Knicks Get Reddish per Woj

[Jeffrey]

Cam is a creator. Right now and always has been. He’s just inconsistent at making shots. That’s all it is.

Inconsistent is synonymous with bad in the NBA

You can argue semantics, and that's really all it is at this point

He might have potential to create, but his best role for now is 3-D. Have him focus on what he's best at, while developing the rest of his game slowly

It really isn't too dissimilar from RJ's development. Just RJ is better right now while Reddish arguably has more potential due to his size and athleticism over RJ.

Cam wanted out of Atlanta because he did not want to be just a spot up shooter. It’s a waste of his development to just make him a 3 and D guy.

Because his defense has deteriorated? I get that he wants to be more than that, but you really think Thibs will give him that freedom?

[G_K_F]

I dunno dude. I’ve watched infinitely more guard talent come through Kentucky and calipari over the past 10 years than what’s come through this shithole franchise in the past 50 years as well as them winning a championship. This team is a neverending miserable hell.

so is sacramento

Well yeah. Nobody wants to play there. Dudes might play inspired to get off that team. We can buy low on disgruntled players

I was at a game at MSG in spring 2019 and Fox absolutely busted the Knicks ass scored 30 something I don’t remember and of course the Kings won. He seemed like he would thrive under the lights of the garden to me.

But whatever let’s develop some g-leaguer or hope the next late 1st rounder becomes a star. A boat’s a boat but a mystery box can be anything. It can even be a boat. You know how much we wanted one of those.

The best teams in this league built through the draft.

They didn't trade all their assets for 'disgruntled' volume scorers and hoped that they can make a first round playoff berth.

[DOT]

Cam wanted out of Atlanta because he did not want to be just a spot up shooter. It’s a waste of his development to just make him a 3 and D guy.

I feel like you're not even arguing against what I'm saying, but a strawman version of me where I'm saying he's only a 3-D player and will only ever be a 3-D player

Best case is he ends up like RJ last year

Best at spotting up, but allowed to show flashes of shot creation. Then hopefully his shot creation develops to where he is consistent about it

But we're not a tanking team and we didn't invest significant draft capital into him. Prioritizing his on-ball creation to the detriment of everything else is just something we're not gonna do.

[K_ick_God]

I want to like the Cam trade and there's a chance it will work out.

But I recall similar sentiments for Mudiay, who I didn't like (but I was probably too invested in fellow future bust Frank) and also Super Mario, who I also convinced myself that his skills and athleticism might play with a 2nd chance.

It probably won't work out, but I don't the team taking the chance. But lots of guys get drafted higher up and then don't pan out as good, or pan out as "ok"

I mean, Doug McDermott is your stereotypical white guy player, runs around, makes his jumpers (except as a Knick), the bank shots etc. But he was drafted high. Now, Cam, with more athleticism, more shake, but ultimately may not translate until any better player, just different. And that would be a good scenario.

People thinking we got another Paul George, but it could be Dark McDermott.

The only real flyers we took that have worked are Randle and Burks. And both successful flyers have hurt us.

[mpharris36]

I don't get why people want Turner, he's not some sniper from 3, we should have just kept Bobby if all you want from the C spot is 3s. Why don't we move Nerlens, and make a run at Mo Bamba this offseason if you want a center that can shoot.

because he had a couple good games shooting the 3 against us and that's people's only frame of reference for him

That sounds like a lot of people on this board

[Iron Mantis]

With the Fox trade rumors starting per Chris Hayes. What is your max offer for Fox? Because you know the Knicks are interested.

For Fox? Jules and filler.

For Haliburton? Any player not named RJ, plus an unprotected 1st.

[mpharris36]

With the Fox trade rumors starting per Chris Hayes. What is your max offer for Fox? Because you know the Knicks are interested.

For Fox? Jules and filler.

For Haliburton? Any player not named RJ, plus an unprotected 1st.

they want to trade Fox so they can give the keys for Haliburton. We can't acquire Haliburton.

[thebuzzardman]

I don't get why people want Turner, he's not some sniper from 3, we should have just kept Bobby if all you want from the C spot is 3s. Why don't we move Nerlens, and make a run at Mo Bamba this offseason if you want a center that can shoot.

We should have kept Bobby. For sure.

Over Noel, for sure.

But that year, probably only Noel would take the cheap 1 year deal. So at THAT point, it was a good idea. That immediately turned bad when they re-upped Noel for two more years.

[thebuzzardman]

I want to like the Cam trade and there's a chance it will work out.

But I recall similar sentiments for Mudiay, who I didn't like (but I was probably too invested in fellow future bust Frank) and also Super Mario, who I also convinced myself that his skills and athleticism might play with a 2nd chance.

It probably won't work out, but I don't the team taking the chance. But lots of guys get drafted higher up and then don't pan out as good, or pan out as "ok"

I mean, Doug McDermott is your stereotypical white guy player, runs around, makes his jumpers (except as a Knick), the bank shots etc. But he was drafted high. Now, Cam, with more athleticism, more shake, but ultimately may not translate until any better player, just different. And that would be a good scenario.

People thinking we got another Paul George, but it could be Dark McDermott.

The only real flyers we took that have worked are Randle and Burks. And both successful flyers have hurt us.

I covered in other posts that while I want to like this move, and certain aspects I do, it was done by the FO/Pro player scouts that thought running back Rose/Burks/Noel/Taj was a great idea, and that Fournier and Kemba was then making that even better.

So yeah, it's a suspect group. And they gave Randle 4 more years.

[Chanel Bomber]

Hating Randle and wanting Fox doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.

Besides the fact Fox simply hasn't been given the opportunity to disappoint Knicks fans and fall short of their expectations.

[sogood]

Yeeesh 82 pages in one day for Cam **** Reddish?

[poeman]

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[Iron Mantis]

With the Fox trade rumors starting per Chris Hayes. What is your max offer for Fox? Because you know the Knicks are interested.

For Fox? Jules and filler.

For Haliburton? Any player not named RJ, plus an unprotected 1st.

they want to trade Fox so they can give the keys for Haliburton. We can't acquire Haliburton.

But Haliburton should already be on our roster

[BugginOut]

Cam wanted out of Atlanta because he did not want to be just a spot up shooter. It’s a waste of his development to just make him a 3 and D guy.

I feel like you're not even arguing against what I'm saying, but a strawman version of me where I'm saying he's only a 3-D player and will only ever be a 3-D player

Best case is he ends up like RJ last year

Best at spotting up, but allowed to show flashes of shot creation. Then hopefully his shot creation develops to where he is consistent about it

But we're not a tanking team and we didn't invest significant draft capital into him. Prioritizing his on-ball creation to the detriment of everything else is just something we're not gonna do.

This is correct. Brown and Tatum were able to develop on a winning team by taking a 3&D role. Cam has to show he is a winning player before we give him the green light to take step back shots to his hearts content.

This is how good organizations develop talent

[robillionaire]

so is sacramento

Well yeah. Nobody wants to play there. Dudes might play inspired to get off that team. We can buy low on disgruntled players

I was at a game at MSG in spring 2019 and Fox absolutely busted the Knicks ass scored 30 something I don’t remember and of course the Kings won. He seemed like he would thrive under the lights of the garden to me.

But whatever let’s develop some g-leaguer or hope the next late 1st rounder becomes a star. A boat’s a boat but a mystery box can be anything. It can even be a boat. You know how much we wanted one of those.

The best teams in this league built through the draft.

They didn't trade all their assets for 'disgruntled' volume scorers and hoped that they can make a first round playoff berth.

The nets are the best team in the league. They had nothing, they traded a first round pick for d’Angelo russell a disgruntled volume scorer on LA, he became an all-star, they made a first round playoff birth barely over .500, then KD and Kyrie came and they traded for harden

Meanwhile in that same time span we “built through the draft” like a small market poverty franchise and got Frank Knox and nothing. They play in the same city we do. We could have done the same thing.

[robillionaire]

I want to like the Cam trade and there's a chance it will work out.

But I recall similar sentiments for Mudiay, who I didn't like (but I was probably too invested in fellow future bust Frank) and also Super Mario, who I also convinced myself that his skills and athleticism might play with a 2nd chance.

It probably won't work out, but I don't the team taking the chance. But lots of guys get drafted higher up and then don't pan out as good, or pan out as "ok"

I mean, Doug McDermott is your stereotypical white guy player, runs around, makes his jumpers (except as a Knick), the bank shots etc. But he was drafted high. Now, Cam, with more athleticism, more shake, but ultimately may not translate until any better player, just different. And that would be a good scenario.

People thinking we got another Paul George, but it could be Dark McDermott.

The only real flyers we took that have worked are Randle and Burks. And both successful flyers have hurt us.

Marcus Morris was a good one

[3toheadmelo]

Cam wanted out of Atlanta because he did not want to be just a spot up shooter. It’s a waste of his development to just make him a 3 and D guy.

I feel like you're not even arguing against what I'm saying, but a strawman version of me where I'm saying he's only a 3-D player and will only ever be a 3-D player

Best case is he ends up like RJ last year

Best at spotting up, but allowed to show flashes of shot creation. Then hopefully his shot creation develops to where he is consistent about it

But we're not a tanking team and we didn't invest significant draft capital into him. Prioritizing his on-ball creation to the detriment of everything else is just something we're not gonna do.

We should give him on ball opportunities. That is why he wanted out of the Hawks because he wanted a bigger role on offense. Why not trade Burks/Fournier and give him those shots? Planting Cam in a corner is just going to make him unhappy and request another trade. So trading for him was a waste of time.

I don't see the RJ comparison at all. RJ never had the creation skills of Cam. You can use stats or whatever to say they're similar but watching them they're completely different. Just like with your Middleton comparison with RJ.. completely different games.

[3toheadmelo]

Cam wanted out of Atlanta because he did not want to be just a spot up shooter. It’s a waste of his development to just make him a 3 and D guy.

I feel like you're not even arguing against what I'm saying, but a strawman version of me where I'm saying he's only a 3-D player and will only ever be a 3-D player

Best case is he ends up like RJ last year

Best at spotting up, but allowed to show flashes of shot creation. Then hopefully his shot creation develops to where he is consistent about it

But we're not a tanking team and we didn't invest significant draft capital into him. Prioritizing his on-ball creation to the detriment of everything else is just something we're not gonna do.

This is correct. Brown and Tatum were able to develop on a winning team by taking a 3&D role. Cam has to show he is a winning player before we give him the green light to take step back shots to his hearts content.

This is how good organizations develop talent

Tatum was never placed on a 3 and D role. Boston let him ISO since day 1 and was one of the biggest reasons why they went to the ECF his rookie year.

[j4remi]

This FO has been pretty conservative. You've gotta seriously overvalue the one lottery protected first-round pick they traded to even make a case that they take risks. Not every move they've made has worked out, but I don't see them blowing up the asset chest for Turner or Fox.

Most likely, they'll do what they did here. Draw a line in the sand at a certain offer and move on if it fails. The Hawks wanted Grimes and got turned down. The Athletic's got a piece that says they were looking for something closer to 10 where they got Cam. No dice on either fronts, so the Knicks got Reddish at a price they were willing to pay.

If they trade for Fox or Turner...it'll be a similar scenario. I'm not particularly fond of cornering the market on scoring lefties that can't shoot consistently and Turner made a lot more sense to me before Mitch got his groove back these past couple of weeks. But I'm not sweating either trade because I figure it'll be reasonable and take a lot of reaches to turn into something more negative than it is. Just like this deal which is most likely to be inconsequential in both directions but had 82 pages and running of back and forth. God I love Knicks fans.

[Triple C]

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