How impressive is giannis' ring/season?

[dhsilv2]

Top3 no, not a chance. It's locked between Dirk, Hakeem and Giannis.
Top5 yes, he may have a case.
Ginobili was the best player not playing in the NBA by a comfortable margin and i think it showed the moment he stepped his foot on an NBA court. Agreed about Parker tho.

Hard disagree on this. Manu was good but he played 20mpg in the regular season and 27mpg in the play-offs. He averaged 7.6 ppg on 44% from the field in the regular season and 9.4 ppg on 39% from the field in the play-offs. How you can think that is more impactful than two legit All-Star level players in Middleton and Holiday is beyond me.

Dirk in 2011 is arguable as is 94 Hakeem but no other ring comes close to Duncan's 03 campaign.

You act like Spurs were trash.
Mate, Duncan had Pop as coach.
Giannis has Budenholzer.
Coaching was in the same level?

A 37 year old Robinson was still dropping 11/7/2 blocks in the Finals in 26 mins, while shooting 65%.
Brook Lopez as a starting center for the Bucks had 11/5/0.7 with 48% in the same minutes.

Parker wasn't a star but he still had 14/4/4 with 42% from 3 in the Finals.

I don't know what's exactly beyond you. It's just an opinion. It doesn't weigh more than yours.

Who quotes finals stats in 2003 when the finals were a forgone thing...

[MrBigShot]

Like 6 to 7/10. A crap ton of injuries and he had a great supporting cast, but still impressive nonetheless.

[mediocrityrules]

Well, his team won the last two games in the ECF without him so that should be a clue about the overall level of competition he faced.

Giannis had an impressive finals and people may overrate the run a bit because of game six. Solid run overall but not going to make any too 10 lists when you consider quality of opponents faced.

But the competition was good when the Hawks eliminated without HC a Sixers team with the best record in the league? Then, suddenly it became bad?
The competition was bad when the Bucks swept a heat team that one year earlier had shocked them easily?
Giannis was averaging 32ppg in the first 5 games. Game6 just took the average to 35.
Whatever. Agree to disagree.

Not just that, but the actual point used about the Bucks winning the last two ECF games without Giannis, fails to mention that the Hawks were without Trae Young in those two games as well. But we know that correct context often destroys a weak narrative, hence why we see it omitted so often.

[CraftylikeaFox]

Giannis is competing against himself from now and on.
Do it again. Win the MVP and DPOY again. In the same season. Be the only one who wins both the accolades in the same season multiple times.
He has the PER record all time. Break it again.
Win the finals MVP again.
Rince. Repeat.
At the age of 26, he won everything. Nobody else did it at his age.
MJ and Hakeem the other two with a complete resume but later than him. Nobody else.
The likes of Shaq, Kobe, Duncan, LeBron, Durant etc never won the DPOY... Giannis did.

Think about that.

Read on Twitter

One of the most impressive rings.
Definitely top5.
1. Hakeem '94
2. Dirk '11
3. Giannis '21
4. Steph '15
5. Isiah '89-'90

Steph's 15 ring being a top 5 ring of all time is a complete reach at best, and utter nonsense at worst. Yes, that team overachieved based on early season projections, but what does that matter? It became evident immediately that Green and Thompson had both leveled up, Green in particular and that they would be major contenders going into the playoffs. Then they run into one of the worst rosters the finals have ever seen in the Cavs and still need 6 games to win. Then to top it off Steph doesn't win finals MVP. It doesn't matter if he should've had it, he didn't get it and that's what the history books will say. There is nothing remotely impressive about Steph and the Warriors winning that finals. The rest of your list is fire, so it's odd that you have such a bad take in there.

[Hobo4President]

That finals performance was ridiculous. One of the best I've seen.

[sasquatchBob]

Not very. He is manufactured entirely by NBA's ridiculous rules and and even more ridiculous reffing which bends those rules even further to create stars based on the whims of the commish.

Anyone who has ever watched Giannis to play FIBA knows that he cannot play basketball.

FIBA there's no gather. That's the difference.

[John Murdoch]

Giannis is competing against himself from now and on.
Do it again. Win the MVP and DPOY again. In the same season. Be the only one who wins both the accolades in the same season multiple times.
He has the PER record all time. Break it again.
Win the finals MVP again.
Rince. Repeat.
At the age of 26, he won everything. Nobody else did it at his age.
MJ and Hakeem the other two with a complete resume but later than him. Nobody else.
The likes of Shaq, Kobe, Duncan, LeBron, Durant etc never won the DPOY... Giannis did.

Think about that.

Read on Twitter

One of the most impressive rings.
Definitely top5.
1. Hakeem '94
2. Dirk '11
3. Giannis '21
4. Steph '15
5. Isiah '89-'90

Duncan in 03 is at least top 3 rings of all-time. Robinson was on his way out, while Manu and Parker weren't stars yet.

O4' pistons as a whole are more impressive

[Infinite Llamas]

Well, his team won the last two games in the ECF without him so that should be a clue about the overall level of competition he faced.

Giannis had an impressive finals and people may overrate the run a bit because of game six. Solid run overall but not going to make any too 10 lists when you consider quality of opponents faced.

But the competition was good when the Hawks eliminated without HC a Sixers team with the best record in the league? Then, suddenly it became bad?
The competition was bad when the Bucks swept a heat team that one year earlier had shocked them easily?
Giannis was averaging 32ppg in the first 5 games. Game6 just took the average to 35.
Whatever. Agree to disagree.

Not just that, but the actual point used about the Bucks winning the last two ECF games without Giannis, fails to mention that the Hawks were without Trae Young in those two games as well. But we know that correct context often destroys a weak narrative, hence why we see it omitted so often.

I honestly forgot that Young missed one of the games. He played in game 6 but he was pretty terrible in it, which was kind of to be expected.

[Infinite Llamas]

Giannis is competing against himself from now and on.
Do it again. Win the MVP and DPOY again. In the same season. Be the only one who wins both the accolades in the same season multiple times.
He has the PER record all time. Break it again.
Win the finals MVP again.
Rince. Repeat.
At the age of 26, he won everything. Nobody else did it at his age.
MJ and Hakeem the other two with a complete resume but later than him. Nobody else.
The likes of Shaq, Kobe, Duncan, LeBron, Durant etc never won the DPOY... Giannis did.

Think about that.

Read on Twitter

One of the most impressive rings.
Definitely top5.
1. Hakeem '94
2. Dirk '11
3. Giannis '21
4. Steph '15
5. Isiah '89-'90

I hate tweets like that because even though they are true in a literal sense, Jordan was leading his team a National championship in that same time span. It’s very irresponsible to career seasons played and not the age. Jordan and Duncan looks a lot more decorated after eight seasons played. But I get the point these tweets want to make.

[Swish1906]

Giannis is competing against himself from now and on.
Do it again. Win the MVP and DPOY again. In the same season. Be the only one who wins both the accolades in the same season multiple times.
He has the PER record all time. Break it again.
Win the finals MVP again.
Rince. Repeat.
At the age of 26, he won everything. Nobody else did it at his age.
MJ and Hakeem the other two with a complete resume but later than him. Nobody else.
The likes of Shaq, Kobe, Duncan, LeBron, Durant etc never won the DPOY... Giannis did.

Think about that.

Read on Twitter

One of the most impressive rings.
Definitely top5.
1. Hakeem '94
2. Dirk '11
3. Giannis '21
4. Steph '15
5. Isiah '89-'90

Duncan in 03 is at least top 3 rings of all-time. Robinson was on his way out, while Manu and Parker weren't stars yet.

I love Duncan, his 03 finals were insane but i cant put his overall ring that high because there were more than solid chances they lose against the Mavs if Dirk doesnt get injuried

[NO-KG-AI]

It's made even more impressive by the fact that he was knocked from the playoffs in the previous years in part due to flaws in his game, and instead of teaming up with all his friends so that his team was soo good that he didn't have to worry about his flaws, he went back to the drawing board, and he and his team developed a game plan and skill set that allowed him to flourish even against the type of defenses that normally gave him fits.

His development as an off ball guy and his flourishing in being able to switch between ball handler and roll man/off ball threat was SUPER impressive, and doesn't get enough talk. Instead of just blaming his team, he acknowledged that while he wanted the team to add more pieces, he also had to grow and get better. Props to him, super super inspiring tbh.

[Schiltzenberger]

Not very. He is manufactured entirely by NBA's ridiculous rules and and even more ridiculous reffing which bends those rules even further to create stars based on the whims of the commish.

Anyone who has ever watched Giannis to play FIBA knows that he cannot play basketball.

Man, tell us how you really feel!

Wasn't that the point of the thread?
He contributed more than you did.

I agree with him too. When it comes to Giannis' ring I'm like Shania Twain... 'that don't impress me much'.
Giannis has 2 moves, drive with spin or drive with Euro..... both quite often come with an uncalled offensive foul, or travel. He just dominates physically, has never dominated with skill or talent.

Not very. He is manufactured entirely by NBA's ridiculous rules and and even more ridiculous reffing which bends those rules even further to create stars based on the whims of the commish.

Anyone who has ever watched Giannis to play FIBA knows that he cannot play basketball.

I don't like polarized opinions

So what?
People can have any opinion they want, are you the opinion police or do you just feel it necessary to inform everyone of one of your idiosyncrasies?

Both those replies added absolutely nothing to the discussion and I don't like pointless posts, yes that was irony.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

Not very. He is manufactured entirely by NBA's ridiculous rules and and even more ridiculous reffing which bends those rules even further to create stars based on the whims of the commish.

Anyone who has ever watched Giannis to play FIBA knows that he cannot play basketball.

I'm a huge FIBA fan but I don't really see any reason why FIBA is supposed to be correct basketball and NBA wrong basketball, and not the other way round.

FIBA rules favour less athletic players and give them a chance to compete, because that's the kind of players they have in FIBA. And I enjoy watching it personally because it gives teams more strategic options, but that does not necessarily make it right or better or the point of reference for comparing players.

FIBA doesn't favor anyone in particular. It merely favors legitimate basketball skills like being able to dribble without travelling or moving around the court without commiting offensive fouls on every possession.

Reading your posts makes me think you'd absolutely love girls high school basketball in the suburbs. You should check it out.

[WemBA Time]

He had a great finals performance, not just in game 7 but throughout the entire series he was the most dominant player. Last season's suns were not as difficult of a team as some other stars have had to face in the finals but Giannis still still performed at the highest level anyone could expect and it showed. If he "couldn't play" or had no skill he'd be a NBA scrub so obviously some people who don't like his style of play are downplaying his impact. His playmaking especially seems to get overlooked.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

Not very. He is manufactured entirely by NBA's ridiculous rules and and even more ridiculous reffing which bends those rules even further to create stars based on the whims of the commish.

Anyone who has ever watched Giannis to play FIBA knows that he cannot play basketball.

Man, tell us how you really feel!

Wasn't that the point of the thread?
He contributed more than you did.

I agree with him too. When it comes to Giannis' ring I'm like Shania Twain... 'that don't impress me much'.
Giannis has 2 moves, drive with spin or drive with Euro..... both quite often come with an uncalled offensive foul, or travel. He just dominates physically, has never dominated with skill or talent.

Not very. He is manufactured entirely by NBA's ridiculous rules and and even more ridiculous reffing which bends those rules even further to create stars based on the whims of the commish.

Anyone who has ever watched Giannis to play FIBA knows that he cannot play basketball.

I don't like polarized opinions

So what?
People can have any opinion they want, are you the opinion police or do you just feel it necessary to inform everyone of one of your idiosyncrasies?

Both those replies added absolutely nothing to the discussion and I don't like pointless posts, yes that was irony.

Great assessment. Just curious but did it bother you that Jordan only had the two moves too? I mean the crossover and the turnaround are good moves but you'd think guys in the goat discussion would have 3 or 4 right?

Kareem and shaq don't get me started. Kareem had the one skyhook thingy and shaq didn't have literally anything besides the hard drop and dunk. Hard to believe anybody even remembers them.

[WhatTheBuck]

It was amazing for many reasons that have already been mentioned, but to summarise:
* He had to overcome what looked like a season ending injury
* He had some of the most iconic finals moments of all time (e.g. the Ayton block, the Valley Oop)
* He had a close out game for the ages
* He overcame some of his perceived weaknesses (e.g. free throws, breaking the wall, jump shooting)
* He showed great leadership and belief in his team (will always remember him pounding his fist and exhorting his team on when they looked lost against Phoenix in the huddle)
* He showed faith in the team that drafted him and didn't seek the easy way out by jumping ship
* He overcame his bogey team in the Miami Heat in convincing fashion, sweeping them off the court

A lot of the above points are more impressive from a personal/subjective point of view rather than being impressive objectively, but I believe you should always judge a person by the distance travelled, and Giannis came a long, long way to achieve what he did. Unforgettable!

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

Well, his team won the last two games in the ECF without him so that should be a clue about the overall level of competition he faced.

Giannis had an impressive finals and people may overrate the run a bit because of game six. Solid run overall but not going to make any too 10 lists when you consider quality of opponents faced.

Bucks had the most wins over the previous 3 year span. They were the obvious champion eventually. The league has been their competition over thar span.

Reason they finally won has more to do with Bud than anything else

[WRau1]

It's got to suck hating on Giannis as hard as some of these idiots in this thread do but then still see him everywhere, in contention for pretty much every award.

[Chad34]

The least impressive ring outside of KD's rings with the Dubs. Literally all contending teams had injuries to their star players last season.

This has never happened. We had the freaking Hawks going to the ECF and the freaking Sun's in the finals. Kawhi's ring with the Raptors means more.

the suns? you mean the team with the best record in the league this year

[art_tatum]

I would say above avg. faced light competition especially Cpchoke. But put up some big numbers and games.