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Re: Knicks Get Reddish per Woj 

Post#1661 » by G_K_F » Fri Jan 14, 2022 8:25 pm

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Well yeah. Nobody wants to play there. Dudes might play inspired to get off that team. We can buy low on disgruntled players

I was at a game at MSG in spring 2019 and Fox absolutely busted the Knicks ass scored 30 something I don’t remember and of course the Kings won. He seemed like he would thrive under the lights of the garden to me.

But whatever let’s develop some g-leaguer or hope the next late 1st rounder becomes a star. A boat’s a boat but a mystery box can be anything. It can even be a boat. You know how much we wanted one of those.


The best teams in this league built through the draft.

They didn't trade all their assets for 'disgruntled' volume scorers and hoped that they can make a first round playoff berth.


The nets are the best team in the league. They had nothing, they traded a first round pick for d’Angelo russell a disgruntled volume scorer on LA, he became an all-star, they made a first round playoff birth barely over .500, then KD and Kyrie came and they traded for harden

Meanwhile in that same time span we “built through the draft” like a small market poverty franchise and got Frank Knox and nothing. They play in the same city we do. We could have done the same thing.


I knew when I made the post you would jump right to the Nets. Really another overly simplistic way to look at something.

The Nets traded Jarrett Allen and Levert + picks to get Harden. Those are guys they drafted and developed. The Nets are also essentially the last team to building through free agency. That doesn't happen anymore. Superstars do not make big moves in free agency anymore.

And the most important note of all - we've tried the free agency route for the better part of a decade. It hasn't worked. Nobody wants to sign here with Dolan running the show.

The Bulls were built primarily through good trades but they had a major signing in Derozan which turned out even better than even the most positive expected it to turn out. However the Bulls ceiling isn't high. They traded 2 firsts for Vucevic so they have to win in the next 3 seasons or they're a bust.

Every team at the top of the conference - Warriors, Bucks, Suns, Grizzlies, Jazz - and even the good teams like 76ers, Cavaliers, Hornets, Raptors, Nuggets, Timberwolves, etc - built through the draft and trades.

We've never built through the daft. We have always half-assed every rebuild. Having terrible decision makers like Perry/Mills draft Frank and Knox should not be the reason why you don't build through the draft. It's an incredibly shortsighted and slanted way to look at the situation.
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Re: Knicks Get Reddish per Woj 

Post#1662 » by blueNorange » Fri Jan 14, 2022 8:25 pm

F N 11 wrote:Management spoke to RJ about Cam before the trade. :o

was just gonna post this, this is big

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Re: Knicks Get Reddish per Woj 

Post#1663 » by thebuzzardman » Fri Jan 14, 2022 8:26 pm

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3toheadmelo wrote:Cam is a creator. Right now and always has been. He’s just inconsistent at making shots. That’s all it is.

Inconsistent is synonymous with bad in the NBA

You can argue semantics, and that's really all it is at this point

He might have potential to create, but his best role for now is 3-D. Have him focus on what he's best at, while developing the rest of his game slowly

It really isn't too dissimilar from RJ's development. Just RJ is better right now while Reddish arguably has more potential due to his size and athleticism over RJ.

Cam wanted out of Atlanta because he did not want to be just a spot up shooter. It’s a waste of his development to just make him a 3 and D guy.


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Re: Knicks Get Reddish per Woj 

Post#1664 » by mpharris36 » Fri Jan 14, 2022 8:27 pm

j4remi wrote:This FO has been pretty conservative. You've gotta seriously overvalue the one lottery protected first-round pick they traded to even make a case that they take risks. Not every move they've made has worked out, but I don't see them blowing up the asset chest for Turner or Fox.

Most likely, they'll do what they did here. Draw a line in the sand at a certain offer and move on if it fails. The Hawks wanted Grimes and got turned down. The Athletic's got a piece that says they were looking for something closer to 10 where they got Cam. No dice on either fronts, so the Knicks got Reddish at a price they were willing to pay.

If they trade for Fox or Turner...it'll be a similar scenario. I'm not particularly fond of cornering the market on scoring lefties that can't shoot consistently and Turner made a lot more sense to me before Mitch got his groove back these past couple of weeks. But I'm not sweating either trade because I figure it'll be reasonable and take a lot of reaches to turn into something more negative than it is. Just like this deal which is most likely to be inconsequential in both directions but had 82 pages and running of back and forth. God I love Knicks fans.


I guess my concern would be lets say we can get Turner and Fox for "reasonable prices". But I'm not saying both are awful players. That can help in there specific vacuum.

But lets say we do move some combination of players to land a lineup of.

Fox
Reddish
RJ
Randle
Turner

is it better then what we currently have? Yes

Assuming a decent amount of assets for the group (Obi, Grimes, IQ, maybe some draft capital) go in a trade for those guys.

What is the limit for that lineup above? 2nd round best?

Wouldn't you just rather be OKC or ORL at that point and have some higher potential rookies and maybe hit a homerun in the lottery?
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Re: Knicks Get Reddish per Woj 

Post#1665 » by thebuzzardman » Fri Jan 14, 2022 8:27 pm

Jeffrey wrote:
poeman wrote:Heard Reddish is out with a sprained ankle :banghead:


Man just saw that. He's been out 33% of his career.


That means:

a) Less wear & tear
b) He's had less time to develop, so it's possible he could be star!

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Post#1666 » by F N 11 » Fri Jan 14, 2022 8:29 pm

Thibs didn’t really say he won’t play. Sound like Thibs just playing it off.
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Re: Knicks Get Reddish per Woj 

Post#1667 » by thebuzzardman » Fri Jan 14, 2022 8:30 pm

Chanel Bomber wrote:Hating Randle and wanting Fox doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.

Besides the fact Fox simply hasn't been given the opportunity to disappoint Knicks fans and fall short of their expectations.


The Randle disappointment is getting stale. I need some fresh disappointment.

See Knox, Kevin and Reddish, Cam.
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Re: Knicks Get Reddish per Woj 

Post#1668 » by blueNorange » Fri Jan 14, 2022 8:31 pm

obi
rj
reddish
grimes
iq

that should be their main lineup, absolutely no stench of randle -- robinson is the first player off the bench.
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Post#1669 » by F N 11 » Fri Jan 14, 2022 8:33 pm

GreatWhiteStiff wrote:I'm a bit slow and not a huge follower of the knicks, but ... you have grimes. Why do you need reddish? Don't they do the same thing? Is reddish a superior grimes that the knicks desperately need? I mean I do understand you can have multiple guys with similar skillsets...but why the need for reddish?

Honestly there is probably something I am missing.

Yes, Fournier is up outta here and we had no 6’8 plus mobile guys to guard annoying stretch 4s and taller 3s.
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Post#1670 » by WajaBawl » Fri Jan 14, 2022 8:35 pm

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Post#1671 » by Capn'O » Fri Jan 14, 2022 8:35 pm

Well. Grimes ain't going anywhere.
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Re: Knicks Get Reddish per Woj 

Post#1672 » by thebuzzardman » Fri Jan 14, 2022 8:37 pm

GreatWhiteStiff wrote:I'm a bit slow and not a huge follower of the knicks, but ... you have grimes. Why do you need reddish? Don't they do the same thing? Is reddish a superior grimes that the knicks desperately need? I mean I do understand you can have multiple guys with similar skillsets...but why the need for reddish?

Honestly there is probably something I am missing.


Grimes is 6'4" and plays like a guard
Cam is 6'8" and can guard taller SF's

IQ and Grimes overlap in one way. IQ and Burks overlap in another. Burks and Grimes overlap, RJ and Fournier, RJ and Cam etc etc etc

It's about getting taller, more athletic, more potential talent and building up some redundancy of ability so a future trade where assets go out, a logical, decent team is still left over.
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Post#1673 » by Capn'O » Fri Jan 14, 2022 8:37 pm

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This is time for Thibs to beat the chuck out of him acclimate him to our offensive and defensive systems.
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Re: Knicks Get Reddish per Woj 

Post#1674 » by Jeffrey » Fri Jan 14, 2022 8:40 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:
Jeffrey wrote:
poeman wrote:Heard Reddish is out with a sprained ankle :banghead:


Man just saw that. He's been out 33% of his career.


That means:

a) Less wear & tear
b) He's had less time to develop, so it's possible he could be star!

:D


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Post#1675 » by DaGawd » Fri Jan 14, 2022 8:46 pm

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Post#1676 » by Im Coming Home » Fri Jan 14, 2022 8:48 pm

sogood wrote:Yeeesh 82 pages in one day for Cam **** Reddish?

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Re: Knicks Get Reddish per Woj 

Post#1677 » by Guano » Fri Jan 14, 2022 8:48 pm

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NoDopeOnSundays wrote:I don't get why people want Turner, he's not some sniper from 3, we should have just kept Bobby if all you want from the C spot is 3s. Why don't we move Nerlens, and make a run at Mo Bamba this offseason if you want a center that can shoot.


We should have kept Bobby. For sure.


no we shouldn't have. and we shouldn't have signed noel or extended randle or signed fournier or kemba or anything else anyone is suggesting in here either. i really do hate you all, i'm not kidding this time. you're horrible people. you deserve to lose in the play-in every year.


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Re: Knicks Get Reddish per Woj 

Post#1678 » by K_ick_God » Fri Jan 14, 2022 8:50 pm

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thebuzzardman wrote:I want to like the Cam trade and there's a chance it will work out.

But I recall similar sentiments for Mudiay, who I didn't like (but I was probably too invested in fellow future bust Frank) and also Super Mario, who I also convinced myself that his skills and athleticism might play with a 2nd chance.

It probably won't work out, but I don't the team taking the chance. But lots of guys get drafted higher up and then don't pan out as good, or pan out as "ok"

I mean, Doug McDermott is your stereotypical white guy player, runs around, makes his jumpers (except as a Knick), the bank shots etc. But he was drafted high. Now, Cam, with more athleticism, more shake, but ultimately may not translate until any better player, just different. And that would be a good scenario.

People thinking we got another Paul George, but it could be Dark McDermott.


The only real flyers we took that have worked are Randle and Burks. And both successful flyers have hurt us.


Marcus Morris was a good one


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Re: Knicks Get Reddish per Woj 

Post#1679 » by WargamesX » Fri Jan 14, 2022 8:50 pm

3toheadmelo wrote:
GreatWhiteStiff wrote:I'm a bit slow and not a huge follower of the knicks, but ... you have grimes. Why do you need reddish? Don't they do the same thing? Is reddish a superior grimes that the knicks desperately need? I mean I do understand you can have multiple guys with similar skillsets...but why the need for reddish?

Honestly there is probably something I am missing.

Reddish is the superior scorer and is a wing. Grimes is a combo guard.


I don't know. I actually think Cam needs to tone his game down and play more like Grimes. Flipside the real value comes in regards to versatility. RJ can be matched against SG or SF a little bit easier depending on the match up.

Grimes at SG
RJ at SF

RJ at SG
Cam at SF

Physically Cam has the body to be a plus defender, shoot 3's, pass and drive to the basket. Same thing as Grimes, but they can let RJ not have to focus on the toughest assignments and force teams to put certain guys on RJ defensively that can let Thibs mess more with mismatches.

The only thing neither does that would be helpful is just act as a cutter/offball threat. They are both pretty good at being open 3 pt shooters, but imagine if they actively moved around and used their gravity to open up driving lanes or get open themselves.
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Re: Knicks Get Reddish per Woj 

Post#1680 » by evevale » Fri Jan 14, 2022 8:52 pm

Jeffrey wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:
Jeffrey wrote:
Man just saw that. He's been out 33% of his career.


That means:

a) Less wear & tear
b) He's had less time to develop, so it's possible he could be star!

:D


God dammit... an optimistic post on a Knicks board. I need to take a break.

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