Knicks Get Reddish per Woj

[Capn'O]

Sure. They should tank. But they're not gonna tank

then i hope the nets win the championship. maybe that will teach them.

That will not teach them. Not the lessens it should, anyway.

[god shammgod]

I want to like the Cam trade and there's a chance it will work out.

But I recall similar sentiments for Mudiay, who I didn't like (but I was probably too invested in fellow future bust Frank) and also Super Mario, who I also convinced myself that his skills and athleticism might play with a 2nd chance.

It probably won't work out, but I don't the team taking the chance. But lots of guys get drafted higher up and then don't pan out as good, or pan out as "ok"

I mean, Doug McDermott is your stereotypical white guy player, runs around, makes his jumpers (except as a Knick), the bank shots etc. But he was drafted high. Now, Cam, with more athleticism, more shake, but ultimately may not translate until any better player, just different. And that would be a good scenario.

People thinking we got another Paul George, but it could be Dark McDermott.

it's very much like super mario. he had talent too but just couldn't quite put it together. and the likelihood is cam won't either.

[Spree2Houston]

The guy I would try to trade for is Dejounte Murray

[stuporman]

Indiana is going to try and leverage Turner, LeVert and Sabonis into as many first round picks as they can get and I don't want Rose to bite on any of that because none of those players make the Knicks a title contender. That's what the Knicks need to use assets on not those guys... Fox, either. No thanks.

[SelbyCobra]

This Cam trade is fun for discussion, and also to dream on, but taking a wide angle view of this I think there's basically no chance that the Hawks just straight up blew it and gave up a 22 year old guy who goes on to become a valuable player in the league.

[G_K_F]

assets for cam, assets for fox....y'all are so happy to aim and settle for the middle. sad.

It’s not settling for me I think it would be a huge get for us he’s averaging 24.1 ppg in the month of January he’s only 24 y/o and a very talented guard already had three 30 point games and a 29 pt game in 2022. But I forgot this is the Knicks where we have so many great PGs come through here we don’t need to settle we have very high standards I’m sure prime magic Johnson is coming any day now

My friend who doesn’t watch basketball at all can look at his stats and think ‘wow this guy scores 24 point per game, he must be good!’ That’s a very simplistic view on ball.

Basketball is a lot more nuanced than putting up points.

Fox has regressed and has never been a good or even mediocre shooter in a league that values shooting. But you want to add another volume scorer to a team full of them thinking it will be the answer.

I do see the Kentucky avatar though so it all makes sense. We should get Calipari in here too.

[god shammgod]

Indiana is going to try and leverage Turner, LeVert and Sabonis into as many first round picks as they can get and I don't want Rose to bite on any of that because none of those players make the Knicks a title contender. That's what the Knicks need to use assets on not those guys... Fox, either. No thanks.

as least there's a few people who get it. this post is like a glass of water in a dessert.

[Capn'O]

This Cam trade is fun for discussion, and also to dream on, but taking a wide angle view of this I think there's basically no chance that the Hawks just straight up blew it and gave up a 22 year old guy who goes on to become a valuable player in the league.

Wolves did on Wiggins

[DrCoach]

I think his upside is more Wiggins than George.

That's a great comp for upside because that was another uber talented guy who couldn't figure out how to translate that into winning ball for his first several years in the league.

Size, length, athleticism

With no pressure of being #1 pick

Look how good he looks in GS

[DOT]

I don't know where the idea that Reddish is a guy who creates comes from

He's like RJ last year in that he's best spotting up, but can sometimes create. But he's still bad at creating for himself

The PnR numbers look promising, around average, but the iso numbers are dreadful. Like, Frank levels of bad. 2019 and 2020, Frank was around 30-40th percentile for isos, Reddish was 14th percentile his rookie year, didn't have enough to qualify last year, and is 8th percentile this year

So like, he could develop (quite frankly, hard to get worse at isolating), but he's pretty much primarily a spot-up guy for now.

[Capn'O]

I think his upside is more Wiggins than George.

That's a great comp for upside because that was another uber talented guy who couldn't figure out how to translate that into winning ball for his first several years in the league.

Size, length, athleticism

With no pressure of being #1 pick

Look how good he looks in GS

And it took a couple of years to get there.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

I don't get why people want Turner, he's not some sniper from 3, we should have just kept Bobby if all you want from the C spot is 3s. Why don't we move Nerlens, and make a run at Mo Bamba this offseason if you want a center that can shoot.

[G_K_F]

That's a great comp for upside because that was another uber talented guy who couldn't figure out how to translate that into winning ball for his first several years in the league.

Size, length, athleticism

With no pressure of being #1 pick

Look how good he looks in GS

And it took a couple of years to get there.

The Warriors have a good developmental system.

Kerr is also a great coach for both winning and development.

We don’t have either of these things.

[DOT]

This Cam trade is fun for discussion, and also to dream on, but taking a wide angle view of this I think there's basically no chance that the Hawks just straight up blew it and gave up a 22 year old guy who goes on to become a valuable player in the league.

Wolves did on Wiggins

Wiggins had to go to one of the better run organizations in the league and needed to play next to an MVP caliber player to become a good role player though

And I wouldn't pay 30 million for him, even in his current state.

[Deeeez Knicks]

I still do.

I would take him in the right deal as well. He's got talent and may be a depressed asset right now.

I'm in the same boat and I wouldn't be too concerned about even an Obi/Grimes + fillers + DAL pick type deal.

But the fit would be very clunky with our roster in terms of spacing.

Yea i would take Fox

[3toheadmelo]

I don't know where the idea that Reddish is a guy who creates comes from

He's like RJ last year in that he's best spotting up, but can sometimes create. But he's still bad at creating for himself

The PnR numbers look promising, around average, but the iso numbers are dreadful. Like, Frank levels of bad. 2019 and 2020, Frank was around 30-40th percentile for isos, Reddish was 14th percentile his rookie year, didn't have enough to qualify last year, and is 8th percentile this year

So like, he could develop (quite frankly, hard to get worse at isolating), but he's pretty much primarily a spot-up guy for now.

You’re letting stats fool you. Watch this video. He’s been known as a 3 level scorer since high school. His numbers look bad because he’s inconsistent asf. But the ability is there.

Watch on YouTube

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[robillionaire]

assets for cam, assets for fox....y'all are so happy to aim and settle for the middle. sad.

It’s not settling for me I think it would be a huge get for us he’s averaging 24.1 ppg in the month of January he’s only 24 y/o and a very talented guard already had three 30 point games and a 29 pt game in 2022. But I forgot this is the Knicks where we have so many great PGs come through here we don’t need to settle we have very high standards I’m sure prime magic Johnson is coming any day now

My friend who doesn’t watch basketball at all can look at his stats and think ‘wow this guy scores 24 point per game, he must be good!’ That’s a very simplistic view on ball.

Basketball is a lot more nuanced than putting up points.

Fox has regressed and has never been a good or even mediocre shooter in a league that values shooting. But you want to add another volume scorer to a team full of them thinking it will be the answer.

I do see the Kentucky avatar though so it all makes sense. We should get Calipari in here too.

Cool enjoy the corpse of Kemba Walker and Mudiay and Frank Dennis brick jr and Jarrett Jack and Calderon and Felton and the other great Knicks PGs in the rich tradition of excellence here

[Capn'O]

Mind you, I don't want the Knicks trading any of _our_ picks for any of this. We're not in a place where we can divert the "pull the plug" option yet. But the assets we have... other than our own picks and RJ they're not getting you superstars. Obi and... even our picks... ain't a core piece to get a Harden level player. He's a core piece to get a Sexton level player. Young guys with big question marks. That's where we're at. We're in a place where we need to take some risks that could pan to us having a larger piece down the road. But that could also **** us.

If we reach out and the cost is too high for any of these guys we keep it moving. Meanwhile, we can look to move guys like Kemba for more minor assets.

[god shammgod]

I don't get why people want Turner, he's not some sniper from 3, we should have just kept Bobby if all you want from the C spot is 3s. Why don't we move Nerlens, and make a run at Mo Bamba this offseason if you want a center that can shoot.

because he had a couple good games shooting the 3 against us and that's people's only frame of reference for him

[WargamesX]

This Cam trade is fun for discussion, and also to dream on, but taking a wide angle view of this I think there's basically no chance that the Hawks just straight up blew it and gave up a 22 year old guy who goes on to become a valuable player in the league.

Wolves did on Wiggins

that's actually a good point....