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[BUCKnation]

Yeah, Jrue's athleticism is hard to quantify. Clearly very athletic, but more of a below the rim, im stronger than you, bully (as described earlier) kind of athleticism. That should generally age better than someone relying on quickness, especially if his improved shooting continues.

[Ruzious]

I feel pretty confident in saying, as long as the big 3 stay healthy, the Bucks aren't trading any of them for at least 3 more years. These guys are all true professionals who will take care of their bodies.

When they go to their doctors, they can just say - I'll have what Wes is having.

[flaco]

Jrue isn't good enough to be the second best player on a championship team. He was clearly the third banana behind Giannis and Midds last season. The Pels were a borderline playoff team with AD and Jrue. Not to mention, Philly would lose Seth who's one of their best players this season. Fwiw, the trade works without Donte. Feel free to remove him from the deal if you think it's too rich for Philly.

Agree to disagree regarding our part of the deal. I believe we'd be a better team this season with Haliburton + Barnes + Seth instead of Jrue. We'd also be a better team going forward cause Haliburton is 10+ years younger than Jrue! Barnes is 2 years younger as well.

Given that Simmons is refusing to play for Philly, they will definitely become way better when they trade him. The important thing is whether the trade helps the Bucks. In any case, I believe we'd still be better than Philly.

'Player X isn't good enough to be the second best on a championship team' is just not a very compelling argument to me. It is extremely hard to make the case that in different games in the playoffs last season, who was 'the second best player' on the Bucks? What Jrue did defensively was massive, to me arguably shutting down one of the greatest PG of all time in Chris Paul was what turned the series for us. So how do I calculate 'second best player'?

Most impact? Most points? Net rating? It is a silly argument to me because if the position is Middleton is second best, well, before last season a lot of people said you couldn't win a championship with Midds as your #2. If Jrue is your second, people will say you can't win a championship with him as your #2. But obviously the combination of Giannis, Midds and Jrue, however you want to label them, you know, won the championship.

So if you want to prolong the window, I can understand it, but I certainly wouldn't do it if it meant reducing my window in the short term (by either taking a step back or improving a competitor or both, which I think your trade does) and I certainly wouldn't break up the team coming off a championship season where our roster is actually better than last year if we get healthy.

It's actually pretty easy to make the case. Giannis was hands down our best player. Midds was our secondary shot creator in the half court. He was absolutely colossal in the clutch, especially when opposing teams were walling the paint.



The picture says it all. Need I say more? Don't get me wrong, Jrue was great too! He's possibly the second best guard defender in the NBA behind only Ben Simmons (who isn't exactly a guard to begin with). No way would we have won without him. It's just that Giannis and Midds were better. The way I see it, offense is more important than defense, especially when we already got Giannis who's probably the best help defender in the NBA.

When the big 3 are healthy, we don't really need Jrue's scoring/slashing. We mostly use him as a facilitator / off-ball shooter. With all due respect, Haliburton may already be better than Jrue in both these things! He's also a terrific defender (albeit not as good as Jrue). In a vacuum, Jrue is easily the better player right now cause he can create his own shot. On the Bucks, the difference wouldn't be so obvious. If you add Barnes and Seth, then it becomes a very intriguing deal in my book. I truly believe we'd become a better team after that trade.

[buckboy]

PG: Haliburton - Hill
SG: Seth - Allen - Matthews
SF: Middleton - Pat - Matthews
PF: Barnes - Bobby
C: Giannis - Bobby - (Brook)

I could see this team being just as good this season as our current team, if not marginally better. Barnes would give us tremendous versatility on both sides of the floor. He can create his own shot. He can create shots for his teammates. He can play on or off the ball. He can defend multiple positions. I'd argue he's a poor man's Middleton. Seth is an elite floor spacer and a reliable facilitator. Giannis would be playing almost exclusively at the 5 come playoff time.

Main problem with this deal; you haven't made us better (or much better) in the short term and you've massively upgraded Philly to the point where they may be the favorite to win the championship over the next two seasons. If the goal is winning championships while we are in Giannis' window, I think this is very bad way to do it.

Agree, this pretty much hands the East to Philly. Adding Jrue and DDV to an already stacked team of wing defenders, plus Embiid, that would be crazy good.

Yeah, I'm not seeing that one at all. Don't think this hands Philly anything. Certainly makes them better, because they get J'Rue for Seth, plus DDV, but eh. That wouldn't concern me if the deal was good enough (which I don't think it is for the record).

[Brewhoopfan]

Let the talking heads argue the semantics of the stupid talking points around #2 best player etc. Khris wasn't a good enough #2 either....until he was. But, but, but, was Khris actually the #2?!?!?! These are just made up parameters with shifting goalposts. It's all nonsense.

You just don't mess with the core of a PROVEN championship roster. From an organizational standpoint, you also don't trade away key human beings who just brought you a title. This isn't fantasy football. I get it. It's fun to talk about, but c'mon.

[Ron Swanson]

Yeah, Jrue's athleticism is hard to quantify. Clearly very athletic, but more of a below the rim, im stronger than you, bully (as described earlier) kind of athleticism. That should generally age better than someone relying on quickness, especially if his improved shooting continues.

He's not Russ or prime Rose, but uh, I don't think you could name a half dozen PG's in the league that can throw it down like Jrue does when he turns it on.

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[BUCKnation]

Yeah, Jrue's athleticism is hard to quantify. Clearly very athletic, but more of a below the rim, im stronger than you, bully (as described earlier) kind of athleticism. That should generally age better than someone relying on quickness, especially if his improved shooting continues.

He's not Russ or prime Rose, but uh, I don't think you could name a half dozen PG's in the league that can throw it down like Jrue does when he turns it on.

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No doubt, he's not on Khris' level on dunk rarity, but its relatively rare and not a huge part of his game, which is what I was referring to. He's got it in the back pocket, but its not his main playstyle.

[EastSideBucksFan]

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[PG Graveyard]

Would we do Donte for Schroder? You have to think the temptation of getting a red haired white guy would be the siren song for Boston right? We could use another ballhandler like Schroder. Although I'm unsure how his defense is and if he would fit.

[The Wet Whistle]

A trade that likely has too many players involved to be realistic (and, tbh, unsure of value(s))

Lopez, Donte, Nwora, Hood, 2 2nd's for Barnes & Len gives us a really flexible rotation

Jrue/Hill
Allen/Matthews
Khris/PatCon
Giannis/Barnes
Bobby/Len

[SupremeHustle]

Who says no?

[Milbucks96]

I feel pretty confident in saying, as long as the big 3 stay healthy, the Bucks aren't trading any of them for at least 3 more years. These guys are all true professionals who will take care of their bodies.

When they go to their doctors, they can just say - I'll have what Wes is having.

I would put big money on at least one if not both of Jrue and Khris being gone in 2 seasons. Championship cores don’t usually stay together long unless ownership is willing to keep it together.

I don’t think the owners are going to be paying into the tax for long with the attendance still being up and down and a year and a half of no fans.

[randy84]

Would we do Donte for Schroder? You have to think the temptation of getting a red haired white guy would be the siren song for Boston right? We could use another ballhandler like Schroder. Although I'm unsure how his defense is and if he would fit.

Easily.

[TroyD92]

Flaco is like bizarro world DavidDunn

[jakecronus8]

Would we do Donte for Schroder? You have to think the temptation of getting a red haired white guy would be the siren song for Boston right? We could use another ballhandler like Schroder. Although I'm unsure how his defense is and if he would fit.

Easily.

I strongly strongly dislike Dennis’ game but even so this would be a steal for us.

[flaco]

Would we do Donte for Schroder? You have to think the temptation of getting a red haired white guy would be the siren song for Boston right? We could use another ballhandler like Schroder. Although I'm unsure how his defense is and if he would fit.

Easily.

I strongly strongly dislike Dennis’ game but even so this would be a steal for us.

Pass for 2 reasons:
- We'd have only non-Bird rights on Schroder. We'd be allowed to offer him up to $7,068,000 in year one (=120% of his current salary). Chances are he'd basically be a rental.
- Basketball-wise, he'd be a bad fit next to Giannis cause he's an unreliable shooter. He's also a defensive liability.

[PG Graveyard]

Easily.

I strongly strongly dislike Dennis’ game but even so this would be a steal for us.

Pass for 2 reasons:
- We'd have only non-Bird rights on Schroder. We'd be allowed to offer him up to $7,068,000 in year one (=120% of his current salary). Chances are he'd basically be a rental.
- Basketball-wise, he'd be a bad fit next to Giannis on the offensive side of the ball cause he's a below average shooter. He's also a defensive liability.

I would probably do something around this but I don’t think it’s a slam dunk. Two weeks from now Donte should have some Rhythm and will look a lot better.

[HurricaneKid]

WTF? Schroeder? There is a reason the entire league said in unison "abso#uckinglutely not".

And every one of them has been proven right. Dude is scoring at well below league avg effiency, shooting 34% from 3, being a hooifyingly bad defender. He just isn't a useful player in any role. Which has been the case for every year of his career except the year he played with CP3.

His VORP this year: 0.0.

Nah. No interest. Whatsoever.

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[Frank Nova]

Who says no?

I’d assume NYK says no. Who knows tho. I find it hard to believe DDV could have this much value but maybe? How does this trade make NYK better? I love it for us tho, IQ as a Lou Will lite off the bench is solid and Mitch can’t space the floor but he’s an athletic 7’ rim runner and they’re always useful in some capacity. Mitch would really come in handy in a series vs Philly especially but also Chicago and Miami.

[BroncoBuck]

Donte for DFS straight up.

DFS is older and is a more consistent 4/3 while Donte is younger and more of a 2/3. Both players are on expiring deals.

I think DFS is a really good fit for this Bucks team, especially when Bobby and Giannis have to play minutes at the 5.