PG: Abysmal

[Ref_from_hell]

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I can't even call this guy glass, that's just an unfortunate injury

What's the recovery process like for that?

Addition through subtraction...

You need a player like Birch. Even if he isn't providing offensively, he's important defensively and rebounding. You need that big body.

[Bankai]

Dont worry next game, Pistons will keep losing to whoever isint the Raptors and the Raptors will keep being a decent team. Never use a game against the Pistons as a gauge. Raptors keep losing to the Bobcats when they were the worst team in the NBA and the Raptors went to the ECF. I wouldnt take much stock from this game. Its annoying to keep losing to the Pistons, but we only face them 3 times out of 82.

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[Tha Cynic]

46-16 that was the the bench game.

Our bench got outscored by 30 points. That's literally the game.

But yes let's all blame the main guys who clearly had off nights after carrying for the past few weeks.

At some point you have to have a guy on your bench who can come in and score. We don't have that. Our bench is terrible. Nobody can hit open shots.

That's compounded when you don't have Trent. Hopefully he's back tomorrow.

Can’t blame this on the bench just cause it was 46-16

Their bench took 34 shots. Ours took 21 shots. Their bench played significantly more minutes. Our bench sucks, but the starters were the reason for this loss just as much as the bench

I don't know why we're even talking bench vs starters. They all sucked. Everything they do was simply exposed.

The Pistons are basically one of if not the worst team in the league and they made the Raptors look terrible.

[C_Money]

Achiuwa has a loooooooong ways to go on offence. I don’t see him being anything more than a backup C.

[Los_29]

46-16 that was the the bench game.

Our bench got outscored by 30 points. That's literally the game.

But yes let's all blame the main guys who clearly had off nights after carrying for the past few weeks.

At some point you have to have a guy on your bench who can come in and score. We don't have that. Our bench is terrible. Nobody can hit open shots.

That's compounded when you don't have Trent. Hopefully he's back tomorrow.

Can’t blame this on the bench just cause it was 46-16

Their bench took 34 shots. Ours took 21 shots. Their bench played significantly more minutes. Our bench sucks, but the starters were the reason for this loss just as much as the bench

I don't know why we're even talking bench vs starters. They all sucked. Everything they do was simply exposed.

The Pistons are basically one of if not the worst team in the league and they made the Raptors look terrible.

We shot 32% from the field tonight. Please enlighten me on how we were exposed? Do you think we will shoot 32% from the field for the rest of the year?

Do you think it was Detroit's plan to let us take wide open threes and miss them?

[Tha Cynic]

this team isnt well coached, we have no bench and no center. tough. not sure why we keep running out at guys like hayes allowed him to get in the paint and create ball movement. remember bledsoe in the playoffs? we used to back off non shooters now we would sprint out at guy in the stand if he had the ball

This. Nurse drives me nuts at times! Without a starting center and decent bench, we are not going anywhere. No point in making the playoffs if that's the case. Hope for a top 10 draft pick and build from there.

I get the sense Nurse is more of a veteran team coach. He needs smarter players on the floor to make his system work and the Raptors don't have a lot of smart players, so they can execute what Nurse wants whether offensively and defensively.

That's also on Nurse to adjust to his team. He can't keep running the same stuff he was running with the championship team which relies heavily on high IQ players.

[raptor jesus]

Surprised you don't see more teams employ the defence the Pistons did tonight. If you switch a lot, the Raps will struggle to create 1 on 1. What's more, the complimentary guys are so bad, defences can bring help without much worry, so it's actually more like 1 on 2 or 3. So even when FVV or OG or Siakm beat the switch, there's another defender or two waiting for them to force a tough shot at the rim or force a kickout to garbage shooters.

Tonight was an indictment on the roster Masai and Bobby together more than anything else imo. Surely this has to be the worst bench in the league? They chipped in 5 buckets tonight, which seems more typical than an outlier. It's comprised of a bunch of guys who are capable of a good game every 1 out of 4 or 5 outings.

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[kj_]

My eyes are burning from that one. Next time I’m feeling too good about my life, I’ll rewatch that to insert a little pain.


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[Tha Cynic]

Can’t blame this on the bench just cause it was 46-16

Their bench took 34 shots. Ours took 21 shots. Their bench played significantly more minutes. Our bench sucks, but the starters were the reason for this loss just as much as the bench

I don't know why we're even talking bench vs starters. They all sucked. Everything they do was simply exposed.

The Pistons are basically one of if not the worst team in the league and they made the Raptors look terrible.

We shot 32% from the field tonight. Please enlighten me on how we were exposed? Do you think we will shoot 32% from the field for the rest of the year?

Do you think it was Detroit's plan to let us take wide open threes and miss them?

Do you know when the Raptors last won a game against the Detroit freakin Pistons?

Some of you have a very simple way of looking at the game.

Oh our bench sucked.

Oh we played fine - we just missed shots.

[Reeko]

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I can't even call this guy glass, that's just an unfortunate injury

What's the recovery process like for that?

He must have a deviated/broken septum if he's getting surgery. Most of the time you just need to ice it or have it manually realigned.

[rapsincr]

since FVV called scottie "our marc gasol" hes shooting like 32% from the field and 1/12 from 3pt range. guess he doesnt like being marc gasol lol.

[DelAbbot]

We aren't tanking unless we trade everyone. It's just like last year just hope the lotto gods bless us if we don't make the playoffs.

that's all I hope for

[pingpongrac]

46-16 that was the the bench game.

Our bench got outscored by 30 points. That's literally the game.

But yes let's all blame the main guys who clearly had off nights after carrying for the past few weeks.

At some point you have to have a guy on your bench who can come in and score. We don't have that. Our bench is terrible. Nobody can hit open shots.

That's compounded when you don't have Trent. Hopefully he's back tomorrow.

Can’t blame this on the bench just cause it was 46-16

Their bench took 34 shots. Ours took 21 shots. Their bench played significantly more minutes. Our bench sucks, but the starters were the reason for this loss just as much as the bench

I don't know why we're even talking bench vs starters. They all sucked. Everything they do was simply exposed.

The Pistons are basically one of if not the worst team in the league and they made the Raptors look terrible.

I think the big thing is our role players/bench players have completely crapped the bed on the offensive end the last two games.

Against the Suns, Siakam+FVV+OG scored 68 of our 95 points on 50 TS% with 13 AST and 9 TOV; the rest of the team scored 27 points on 42 TS% with 2 AST and 5 TOV.

Tonight, Siakam+FVV+OG scored 63 of our 87 points on 51 TS% with 16 AST and 6 TOV (5 by OG); the rest of the team scored 24 points on 32 TS% with 2 AST and 5 TOV.

Siakam, FVV and OG are taking difficult shots and being game-planned for (double teams, entire defensive schemes around not letting FVV get open, etc.) while the rest of the players are generally getting wide open threes and layups/putbacks. I'll give our bench some credit for being good defensively and dominating the glass against Phoenix, but we would have won that game if they gave us any kind of offensive boost outside of shooting ~50% at the rim. Tonight, they weren't good defensively and they were even worse offensively. Against a team like the Pistons -- whose bench is arguably no better than ours on a typical night -- we can't be getting outscored by 30 points off the bench.

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[DelAbbot]

This was to be expected. Going from an empty arena to a raucous 3,000 fans at Little Caesars Arena would be tough for any team. I just hope it doesn't take another game or two to adjust.

10/10

[Mikistan]

Just think, tonight we had:

No starting 2nd guard that could create or shoot
Our starting C got knocked out early
Our bench rotation has no PG, no SG, no real C, and wings that can't shoot

Very flawed lineup.

I think precious is more than capable of handling the center duties without Birch. Even if he is super tunnel vision on offense. It's Gary Trent that we desperately need back

Achiuwa is too selfish. Have you all noticed that him and scottie do not follow each other on Instagram. Scottie and Pascal don't follow each other too.

How do you know this? Can you post screenshots

[Tha Cynic]

Cade and Barnes will be compared for years because they come from the same draft and were HS teammates.... and honestly to start the season Cade was the worse player (perhaps in part from being injured during training camp and preseason), but Cade he's so much more opportunity to handle the ball, make plays, have offense run for him, etc that he is in a situation to improve and develop more during the course of the season.

Of course the work in the offseason will be huge for both players development, but Cade is in the all-in development plan much like rookie LeBron was.... and Barnes is much more a piece of the puzzle for the Raptors being the 4th or 5th option and he is in more of a situation like a rookie Tatum where he's more of a player that just has to fill his role.

It'll certainly be interesting to see how the 2nd half of the season goes for both these guys. Hopefully Barnes becomes more of a focus for the Raptors offense because FVV can get his whenever, but for FVV to really take his game to the next level its about what he can do for guys like Barnes to help him develop. It's what guys like Lowry, Billups, Chris Paul, etc figured out and made them such important pieces to great teams.

Bingo.

As a veteran, one of your main jobs becomes helping your teammates get better, especially when you have one of the youngest teams in the league. A lot of people do not understand this. We already know FVV and Siakam have a great two man game and both can score at will at times. Now how do you bring everyone else into this little chemistry you have going? It's not a matter of asking others to just fall in place and fit in around you.

This team has a ton of young players who are developing and the roster has a ton of players who are not great shooters. As a teammate this is where you use your experience and direct teammates to cut or quickly move the ball so you can get them consistent reps on open shots (Champagnie getting 3 or 4 open looks in one game). This needs to happen more consistently.

While I'm not a big fan of LeBron James' personality, one thing I respect about his game is how consistent he is with trusting his teammates no matter whether they are stars or end of bench players. He will consistently pass the ball and trust them to eventually get it. It always ends up working out in the long run. The teammates no matter how poor they are at shooting come to expect him to pass them the ball for open shots.

This is why the Warriors are so good this year. They let a bunch of young take their reps over the last two seasons and Curry let them all have their moment to fail. Now they are back to being elite. The Raptors are still very poor at consistently moving the ball and trusting that the other person will either pass it back or make a shot eventually. This needs to start with the veterans

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Hopefully scottie gets his health back to 100 percent and we start to see his game come back

[Kingsway_fan]

Raptors will lou tearing into the team...