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Re: PG: Abysmal 

Post#141 » by Ref_from_hell » Sat Jan 15, 2022 3:37 am

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You know there's a reason their bench logged more minutes right? I wonder if you can figure it out.


is it because they forced Fred to miss almost as many shots as our entire bench?


First of all, look at the shots FVV is taking compared to the looks the bench players are getting. FVV is taking off the dribble threes and pull-up jumpers most of the time while the bench almost exclusively got open threes and layups. IIRC, the only shot from the bench that wasn't a wide open three or layup was Achiuwa's terrible midrange shot he jacked up after dribbling the ball near the baseline for a few seconds.

Second, FVV -- with all of his shooting struggles -- still put up 24/5/10 with 2 steals and 0 turnovers. Our entire bench gave us 16 points and 0 assists with a couple of steals and blocks plus 4 turnovers.


With Gary Trent out, Fred gets even more attention. Detroit made him feel uncomfortable most of this game. Every team is game planning for him now. You need your support players to provide something. They aren't doing that. They are providing close to nothing.
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Re: PG: Abysmal 

Post#142 » by Tha Cynic » Sat Jan 15, 2022 3:39 am

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PrinceAli wrote:Can’t blame this on the bench just cause it was 46-16

Their bench took 34 shots. Ours took 21 shots. Their bench played significantly more minutes. Our bench sucks, but the starters were the reason for this loss just as much as the bench


I don't know why we're even talking bench vs starters. They all sucked. Everything they do was simply exposed.

The Pistons are basically one of if not the worst team in the league and they made the Raptors look terrible.


I think the big thing is our role players/bench players have completely crapped the bed on the offensive end the last two games.

Against the Suns, Siakam+FVV+OG scored 68 of our 95 points on 50 TS% with 13 AST and 9 TOV; the rest of the team scored 27 points on 42 TS% with 2 AST and 5 TOV.

Tonight, Siakam+FVV+OG scored 63 of our 87 points on 51 TS% with 16 AST and 6 TOV (5 by OG); the rest of the team scored 24 points on 32 TS% with 2 AST and 5 TOV.

Siakam, FVV and OG are taking difficult shots and being game-planned for (double teams, entire defensive schemes around not letting FVV get open, etc.) while the rest of the players are generally getting wide open threes and layups/putbacks. I'll give our bench some credit for being good defensively and dominating the glass against Phoenix, but we would have won that game if they gave us any kind of offensive boost outside of shooting ~50% at the rim. Tonight, they weren't good defensively and they were even worse offensively. Against a team like the Pistons -- whose bench is arguably no better than ours on a typical night -- we can't be getting outscored by 30 points off the bench.

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This is not going to change. The Raptors are a developing team and they have a young roster. Teams with better rosters will start game planning for the Raptors. The only way this team will really get better is if they keep playing together and grow as a team. The offensive team chemistry isn't there. We got a bit spoiled watching it for a few seasons under Nurse, but it's taking a lot longer than I expected this season with this collection of players.

I'm still waiting for that time when I won't be shocked to see two or three possessions in a row when a Raptor player gets a wide open shot.
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Re: PG: Abysmal 

Post#143 » by Kingsway_fan » Sat Jan 15, 2022 3:39 am

Precious Is so low iq.... i dont know where we go with this player
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Re: PG: Abysmal 

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Re: PG: Abysmal 

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Re: PG: Abysmal 

Post#146 » by johanliebert » Sat Jan 15, 2022 4:04 am

Kingsway_fan wrote:Raptors will lou tearing into the team...

That stuff gets old this team deserves a better post game show and content. Will Lou has never hooped in his life and has all the excuses for Yuta.
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Post#147 » by bape_lovers » Sat Jan 15, 2022 4:06 am

So you wanna trade Barnes too?

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RaptorPride wrote:We aren't tanking unless we trade everyone. It's just like last year just hope the lotto gods bless us if we don't make the playoffs.


that's all I hope for
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Re: PG: Abysmal 

Post#148 » by bstein14 » Sat Jan 15, 2022 4:06 am

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Pooh_Jeter wrote:This was to be expected. Going from an empty arena to a raucous 3,000 fans at Little Caesars Arena would be tough for any team. I just hope it doesn't take another game or two to adjust.


10/10


In the postgame they mentioned that it was all the Toronto Raptors fans that were chanting MVP during the Trey Lyles FT attempts.
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Re: PG: Abysmal 

Post#149 » by DelAbbot » Sat Jan 15, 2022 4:07 am

bape_lovers wrote:So you wanna trade Barnes too?

DelAbbot wrote:
RaptorPride wrote:We aren't tanking unless we trade everyone. It's just like last year just hope the lotto gods bless us if we don't make the playoffs.


that's all I hope for


did even you read my post and highlight? I'm against blowing it up.
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Re: PG: Abysmal 

Post#150 » by Los_29 » Sat Jan 15, 2022 4:10 am

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I don't know why we're even talking bench vs starters. They all sucked. Everything they do was simply exposed.

The Pistons are basically one of if not the worst team in the league and they made the Raptors look terrible.


We shot 32% from the field tonight. Please enlighten me on how we were exposed? Do you think we will shoot 32% from the field for the rest of the year?

Do you think it was Detroit's plan to let us take wide open threes and miss them?


Do you know when the Raptors last won a game against the Detroit freakin Pistons?

Some of you have a very simple way of looking at the game.

Oh our bench sucked.

Oh we played fine - we just missed shots.


Wouldn’t the person with a simple way of looking at things be the one overreacting to one game? We’re the Bucks exposed when they lost to Detroit last week?

And no we didn’t play well but it’s safe to say we won’t be shooting 32% from the field for the rest of the year.
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Re: PG: Abysmal 

Post#151 » by pingpongrac » Sat Jan 15, 2022 4:18 am

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I don't know why we're even talking bench vs starters. They all sucked. Everything they do was simply exposed.

The Pistons are basically one of if not the worst team in the league and they made the Raptors look terrible.


I think the big thing is our role players/bench players have completely crapped the bed on the offensive end the last two games.

Against the Suns, Siakam+FVV+OG scored 68 of our 95 points on 50 TS% with 13 AST and 9 TOV; the rest of the team scored 27 points on 42 TS% with 2 AST and 5 TOV.

Tonight, Siakam+FVV+OG scored 63 of our 87 points on 51 TS% with 16 AST and 6 TOV (5 by OG); the rest of the team scored 24 points on 32 TS% with 2 AST and 5 TOV.

Siakam, FVV and OG are taking difficult shots and being game-planned for (double teams, entire defensive schemes around not letting FVV get open, etc.) while the rest of the players are generally getting wide open threes and layups/putbacks. I'll give our bench some credit for being good defensively and dominating the glass against Phoenix, but we would have won that game if they gave us any kind of offensive boost outside of shooting ~50% at the rim. Tonight, they weren't good defensively and they were even worse offensively. Against a team like the Pistons -- whose bench is arguably no better than ours on a typical night -- we can't be getting outscored by 30 points off the bench.

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This is not going to change. The Raptors are a developing team and they have a young roster. Teams with better rosters will start game planning for the Raptors. The only way this team will really get better is if they keep playing together and grow as a team. The offensive team chemistry isn't there. We got a bit spoiled watching it for a few seasons under Nurse, but it's taking a lot longer than I expected this season with this collection of players.

I'm still waiting for that time when I won't be shocked to see two or three possessions in a row when a Raptor player gets a wide open shot.


We generate just as many open shots as other teams. We average 30.7 open threes per game (shooting 36% on those shots mostly because of FVV, OG and GTJ) which is pretty much middle of the pack in the league; Brooklyn (25), Washington (27), San Antonio (27.5), Phoenix (28), Miami (28.5) and Atlanta (29.5) are just a few good offensive teams that are also generally known for ball movement that we are getting more open threes than statistically. We are also near the top of the league in open 2FGA (18 attempts).

The issue is we are leaving a lot of points on the board because players that should be able to hit open looks are struggling. Yuta, Svi and Boucher have combined to shoot 33% on ~8.5 open threes per game while Scottie and Achiuwa have combined to shoot 30% on ~3.5 open threes per game. The overall numbers look better than they actually are too as some individual numbers (like Boucher going 5/7 against the Sixers, Scottie's 10/21 hot streak in late November and Svi starting the year 13/30 but being 22/80 since) are skewed a bit.

We knew shooting was going to be a bit of an issue, but there isn't any excuse for Svi and Boucher to be giving us 2 3FGM at 30% off the bench. They just need to start hitting those shots. The same goes for Yuta to a lesser extent; 19/55 (.345) isn't terrible, but those numbers should be higher for someone who takes most of his shots from the corners and is always left wide open.
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Re: PG: Abysmal 

Post#152 » by Son Goku 25 » Sat Jan 15, 2022 4:19 am

Pooh_Jeter wrote:This was to be expected. Going from an empty arena to a raucous 3,000 fans at Little Caesars Arena would be tough for any team. I just hope it doesn't take another game or two to adjust.


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Re: PG: Abysmal 

Post#153 » by Dalek » Sat Jan 15, 2022 4:22 am

Classic trap game loss. Milwaukee tomorrow and we overlooked Detroit. Toronto has annoying losses and this is one of them.

Cade looked great.
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Re: PG: Abysmal 

Post#154 » by mrdressup » Sat Jan 15, 2022 4:29 am

Kingsway_fan wrote:Precious Is so low iq.... i dont know where we go with this player


We eventually go get hair replacement surgery, that's where. I don't think it's possible to recover from such a deficit of basketball IQ. I can't tell if he' s uninterested or if he just likes playing with both arms hanging straight down.
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Re: PG: Abysmal 

Post#155 » by Reeko » Sat Jan 15, 2022 4:30 am

I think Casey is starting to go senile on us. Here's a quote of his post game:

“We are undersized every night, and tonight we had Trey at his size (6-foot-10) going against three 7-footers out there,” Pistons coach Dwane Casey said. “So for him to get us 21 points and seven rebounds is a yeoman performance.”


What 7footers do we have? Do we even have someone over 6'9 on this roster? As far as I'm aware, Lyles is taller than every one of our players.
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Re: PG: Abysmal 

Post#156 » by WaltFrazier » Sat Jan 15, 2022 4:38 am

Tha Cynic wrote:
pingpongrac wrote:
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I don't know why we're even talking bench vs starters. They all sucked. Everything they do was simply exposed.

The Pistons are basically one of if not the worst team in the league and they made the Raptors look terrible.


I think the big thing is our role players/bench players have completely crapped the bed on the offensive end the last two games.

Against the Suns, Siakam+FVV+OG scored 68 of our 95 points on 50 TS% with 13 AST and 9 TOV; the rest of the team scored 27 points on 42 TS% with 2 AST and 5 TOV.

Tonight, Siakam+FVV+OG scored 63 of our 87 points on 51 TS% with 16 AST and 6 TOV (5 by OG); the rest of the team scored 24 points on 32 TS% with 2 AST and 5 TOV.

Siakam, FVV and OG are taking difficult shots and being game-planned for (double teams, entire defensive schemes around not letting FVV get open, etc.) while the rest of the players are generally getting wide open threes and layups/putbacks. I'll give our bench some credit for being good defensively and dominating the glass against Phoenix, but we would have won that game if they gave us any kind of offensive boost outside of shooting ~50% at the rim. Tonight, they weren't good defensively and they were even worse offensively. Against a team like the Pistons -- whose bench is arguably no better than ours on a typical night -- we can't be getting outscored by 30 points off the bench.

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This is not going to change. The Raptors are a developing team and they have a young roster. Teams with better rosters will start game planning for the Raptors. The only way this team will really get better is if they keep playing together and grow as a team. The offensive team chemistry isn't there. We got a bit spoiled watching it for a few seasons under Nurse, but it's taking a lot longer than I expected this season with this collection of players.

I'm still waiting for that time when I won't be shocked to see two or three possessions in a row when a Raptor player gets a wide open shot.


Teams are sagging off on our big 3, knowing we have guys who can't shoot. It's not so much chemistry as, some guys can't shoot. Playing together, growing as a team, development - all sounds good, but the guys who can't shoot won't shoot any better next year. As you said they are getting wide open shots. They should be able to hit them, young or not, or else we should have acquired different guys, who can shoot threes, instead.
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Re: PG: Abysmal 

Post#157 » by WaltFrazier » Sat Jan 15, 2022 4:42 am

Dalek wrote:Classic trap game loss. Milwaukee tomorrow and we overlooked Detroit. Toronto has annoying losses and this is one of them.

Cade looked great.


How could the team overlook Detroit, when so many realgmers were warning about how Casey always gets the Pistons up for us, this is his championship, etc.?
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Re: PG: Abysmal 

Post#158 » by Son Goku 25 » Sat Jan 15, 2022 4:52 am

Strange season.

At times you think this team has it in them to make some noise in the playoffs. Then you see them perform like this with all of their weaknesses exposed in a magnifying glass thanks to The Legend Casey and you think they are lottery bound.
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Post#159 » by Jadoogar » Sat Jan 15, 2022 4:53 am

Dalek wrote:Classic trap game loss. Milwaukee tomorrow and we overlooked Detroit. Toronto has annoying losses and this is one of them.

Cade looked great.


Nah we can't excuse every terrible performance like this. Bucks tomorrow is a guaranteed loss and we face a fully healthy Miami team after that. Can't be giving away games like this.

That 6 game win streak is going to be essentially erased.
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Re: PG: Abysmal 

Post#160 » by BD006 » Sat Jan 15, 2022 4:53 am

We had a full team for a whole 4 games (Knicks, Spurs, Bucks, Jazz) before starting to lose players again (GTJ, Scottie, Birch)

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