Last Train to Celticsville Trade Thread

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Another Big?
Makes the 3 at 25%. Which is better than Enes Freedom.

In general, we could use somebody to be a candidate for serving as Horford's replacement.

[Parliament10]

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Another Big?
Makes the 3 at 25%. Which is better than Enes Freedom.

In general, we could use somebody to be a candidate for serving as Horford's replacement.

Good Point. The Kid doesn't turn 22, until March 16th.

[Curmudgeon]

Old news. Saves 1.4M, that's it. Once again, if the Celtics trade for Jalen Smith they will not be able to pay him more than $4.4M because the Suns declined his rookie option. Someone is going to pay Smith at least the MLE in July, and the Celtics wouldn't have to trade for Smith to do that, assuming the Celtics even have their MLE.

I suppose Phoenix might do it if the Celtics send along enough cash to cover the remainder of Schroder's salary for the year.

If you want a more switchable big to replace Freedom, I doubt if you would have to pay Willie Cauley-Stein more than the veterans minimum, although that doesn't solve the Schroder problem.

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Old news. Saves 1.4M, that's it. Once again, if the Celtics trade for Jalen Smith they will not be able to pay him more than $4.4M because the Suns declined his rookie option. Someone is going to pay Smith at least the MLE in July, and the Celtics wouldn't have to trade for Smith to do that, assuming the Celtics even have their MLE.

I suppose Phoenix might do it if the Celtics send along enough cash to cover the remainder of Schroder's salary for the year.

Despite the similarities in contract situations, it seems like the Cs would be more likely to wind up re-signing Smith after a look at him than they currently are to re-sign Schroeder.

[BostonCouchGM]

IND shouldn't be trying to trade Sabonis unless it's to completely blow it up and start from scratch. He's a really good player. He's what Sengun's ceiling could be so it's weird how so many are high on Sengun but low on Sabonis. Guys that can put up 19-12-5 don't grow on trees. Yes he's a liability on defense but pretty much every center in today's game is. I'm disappointed he hasn't improved his three point shot because that really would have made him an all-star. But even if he stays what he is for the next 5-6 years he's a well above average plug and play 4 or 5 (depending on surrounding talent).

The Duarte pick with so much good young talent on the board will haunt them for years. Who drafts a 24 y/o? Especially if the organization is half a season away from rebuilding if they struggle? Just utter absurdity. Jalen Johnson, Sengun, Kai Jones, Begarin, etc were all primed for them. Young, potential cornerstone guys but they choose the one guy you take if you're looking for that final, ready made piece to help put a contender over the top. It's akin to Danny taking Olynykk over Giannis and Gobert.

So who are these quasi-All-stars IND is being offered? Here's some guesses:

Fox-I think SAC believes they can go forward with combo of Mitchell and Haliburton thus making Fox, who is having a down year and is expensive, available
Miles Bridges-He's a RFA next season and I'm not sure CHA (though they should) want to pay what he'll command when they have Bouknight, Washington and McDaniel to step in. I think they want immediate help to contend right now and Kai Jones isn't ready
Wiggins-With Klay back, and them not quite sure about Wiseman's ability to get healthy and in win-now mode, Sabonis makes a lot of sense. Warriors could attach Moody to sweeten the deal.
Murray-I have always gotten the sense, watching SAS that they like but don't love Dejounte. They have White to protect the tank and really love Primo who is likely starting next season making Murray expendable. Sabonis has the high BBIQ and versatility the Spurs like in bigs.
Siakam-another player I think his team likes but doesn't love. With Barnes' emergence Siakam is very expendable.

if they're in complete rebuild mode and will accept prospects ORL, SAS, NY, OKC, and WA have the prospects and salary matches

Could we get him without Jaylen? Do people want him? I happen to think he'd be an incredible fit next to TimeLord and think we'd fix his shot. Since I want Pritchard and Nesmith free as Ime refuses to play them anyway, and we also have salary matches, it could work.
I guess it depends on whether you believe he can play the 4 and help spacing with an improved 3 pt shot and whether his lack of defense hurts enough where it is a moot exercise as we still won't win a championship so why get into the tax. At least we'd be shaking things up though. I think we'd be top 4 seed in the East with a puncher's chance at reaching ECF

Smart-Schroder
Brown-Langford
Tatum
Sabonis
Williams

question becomes, does IND like a combo of Pritchard, Nesmith, Langford, Begarin and Grant more than other offers?

[Curmudgeon]

Old news. Saves 1.4M, that's it. Once again, if the Celtics trade for Jalen Smith they will not be able to pay him more than $4.4M because the Suns declined his rookie option. Someone is going to pay Smith at least the MLE in July, and the Celtics wouldn't have to trade for Smith to do that, assuming the Celtics even have their MLE.

I suppose Phoenix might do it if the Celtics send along enough cash to cover the remainder of Schroder's salary for the year.

Despite the similarities in contract situations, it seems like the Cs would be more likely to wind up re-signing Smith after a look at him than they currently are to re-sign Schroeder.

Well sure. But to do that they will need either cap space or the full MLE. And they could sign Smith in July whether they trade for him or not. He becomes an unrestricted free agent either way.

[Andrew McCeltic]

1. If Jalen Green is a poor shooter and defender weak on fundamentals, why isn't he attainable?

2. Senguin is nearer to his ceiling right now. I believe that Garuba has the potential to be a much better player 2-3 years down the road. More athletic, huge standing reach, quick on his feet defensively and a better stroke on the jumper.

What? Because Houston's rebuilding, they don't want a 25 year old making 25 million, and they see the potential for Green to continue to get better over time, which you somehow recognize with Garuba but not Brown or Tatum, who have both continued to get better over time.

Brown has gotten better at shooting, but that's it. Tatum has regressed.

Maybe in 3-4 years they will begin to figure it out. Meanwhile, it's 21-22 and last place in the Atlantic Division.

Brown's a better shooter, better ball handler, more diverse repertoire as a scorer.. he started as a better version of Nesmith's type, defense, take corner 3's, attack closeouts. You know that.

The only reason to trade Brown is if you're sure he's about to plateau. Right now he's got a little new car smell left on him and you can project improvement at playmaking and general awareness. If he's hit his ceiling right now and he's valued about that, maybe you pull the trigger on a good offer.

One thing Jaylen doesn't get credit for - some of it's because Tatum draws more attention from defenses, but not all - is putting up his numbers on good percentages.

I think Tatum's improving like Giannis, bit by bit, looks like a second-team all NBA guy but could land above or below. He's bulked up enough that he can finish at the rim, he just has bad offensive habits or is still working to build good ones. The long twos and stepback threes are partly because he's the first option without more help but he also falls back on them. At his best he can make good reads and create for his teammates.

I'd love to see them both get some easy baskets, they didn't do that even with better teammates, and they both should be getting to the line more. Tatum's inconsistent playmaking is encouraging - he's averaging a career high in assists, right? Haven't seen it from Jaylen except the triple double game.

Anyway for most players it takes time - even guys who boom early and draw raves, like Towns, cool off and need time to figure it out. Why do you want to start over with Jalen Green, who's going to take just as much time and hasn't raised his floor as high as Brown's?

If you want to tank and rebuild, you're not even talking about the best targets - Kuminga, Mobley, who Cleveland's going to keep for life if they can, Scottie Barnes, who's not available any more than Green is, Giddey, who makes uncanny superstar reads.

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Old news. Saves 1.4M, that's it. Once again, if the Celtics trade for Jalen Smith they will not be able to pay him more than $4.4M because the Suns declined his rookie option. Someone is going to pay Smith at least the MLE in July, and the Celtics wouldn't have to trade for Smith to do that, assuming the Celtics even have their MLE.

I suppose Phoenix might do it if the Celtics send along enough cash to cover the remainder of Schroder's salary for the year.

Despite the similarities in contract situations, it seems like the Cs would be more likely to wind up re-signing Smith after a look at him than they currently are to re-sign Schroeder.

Well sure. But to do that they will need either cap space or the full MLE. And they could sign Smith in July whether they trade for him or not.

As you frequently remind us, no decision maker for the Celtics shares your ability to infallibly predict a young player's future development based on game tape alone.

Given that mortal fallibility, it seems reasonable to bring a guy inhouse for a few months before making the decision as to whether or not to commit to him.

[Curmudgeon]

Well, if you could get Kuminga and Wiseman for Smart, an unprotected first round pick and Brad Stevens' first born child you would do it. But you can't.

I'd rather take a 5% shot on Victor Wembanyama.

As for Smith, it can't hurt, especially if it's for Schroder.
But you realize that, before any trade overture was made, someone in the Celtics organization studied the film of every minute the kid has played and also did their due diligence on his character, etc. But I suppose it does give you a chance to sell the kid on the organization.

[darrendaye]

Despite the similarities in contract situations, it seems like the Cs would be more likely to wind up re-signing Smith after a look at him than they currently are to re-sign Schroeder.

Well sure. But to do that they will need either cap space or the full MLE. And they could sign Smith in July whether they trade for him or not.

As you frequently remind us, no decision maker for the Celtics shares your ability to infallibly predict a young player's future development based on game tape alone.

Given that mortal fallibility, it seems reasonable to bring a guy inhouse for a few months before making the decision as to whether or not to commit to him.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Old news. Saves 1.4M, that's it. Once again, if the Celtics trade for Jalen Smith they will not be able to pay him more than $4.4M because the Suns declined his rookie option. Someone is going to pay Smith at least the MLE in July, and the Celtics wouldn't have to trade for Smith to do that, assuming the Celtics even have their MLE.

I suppose Phoenix might do it if the Celtics send along enough cash to cover the remainder of Schroder's salary for the year.

Despite the similarities in contract situations, it seems like the Cs would be more likely to wind up re-signing Smith after a look at him than they currently are to re-sign Schroeder.

Well sure. But to do that they will need either cap space or the full MLE. And they could sign Smith in July whether they trade for him or not. He becomes an unrestricted free agent either way.

Getting under the tax is going to take a Juancho salary dump. Schroeder's not coming back next year, swapping him out for a young big with upside who *might* stay is a reasonable move.

I think Smith could come cheap - he had a hot week, great, but Romeo or Nesmith could do that at any point, too. I don't even know if Ime would play him. Depends on how he looks the rest of the season and how free agency plays out.

[Curmudgeon]

Despite the similarities in contract situations, it seems like the Cs would be more likely to wind up re-signing Smith after a look at him than they currently are to re-sign Schroeder.

Well sure. But to do that they will need either cap space or the full MLE. And they could sign Smith in July whether they trade for him or not. He becomes an unrestricted free agent either way.

Getting under the tax is going to take a Juancho salary dump. Schroeder's not coming back next year, swapping him out for a young big with upside who *might* stay is a reasonable move.

I think Smith could come cheap - he had a hot week, great, but Romeo or Nesmith could do that at any point, too. I don't even know if Ime would play him. Depends on how he looks the rest of the season and how free agency plays out.

Yes, that's fair-- so long as he only costs Schroder and some of Wyc's cash.

[Andrew McCeltic]

I would love to know if there are any circumstances where they'd move Horford or use any of the TPEs (or any part of the 17.5 mil one)..

Something for Schroeder, dump Juancho, Jaylen only for a great offer, Smart and Horford only if something falls into our lap.. that's a good gameplan. Big TPE would have to be the last domino, stars align and you go deeper into the tax.

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I would love to know if there are any circumstances where they'd move Horford or use any of the TPEs (or any part of the 17.5 mil one)..

Something for Schroeder, dump Juancho, Jaylen only for a great offer, Smart and Horford only if something falls into our lap.. that's a good gameplan. Big TPE would have to be the last domino, stars align and you go deeper into the tax.

Of course there are. Washington deciding to trade Beal mid-season is an obvious example.

The real question is whether there are any LIKELY circumstances. I lean to No on that one.

[Parliament10]

Well sure. But to do that they will need either cap space or the full MLE. And they could sign Smith in July whether they trade for him or not. He becomes an unrestricted free agent either way.

Getting under the tax is going to take a Juancho salary dump. Schroeder's not coming back next year, swapping him out for a young big with upside who *might* stay is a reasonable move.

I think Smith could come cheap - he had a hot week, great, but Romeo or Nesmith could do that at any point, too. I don't even know if Ime would play him. Depends on how he looks the rest of the season and how free agency plays out.

Yes, that's fair-- so long as he only costs Schroder and some of Wyc's cash.

Smith fits into the Kemba Walker TPE. That may help things.

[Curmudgeon]

The only home I can see for Horford is Houston, in a deal for John Wall.

[Parliament10]

The only home I can see for Horford is Houston, in a deal for John Wall.

Someone else would have to go, too. Wall's making $44.3 this year.

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Another Big?
Makes the 3 at 25%. Which is better than Enes Freedom.

Id do it. Easy decision

[Parliament10]

I would love to know if there are any circumstances where they'd move Horford or use any of the TPEs (or any part of the 17.5 mil one)..

Something for Schroeder, dump Juancho, Jaylen only for a great offer, Smart and Horford only if something falls into our lap.. that's a good gameplan. Big TPE would have to be the last domino, stars align and you go deeper into the tax.

That Big TPE will likely wait 'til the Offseason?
Though, If we Traded Horford for 2 players, on for the Thompson TPE, and another for the Fournier. That might be possible?

[Parliament10]

Sooo. If we Trade for Jalen Smith, we get his Early Rights, right?
He was with them for 2 years.