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Re: Warriors select Jonathan Kuminga with the 7th pick of the 2021 NBA Draft 

Post#861 » by KevinMcreynolds » Fri Dec 31, 2021 5:17 am

DevinVassell wrote:Haliburton for Kuminga - NO
Haliburton for Wiseman - NO

Looking back on this thread in a few years will be fun. Patience grasshoppers.


I think the Kings are going to trade Fox and build around Haliburton anyways
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Re: Warriors select Jonathan Kuminga with the 7th pick of the 2021 NBA Draft 

Post#862 » by TB » Fri Dec 31, 2021 6:20 am

KevinMcreynolds wrote:
DevinVassell wrote:Haliburton for Kuminga - NO
Haliburton for Wiseman - NO

Looking back on this thread in a few years will be fun. Patience grasshoppers.


I think the Kings are going to trade Fox and build around Haliburton anyways


I could see that happening, and maybe they have to do that to get the right forwards. But they actually have a pretty good guard rotation and they all get their minutes. I think the Kings issue is that at the 3/4/5 they are throwing out Holmes, Barnes, Metu, Harkless and whatever else they can find. The Bagley pick was just a colossal disaster.
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Re: Warriors select Jonathan Kuminga with the 7th pick of the 2021 NBA Draft 

Post#863 » by Scoots1994 » Fri Dec 31, 2021 4:33 pm

Haliburton is good, but he doesn't seem like a "build around" piece, but more the sort who can fit around any other star.
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Re: Warriors select Jonathan Kuminga with the 7th pick of the 2021 NBA Draft 

Post#864 » by KevinMcreynolds » Fri Dec 31, 2021 5:16 pm

Scoots1994 wrote:Haliburton is good, but he doesn't seem like a "build around" piece, but more the sort who can fit around any other star.


He's their best option to build around though, he contributes more to winning than Fox and Fox has the bloated contract to boot.
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Re: Warriors select Jonathan Kuminga with the 7th pick of the 2021 NBA Draft 

Post#865 » by ChuckDurn » Fri Dec 31, 2021 5:43 pm

KevinMcreynolds wrote:
DevinVassell wrote:Haliburton for Kuminga - NO
Haliburton for Wiseman - NO

Looking back on this thread in a few years will be fun. Patience grasshoppers.


I think the Kings are going to trade Fox and build around Haliburton anyways

My next door neighbor is part of the Kings’ front office. When Fox was out with COVID recently, I remarked to him (my neighbor) that the Kings’ offense looked much more smooth and flowing with Haliburton running it, and offered to work on some “fake Fox trades” for him. Not surprisingly, I got no response….. ;)
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Re: Warriors select Jonathan Kuminga with the 7th pick of the 2021 NBA Draft 

Post#866 » by Scoots1994 » Fri Dec 31, 2021 5:59 pm

ChuckDurn wrote:
KevinMcreynolds wrote:
DevinVassell wrote:Haliburton for Kuminga - NO
Haliburton for Wiseman - NO

Looking back on this thread in a few years will be fun. Patience grasshoppers.


I think the Kings are going to trade Fox and build around Haliburton anyways

My next door neighbor is part of the Kings’ front office. When Fox was out with COVID recently, I remarked to him (my neighbor) that the Kings’ offense looked much more smooth and flowing with Haliburton running it, and offered to work on some “fake Fox trades” for him. Not surprisingly, I got no response….. ;)


Years ago a friend of mine worked in a major sports agents office as a lesser representative. The players opinion of the Kings organization was ... not positive. It's kind of sad because everybody has been replaced in that front office and coaching staff repeatedly over the years and they just can't seem to "fix" those issues.
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Re: Warriors select Jonathan Kuminga with the 7th pick of the 2021 NBA Draft 

Post#867 » by BongBoyKlay » Sat Jan 1, 2022 4:06 am

Why does Kuminga dunk with two hands a majority of the time? Does he have small hands?

I think he would finish some plays better if he went up with one hand like his dunk against the Suns would’ve been an and one if he went to dunk that with one hand. He has also shown that he has the ability to jump off one or two feet, but he usually only goes up off two feet.
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Re: Warriors select Jonathan Kuminga with the 7th pick of the 2021 NBA Draft 

Post#868 » by Badly Browned » Sat Jan 1, 2022 9:56 pm

BongBoyKlay wrote:Why does Kuminga dunk with two hands a majority of the time? Does he have small hands?

I think he would finish some plays better if he went up with one hand like his dunk against the Suns would’ve been an and one if he went to dunk that with one hand. He has also shown that he has the ability to jump off one or two feet, but he usually only goes up off two feet.


He's shown one handed dunks in the G-League and Summer League, or do you mean being able to palm into one handed gathers like Jordan?

But yeah, I agree though. I feel like some of his attempts these past few weeks could've been one handed dunk attempts.
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Re: Warriors select Jonathan Kuminga with the 7th pick of the 2021 NBA Draft 

Post#869 » by SpreeChokeJob » Sat Jan 1, 2022 10:27 pm

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BongBoyKlay wrote:Why does Kuminga dunk with two hands a majority of the time? Does he have small hands?

I think he would finish some plays better if he went up with one hand like his dunk against the Suns would’ve been an and one if he went to dunk that with one hand. He has also shown that he has the ability to jump off one or two feet, but he usually only goes up off two feet.


He's shown one handed dunks in the G-League and Summer League, or do you mean being able to palm into one handed gathers like Jordan?

But yeah, I agree though. I feel like some of his attempts these past few weeks could've been one handed dunk attempts.


He missed two dunks in a row in the G league. Since then he’s been doing two handed dunks. It doesn’t really matter for him that much because he doesn’t have to leave the floor much to jam it, also there is more area for the defender to foul him with two arms up.
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Re: Warriors select Jonathan Kuminga with the 7th pick of the 2021 NBA Draft 

Post#870 » by shazam_guy » Sat Jan 1, 2022 11:45 pm

Write him a letter. "Dear Jonathan, please dunk with one hand and off one foot." I'm sure that'll do it.

At the very least, he'll be thrilled to have some fan advice.
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Post#871 » by HiRez » Sat Jan 1, 2022 11:52 pm

I actually like that he's using 2 hands. More stability, more arms to foul against, and gives him the option to move the ball with either hand if he needs to change it up in mid-air.
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Post#872 » by watch1958 » Sun Jan 2, 2022 12:33 pm

He’s copying Kobe.
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Post#873 » by SpreeChokeJob » Sun Jan 2, 2022 4:21 pm

watch1958 wrote:He’s copying Kobe.


Not necessarily a good thing. He needs not develop Mambtard’s tunnel vision. When he commits to his drive he needs an option to pull out if the defense changes. Gobert recognized he was going in and sagged off his man to double team and contest his drive. For him, the only person that can stop him is the opposing center and so far he can’t recognize where they are on the floor.

He’s good enough to draw the double team, but no one is drawing a scheme where there is some outside cutter where he can pass to when he is in trouble. They can use his drives to get open threes when others to sag in for help.
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Re: Warriors select Jonathan Kuminga with the 7th pick of the 2021 NBA Draft 

Post#874 » by SpreeChokeJob » Sun Jan 2, 2022 4:52 pm

It’s been three games in a row. Figured someone from the coaching staff would mention to him to pay attention to where the center is. McGee blocked him from behind. Jokic met him at the rim. Gobert left his man to challenge him on his drive. He is getting double teamed but they are not using that gift to exploit because there is nothing planned.

They can level the other team with inside out plays. Or outside in. Or try it twice and the defense won’t know who to guard.
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Re: Warriors select Jonathan Kuminga with the 7th pick of the 2021 NBA Draft 

Post#875 » by Scoots1994 » Sun Jan 2, 2022 4:59 pm

He dunks one handed and jumps off one foot. Him choosing to dunk with 2 hands and jumping off of 2 feet too shows that he's capable of either. That's good. Jumping off of one foot is faster but less powerful. One handed dunks have better range but less control and power. It's good to have those tools when they are needed.
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Post#876 » by wco81 » Sat Jan 15, 2022 2:39 am

His 3-point stroke is looking nice, seems more compact.

He even showed a nice teardrop/jump hook with Vucevic on his hip.

Good sign of a lot of repetition in practice, building that muscle memory.

At lower levels, he didn't have to use much finesse shots because he was quicker and more explosive than players trying to defend him.

He's going to have to develop some skill and craftiness going against bigger, stronger, more athletic players than he has been used to going against.

Still when he goes downhill, he seems to move much faster than other players on the court.

More experience, he will be able to anticipate passes to intercept and also when the paint opens up so he can go downhill.

But the best thing is to run plays where he cuts towards the basket and they get him the ball on the move.

Other thing he could look for is to drive into the defender while doing the Euro step to have them retreat behind the basket and he gets a clean look at the rim. Fox muscled up and does that (though he probably should look more to explode to the hoop like Ja).
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Post#877 » by michaelm » Sat Jan 15, 2022 3:20 am

wco81 wrote:His 3-point stroke is looking nice, seems more compact.

He even showed a nice teardrop/jump hook with Vucevic on his hip.

Good sign of a lot of repetition in practice, building that muscle memory.

At lower levels, he didn't have to use much finesse shots because he was quicker and more explosive than players trying to defend him.

He's going to have to develop some skill and craftiness going against bigger, stronger, more athletic players than he has been used to going against.

Still when he goes downhill, he seems to move much faster than other players on the court.

More experience, he will be able to anticipate passes to intercept and also when the paint opens up so he can go downhill.

But the best thing is to run plays where he cuts towards the basket and they get him the ball on the move.

Other thing he could look for is to drive into the defender while doing the Euro step to have them retreat behind the basket and he gets a clean look at the rim. Fox muscled up and does that (though he probably should look more to explode to the hoop like Ja).

The good thing is that even now in the actual NBA players who are stronger and more athletic than him are hardly plentiful, and he presumably isn’t done growing.
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Re: Warriors select Jonathan Kuminga with the 7th pick of the 2021 NBA Draft 

Post#878 » by WarriorGM » Sat Jan 15, 2022 3:39 am

Looks like the first of many games to come where Kuminga scores the most points.
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Re: Warriors select Jonathan Kuminga with the 7th pick of the 2021 NBA Draft 

Post#879 » by Warriors Analyst » Sat Jan 15, 2022 3:40 am

wco81 wrote:His 3-point stroke is looking nice, seems more compact.

He even showed a nice teardrop/jump hook with Vucevic on his hip.

Good sign of a lot of repetition in practice, building that muscle memory.

At lower levels, he didn't have to use much finesse shots because he was quicker and more explosive than players trying to defend him.

He's going to have to develop some skill and craftiness going against bigger, stronger, more athletic players than he has been used to going against.

Still when he goes downhill, he seems to move much faster than other players on the court.

More experience, he will be able to anticipate passes to intercept and also when the paint opens up so he can go downhill.

But the best thing is to run plays where he cuts towards the basket and they get him the ball on the move.

Other thing he could look for is to drive into the defender while doing the Euro step to have them retreat behind the basket and he gets a clean look at the rim. Fox muscled up and does that (though he probably should look more to explode to the hoop like Ja).


Kuminga's best thee tonight came when he hopped into the shot from catch. Doesn't seem like he's good at getting a repeatable motion from a standstill just yet.
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Re: Warriors select Jonathan Kuminga with the 7th pick of the 2021 NBA Draft 

Post#880 » by Quazza » Sat Jan 15, 2022 3:54 am

Mentioned it in the GT but what really stands out to me is his jumping. Ok yes he can jump high, but how quickly he gets up is not normal

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