Last Train to Celticsville Trade Thread

[ILC]

Is Barnes supposed to play the 3 and 4 given the opportunity? Are we thinking Grondo, Brown,Barnes,Tatum,RW as starting 5 ?

Whats a grondo?

German Rondo I think, aka Schroder.

Can we please stop insulting Rondo with comparisons to bums like Schroder or Simmons?

[Feed Your Head]

Whats a grondo?

German Rondo I think, aka Schroder.

Can we please stop insulting Rondo with comparisons to bums like Schroder or Simmons?

Simmons is one thing, but Schroder isn’t even close.

[Curmudgeon]

Well, Snowman, I'm not going to replicate your very long post but that's a good rearrangement of the deck chairs. But it probably won't make much difference when it comes to wins and losses. The question is what you can do to make the J's play differently and less selfishly--less dribbling and more moving without the ball. Otherwise, it's just background noise.

Udoka has called them out. Smart has called them out. Horford has called them out. Nothing has changed.

[Half-Full]

Thomas needs to be released from the 2 - way. He has yet to make a 3 pointer this season as a guard. Just pathetic. Why in the world does he get minutes and Hauser can't see the floor?

Thomas has appeared in 7 games for the Celtics. In those games he has AVERAGED 4 MINUTES OF PLAYING TIME, and averaged less than one 3-point shot per game. True, he hasn't made a single 3-point shot, but the sample is tiny. His G-League stats provide a bit more to go on, 22 games averaging 32.6 minutes, and a 42% 3-point average. All told, not a lot to go on, however, it makes no sense to call for his release based on the few minutes of playing time he has seen with the Celtics.

[Curmudgeon]

Grant Williams ranks 20th in the NBA in three point percentage but 160th in the NBA in three point attempts. Can anyone explain why that is? (Yes, it's a rhetorical question).

[Fencer reregistered]

Do not see the point in making any big trades...

First move to make is to fire Udoka but that will not happen for at least another season...

So, just trade Schröder for a 2nd rounder and that is it...this team is not going anywhere anyway...

Why wait? After 43 games we can see this season is lost. The best scenario is losing in the first round of the playoffs, most likely someone will eliminate us in the play in.

Don´t see the point in waiting now.

With Udoka as head coach we are going nowhere...besides, he like veterans, he is terrible at developing (playing) young guys, so if we make any trades by the deadline it will be shipping out Nesmith, Langford etc. for some veteran help...and we will still at best make it to the first round...

I can think of two counterexamples, both named Williams.

[Fencer reregistered]

I am also intrigued by our supposed interest in Simmons. Who would say no to this, Philly or us? :

Brown and Juancho to 76ers
Simmons and Seth Curry to Celtics

We do.

[Fencer reregistered]

My version of Bohemian's trade would be Barnes, Halliburton and Davion Mitchell for Tatum and Schroder. If they won't part with Mitchell I'll throw in Freedom and take back Richaun Holmes.

Then I would try to move Brown elsewhere, e.g. to Houston for Jalen Green, Usman Garuba and filler (Theis or Augustin)

Just checking: Was that post remotely serious?

[Fencer reregistered]

all right guys, here are some simple facts as I see them, and then a few ideas I have at the end.

Facts:
1) Boston is NOT going to fire Ime after just one year. The PR hit the owners and team would take would be too great. Besides, I don't think it is all Ime's fault. He is just working with what he has been given. Brad needs to make some moves for help. The owners are not going to let hm punt the season until next year until there is no hope of playoffs.
2) Tatum and Brown are creating more TO's because the coach, and all of us, wants them to be creators in the offense, and they are trying to do that. It is a work in progress. Going from ISO ball to trying to create offense takes time. Teams know that if you shut down Tatum and Brown, there really is no one else that can beat you on the Celtics. They are both doubled at end of games to get the ball out of their hands. Stupid passes are a big cause of course, but if it wasn't in the back of their mind to try and get their teammates involved, they may not try bailout passes at times.
3) Tatum and Brown are having less assists mainly because the whole point of the assist is the player receiving the pass has to MAKE the shot. Here in lies the problem. We need shooters and rebounders around Tatum and Brown. Horford has lost it; Smart is not a 3-point threat that opposing teams take seriously. Rob is the only other true threat out there. Grant, Pritchard and Richardson are the best we have after Tatum, Brown and Rob.
4) This has been said multiple times before, but we need a real point guard. Not saying Smart has to go, but the team needs a floor general that can hit the 3 consistently, and Smart nor Schroder are not it.
5) Schroder, Hernangomez and Freedom need to be moved. Attach a future 2nd round pick to them and get them off the team. 3 G league players would bring more to the team than those three. Schroder is a ball hog and will not pass the ball or set up the offense like a true point guard does. Hernangomez was supposed to be a shooting big, but he sucks so bad he can't even see the court. When Freedom is on the floor, any lead or momentum we may have gained is lost because of his terrible defense. Pick and roll switch with him and EVERYTHING from foul line out is wide open. On offence, now all he does is try and set picks at the top of the key, but because he is no threat to make a shot, no defense pays him any mind.

ideas for some moves:
Brad needs to make some moves by the deadline, if nothing more than to move the things holding this team back.
1) Schroder and Hernangomez need to be moved in a 3-team trade with Atlanta and OKC. Schroder to Atlanta for a pick, with that pick and Hernangomez going to OKC for a fake 2nd.
2) Freedom should be released. If Schroder and Hernangomez are moved as above, we will be well below the cap to take his minimum salary cap hit.
3) Start Pritchard, Smart, Brown, Tatum and Rob. ENOUGH of these two big line ups. Tatum plays best at the PF slot where he can use his speed against slower PF's. 2nd team should be Richardson, Langford, Nesmith, Grant and Horford.
4) With Freedom, Schroder, Parker and Hernangomez gone, we will have 4 roster spots open. Sign IT4, Joe Johnson, Glen Robinson III, and DeMarcus Cousins to finish out the season as deep bench to go along Bruno Fernando, just for sh@ts and giggles.

That post started great, but it got a little over the top in places.

Best part was when you correctly pointed out that the Jays' are partway through changing their game.

[snowman]

Well, Snowman, I'm not going to replicate your very long post but that's a good rearrangement of the deck chairs. But it probably won't make much difference when it comes to wins and losses. The question is what you can do to make the J's play differently and less selfishly--less dribbling and more moving without the ball. Otherwise, it's just background noise.

Udoka has called them out. Smart has called them out. Horford has called them out. Nothing has changed.

I do apologize for the long post. Had a lot to say, but I do think getting the young guys more time will build some confidence in them so that maybe the Jays will be less reluctant to pass them the ball. It would also set us up better for the off season with the front office having a better understanding about the young guys and which ones to keep or trade.

Really, I just think we keep Tatum, Brown, Rob, PP, Richardson, Grant and Nesmith. Move Horford and a 1st for a starting PG during the summer, and then bring in shooters and rebounders to fill out the roster.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Kings really want Simmons, Philly wants Jaylen, what’s a 3-4 team deal to get us onto and then off the fence? Like, could you live with De’Aaron if we also get x, or is there a fourth team to take Fox..

Any Jaylen trade not for KAT is a sideways move or a step back, but if it’s Fox + two prospects + dumping Horford’s money..

[Andrew McCeltic]

Jaylen for Wiggins / Kuminga I’d do, you take a half step back now to take two forward. Tatum at 25 and Kuminga at 23 will be better than Brown age 25 and Tatum age 23

[Sactowndog]

Well, Snowman, I'm not going to replicate your very long post but that's a good rearrangement of the deck chairs. But it probably won't make much difference when it comes to wins and losses. The question is what you can do to make the J's play differently and less selfishly--less dribbling and more moving without the ball. Otherwise, it's just background noise.

Udoka has called them out. Smart has called them out. Horford has called them out. Nothing has changed.

I do apologize for the long post. Had a lot to say, but I do think getting the young guys more time will build some confidence in them so that maybe the Jays will be less reluctant to pass them the ball. It would also set us up better for the off season with the front office having a better understanding about the young guys and which ones to keep or trade.

Really, I just think we keep Tatum, Brown, Rob, PP, Richardson, Grant and Nesmith. Move Horford and a 1st for a starting PG during the summer, and then bring in shooters and rebounders to fill out the roster.

The top 5 Celtics on catch and shoot 3%.
Grant Williams 43.7%
Josh Richardson 40.4%
Jason Tatum 37.3%
Payton Pritchard 37.3%
Jalen Brown 36.8%

The type 5 Celtics in C&S 3 Pt attempts
Jaylen Brown 5.0
Marcus Smart 3.8
Al Horford 3.8
Josh Richardson 3.2
Jayson Tatum 3.2

Some of the players can shoot but they don’t get enough attempts. I’m not sure Horford and a 1st gets you a starting point. Maybe John Wall.

[Larry_Russell]

Jaylen for Wiggins / Kuminga I’d do, you take a half step back now to take two forward. Tatum at 25 and Kuminga at 23 will be better than Brown age 25 and Tatum age 23

Maybe? But that is still selling short.

Kuminga, wiseman, moody and wiggins for brown and horford is a homerun for both imo.

[Curmudgeon]

My version of Bohemian's trade would be Barnes, Halliburton and Davion Mitchell for Tatum and Schroder. If they won't part with Mitchell I'll throw in Freedom and take back Richaun Holmes.

Then I would try to move Brown elsewhere, e.g. to Houston for Jalen Green, Usman Garuba and filler (Theis or Augustin)

Just checking: Was that post remotely serious?

Quite serious

[Andrew McCeltic]

Jaylen for Wiggins / Kuminga I’d do, you take a half step back now to take two forward. Tatum at 25 and Kuminga at 23 will be better than Brown age 25 and Tatum age 23

Maybe? But that is still selling short.

Kuminga, wiseman and moody for brown is a homerun for both imo.

I’d make that trade but I don’t think GS does. Do the high lotto rookie salaries for JK and JW near-match Jaylen without Wiggins? They’d be paying a lot for an upgrade.. As long as they’re winning I think they keep the young guys, deal them only if you’re getting Giannis, Jokic, Embiid, Towns

[Andrew McCeltic]

My version of Bohemian's trade would be Barnes, Halliburton and Davion Mitchell for Tatum and Schroder. If they won't part with Mitchell I'll throw in Freedom and take back Richaun Holmes.

Then I would try to move Brown elsewhere, e.g. to Houston for Jalen Green, Usman Garuba and filler (Theis or Augustin)

Just checking: Was that post remotely serious?

Quite serious

Are you Jim O’Brien

[Andrew McCeltic]

A shock Towns trade.. MIN resets around Ant.. Edwards/Beasley/Kuminga/Wiseman, another year or two in the tank and they’d be better

[Curmudgeon]

Just checking: Was that post remotely serious?

Quite serious

Are you Jim O’Brien

Which one?

I'd like one of the mods to make the title of the next trade thread "plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose."

[Sactowndog]

Kings really want Simmons, Philly wants Jaylen, what’s a 3-4 team deal to get us onto and then off the fence? Like, could you live with De’Aaron if we also get x, or is there a fourth team to take Fox..

Any Jaylen trade not for KAT is a sideways move or a step back, but if it’s Fox + two prospects + dumping Horford’s money..

From a Celtic standpoint if I were wanting to be involved in a 3 Way for Brown I want the following:

Kings out: Haliburton, Barnes, Thompson
Kings in: Simmons, Pritchard

Celtics out: Brown, Pritchard
Celtics in: Haliburton, Barnes, Philly 1st

Philly out: Simmons, 1st
Philly in: Brown, Thompson (Waived)

I’m not sure the Kings would do this trade but if they would it would be what I want.