star level players in Middleton and Holiday is beyond me.

Dirk in 2011 is arguable as is 94 Hakeem but no other ring comes close to Duncan's 03 campaign.

You act like Spurs were trash.
Mate, Duncan had Pop as coach.
Giannis has Budenholzer.
Coaching was in the same level?

A 37 year old Robinson was still dropping 11/7/2 blocks in the Finals in 26 mins, while shooting 65%.
Brook Lopez as a starting center for the Bucks had 11/5/0.7 with 48% in the same minutes.

Parker wasn't a star but he still had 14/4/4 with 42% from 3 in the Finals.

I don't know what's exactly beyond you. It's just an opinion. It doesn't weigh more than yours.

You said no chance for 03 Duncan as a top 3 ring though, doesn't really sound like an open-ended opinion but ok. I'm also not saying those Spurs were trash but much better than last year's Bucks. I simply fail to see why Giannis' ring is supposed to be an all-time great achievement when he had a strong team and didn't have to go through especially strong opposition.

Firstly, because he did it with Milwaukee.
Where did you rank Milwaukee as a franchise all time before the ring?
Higher than San Antonio before 03?
We're not even talking about the size of the city, the market etc. San Antonio isn't enormous either.
The not particularly strong opposition(Suns) cruised in the West until the Finals. The best team in the conference. Who was better?
The Hawks beat both Sixers and Knicks without HC advantage. The Knicks weren't a powerhouse for sure (lol) but still what they Hawks did in the postseason was impressive.
The Sixers in Philly are always a favourite.
The Bucks have a stunning 8-0 home record vs the Nets in the KD years. With some serious blowouts.
You cannot win a ring if you can't win away from home.

[Mansurton]

It was not Steph fault that the Cavs got injured in the Finals.
Who had the warriors winning it all in the summer of '14? They came out of nowhere.
Everybody had the Cavs, the Thunder, the Clippers, the Spurs or the Rockets winning.
Context always matters.

But Steph didn't even win finals MVP.. How was it impressive when his role player teammate won the award for keeping Lebron to 36 pts, 13 reb, and 9 ast? Had even one of Love or Irving been healthy that series is over in 5 and the Warriors probably never would have taken off. Yes it's revisionists history but to say Steph's ring is top five all time is absolutely ludicrous

If you had to vote for the finals MVP, you would have picked Iggy?
Based on what? "Keeping LeBron to 36/13/9"? So if he didn't keep him, his averages would be what? 60/30/15? Are we serious now?
Everybody know that Steph got robbed there just like we know that the stupid voters regretted it later(but it was too late).

And by your logic, if Green wasn't suspended from game 6 in '16, the warriors would have won 4-1.

Nothing is ludicrous.
Again i challenge you to find me one person at the beginning of the 2014-15 campaign who had the warriors winning.

Lebron got robbed of finals MVP. Man should have won that trophy for dragging that team to two wins.

With or without Green in 16 the cavs win that championship stop it

[Mansurton]

This is savage af but I don't think it's too far off. I remember young Giannis had some degree of craftiness and skill to his game but when I watch him this year he's literally just trying to steamroll guys and then either shoot free throws or complain. Only in the NBA can you just lower your shoulders and elbows into completely standard by the book defensively stanced players and just get free throws for it. It's very silly to watch him actually play, as much as I like him for his off the court stuff, personality, small market loyalty etc

It's been this way for years as far as I'm concerned. He's almost unwatchable, he has no skill

Well he's 10x the passer of iso chuckers like Tatum or Brown. So at least he has that going for him.

All Tatum wants to do is step back 3 almost every possession, he can improve his IQ and grow out of bad habits. Same with Jaylen. They need to stop playing heads down basketball and the team needs to move the ball more. It is very disheartening to watch their play sometimes I agree. But at least they do more than just bulldoze through/offensive foul every possession.

[KGtabake]

But Steph didn't even win finals MVP.. How was it impressive when his role player teammate won the award for keeping Lebron to 36 pts, 13 reb, and 9 ast? Had even one of Love or Irving been healthy that series is over in 5 and the Warriors probably never would have taken off. Yes it's revisionists history but to say Steph's ring is top five all time is absolutely ludicrous

If you had to vote for the finals MVP, you would have picked Iggy?
Based on what? "Keeping LeBron to 36/13/9"? So if he didn't keep him, his averages would be what? 60/30/15? Are we serious now?
Everybody know that Steph got robbed there just like we know that the stupid voters regretted it later(but it was too late).

And by your logic, if Green wasn't suspended from game 6 in '16, the warriors would have won 4-1.

Nothing is ludicrous.
Again i challenge you to find me one person at the beginning of the 2014-15 campaign who had the warriors winning.

Lebron got robbed of finals MVP. Man should have won that trophy for dragging that team to two wins.

With or without Green in 16 the cavs win that championship stop it

Tremendous argument.
The Cavs win.... because that's what I wanted to happen and idc about your arguments

[C0bR]

Not very. He is manufactured entirely by NBA's ridiculous rules and and even more ridiculous reffing which bends those rules even further to create stars based on the whims of the commish.

Anyone who has ever watched Giannis to play FIBA knows that he cannot play basketball.

I'm a huge FIBA fan but I don't really see any reason why FIBA is supposed to be correct basketball and NBA wrong basketball, and not the other way round.

FIBA rules favour less athletic players and give them a chance to compete, because that's the kind of players they have in FIBA. And I enjoy watching it personally because it gives teams more strategic options, but that does not necessarily make it right or better or the point of reference for comparing players.

FIBA doesn't favor anyone in particular. It merely favors legitimate basketball skills like being able to dribble without travelling or moving around the court without commiting offensive fouls on every possession.

[_qubik]

Giannis and Jokic are current generation top players, they will lead the league when Lebron and KD retire.

But I still dont think Giannis is or will be better than KD and Lebron, for this year playoff I would still pick KD and Lebron over him, KD isnt slowing down, and Nash is making him work hard all season long, Lebron is the best player in the league since returning from injury.

Lebron has the craziest feats on the playoffs, due to greatness, longevity, even bad records, like all the finals he got to and lost.

Its just my opnion, the stats are great, insane numbers, but other than the injury comeback I dont see something special about Bucks x Suns finals. The biggest points arent on court related, people were happy to see different teams on the finals, to see a new star breaktrhough and win it all. But basketball wise we had better finals in recent years

[Dutchball97]

You act like Spurs were trash.
Mate, Duncan had Pop as coach.
Giannis has Budenholzer.
Coaching was in the same level?

A 37 year old Robinson was still dropping 11/7/2 blocks in the Finals in 26 mins, while shooting 65%.
Brook Lopez as a starting center for the Bucks had 11/5/0.7 with 48% in the same minutes.

Parker wasn't a star but he still had 14/4/4 with 42% from 3 in the Finals.

I don't know what's exactly beyond you. It's just an opinion. It doesn't weigh more than yours.

You said no chance for 03 Duncan as a top 3 ring though, doesn't really sound like an open-ended opinion but ok. I'm also not saying those Spurs were trash but much better than last year's Bucks. I simply fail to see why Giannis' ring is supposed to be an all-time great achievement when he had a strong team and didn't have to go through especially strong opposition.

Firstly, because he did it with Milwaukee.
Where did you rank Milwaukee as a franchise all time before the ring?
Higher than San Antonio before 03?
We're not even talking about the size of the city, the market etc. San Antonio isn't enormous either.
The not particularly strong opposition(Suns) cruised in the West until the Finals. The best team in the conference. Who was better?
The Hawks beat both Sixers and Knicks without HC advantage. The Knicks weren't a powerhouse for sure (lol) but still what they Hawks did in the postseason was impressive.
The Sixers in Philly are always a favourite.
The Bucks have a stunning 8-0 home record vs the Nets in the KD years. With some serious blowouts.
You cannot win a ring if you can't win away from home.

Not saying the Bucks had an easy path but compared to every other title winning team I wouldn't say they had a particularly difficult road to the title.

First time I've seen someone try to use how good a franchise was before a ring as an argument for the ring being more valuable. Not like it impacts the quality of the 20/21 roster.

[Bmaasse]

Not very. He is manufactured entirely by NBA's ridiculous rules and and even more ridiculous reffing which bends those rules even further to create stars based on the whims of the commish.

Anyone who has ever watched Giannis to play FIBA knows that he cannot play basketball.

Giannis has played 11 games in FIBA. 6 in 2104 and 5 in 2019. You believe that those 11 games with unfamiliar teammates, carry more weight than everything that he has accomplished in the NBA up to this point?

Also if the league is looking to manufacture super stars, why would they choose a player in a tiny market like Milwaukee?? That makes zero sense. If it's so easy to create super star NBA players, why not do it in a market like NY or Chicago even?

[Ersanity]

Some Harden burners in the replies on this one for sure. Tell me you're an ignorant hater without telling me you're an ignorant hater. Anyone who uses the "no skill" argument on Giannis better have HATED prime Shaq too. If you think all Giannis does is knock people over, I have some news for you. Don't confuse dominance and an unmatchable combination of size, strength, and athleticism with a lack of skill, you clowns. Also, he's one of the most skilled and intelligent team/help defenders in NBA history, but "skill" always is limited to dribbling and shooting in these debates, for some "strange" reason.

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[Stalwart]

It's undeniably impressive. The factors that detract from that season are the same that LeBron faced when he won in 2020. People want to put an asterisk next to these last two rings. 2020 due to the bubble, and 2021 due to almost every team in the playoffs being effected heavily by injuries. But none of that was in Giannis' control, and as many have said, it takes luck to win a championship. And the Bucks were lucky that they stayed (relatively) healthy.

The only reason people try to put an asterisk on 2021 is to try and make 2020 not seem so bad.

Its obvious. Certain fans can't defend the 2020 title so they start pushing the narrative that every title gets criticized or something. So when people criticize the Mickey Mouse title people ignore it because it seems like every championship has detractors. Then the response is to disavow asterisks altogether. And just like that 2020 can no longer be questioned.

[Rodwilliams]

If you had to vote for the finals MVP, you would have picked Iggy?
Based on what? "Keeping LeBron to 36/13/9"? So if he didn't keep him, his averages would be what? 60/30/15? Are we serious now?
Everybody know that Steph got robbed there just like we know that the stupid voters regretted it later(but it was too late).

And by your logic, if Green wasn't suspended from game 6 in '16, the warriors would have won 4-1.

Nothing is ludicrous.
Again i challenge you to find me one person at the beginning of the 2014-15 campaign who had the warriors winning.

Lebron got robbed of finals MVP. Man should have won that trophy for dragging that team to two wins.

With or without Green in 16 the cavs win that championship stop it

Tremendous argument.
The Cavs win.... because that's what I wanted to happen and idc about your arguments

That Draymond green ONE game suspension is the lamest argument I heard in NBA history because it was only for ONE game. Why couldn’t they win game 6 and 7 when Draymond played? Argument makes no sense at all.

How is Curry 2015 ring impressive? He beat Lebron and a bunch of G league players. The sad part is that Lebron and the G league players pushed the Warriors to 6 games that year. Curry didn’t even win Finals MVP.

Spurs rings are way more impressive than that 2015 Warriors ring. Spurs rings were way more impressive, played better teams etc. Whichever Spurs you want to go with. Way more impressive than that 2015 ring. Not even close.

[Statlanta]

I treat it as AD's 2020 championship. Perceive that how you may.

[KGtabake]

I treat it as AD's 2020 championship. Perceive that how you may.

Perceived as if Khris Middleton is LeBron James.