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Re: Dragic 

Post#41 » by ConSarnit » Sun Jan 16, 2022 12:35 am

Dalek wrote:
Econ101 wrote:"Winning" the deal is not just about the trade on paper.
- Lowry was the best player in franchise history. Getting him to Miami shows the league that we treat our players right. That goodwill is not measurable but is noticed by other players.
- I doubt there was much offered since everyone knew Lowry wanted to play for a contender, who are typically over the cap. Therefore this type of trade needed to be made.
- Dragic's salary allows us flexibility if a trade comes up. It may not materialize but you need to have assets to trade.
- Achiuwa, despite all his flaws, has talent and fits well in our defensive system. Hopefully our coaches can teach him to have a decent shot.

The game is not played in a vacuum, sometimes you have to take swings and hope they pan out. I trust our front office.


This is a dangerous form of rationality. It sounds like Colangelo level gm'ing. Occassionally the FO makes blunders, misjudges the market, and flubs on prospects and it just so happened they hit the trifecta with this one.

Lowry would have went to Miami regardless (maybe he would have made less) and helping a rival get the player they tampered for is just weak. What did it show other players when we dumped Demar for a title chase?

Dragic was supposed to never be a Raptor but all the deals dried up. Now instead of playing him and upping his value we bench him and hope someone wants an $18m guy who hasn't played in months.

Achuiwa is a nothing player at this stage. Birch got hurt and he still only played 24 minutes because no one trusts the guy. He takes dumb soul draining shots and pretty much can only rebound and gamble for steals. Literally every time he touches the ball you can feel Jack holding his breath waiting for a turnover.

If we didn't sign and trade Lowry or sign Birch or waited to sign Trent Jr after signing a few real NBA players we would be in much better shape. I said it at the beginning that if we believe in this core invest in a true bench.

This FO is such a mess. We went from hey this a rebuild season to playing Pascal/FVV/OG 40 minutes to chase wins. What is this team doing at this stage developing or going for 8th?

What is crazy to me is that Masai gets re-signed and joins the Board and now we cannot be a tax paying team. You'd think he would be willing to spend with his new power.


This is a terrible take. Just awful.

Achiuwa has near elite defensive numbers. If his offense becomes even average that’s a good player. He’s also a 2nd year player and is 22.

And you want us to pay the tax?! This might be one of the dumbest arguments I’ve heard on this board. Teams don’t just pay the tax in down years because of the repeater penalties. You make tax payments when you’re ready to contend. Even Colangelo would know that. It makes sense that YOU don’t know that though.

And thinking that we lost respect around the league for dumping Demar? We won a title.

Honestly, are you dense? I can’t believe a post could contain so many dumb statements.
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Re: Dragic 

Post#42 » by SuppaSlick » Sun Jan 16, 2022 12:40 am

ConSarnit wrote:
Dalek wrote:
Econ101 wrote:"Winning" the deal is not just about the trade on paper.
- Lowry was the best player in franchise history. Getting him to Miami shows the league that we treat our players right. That goodwill is not measurable but is noticed by other players.
- I doubt there was much offered since everyone knew Lowry wanted to play for a contender, who are typically over the cap. Therefore this type of trade needed to be made.
- Dragic's salary allows us flexibility if a trade comes up. It may not materialize but you need to have assets to trade.
- Achiuwa, despite all his flaws, has talent and fits well in our defensive system. Hopefully our coaches can teach him to have a decent shot.

The game is not played in a vacuum, sometimes you have to take swings and hope they pan out. I trust our front office.


This is a dangerous form of rationality. It sounds like Colangelo level gm'ing. Occassionally the FO makes blunders, misjudges the market, and flubs on prospects and it just so happened they hit the trifecta with this one.

Lowry would have went to Miami regardless (maybe he would have made less) and helping a rival get the player they tampered for is just weak. What did it show other players when we dumped Demar for a title chase?

Dragic was supposed to never be a Raptor but all the deals dried up. Now instead of playing him and upping his value we bench him and hope someone wants an $18m guy who hasn't played in months.

Achuiwa is a nothing player at this stage. Birch got hurt and he still only played 24 minutes because no one trusts the guy. He takes dumb soul draining shots and pretty much can only rebound and gamble for steals. Literally every time he touches the ball you can feel Jack holding his breath waiting for a turnover.

If we didn't sign and trade Lowry or sign Birch or waited to sign Trent Jr after signing a few real NBA players we would be in much better shape. I said it at the beginning that if we believe in this core invest in a true bench.

This FO is such a mess. We went from hey this a rebuild season to playing Pascal/FVV/OG 40 minutes to chase wins. What is this team doing at this stage developing or going for 8th?

What is crazy to me is that Masai gets re-signed and joins the Board and now we cannot be a tax paying team. You'd think he would be willing to spend with his new power.


This is a terrible take. Just awful.

Achiuwa has near elite defensive numbers. If his offense becomes even average that’s a good player. He’s also a 2nd year player and is 22.

And you want us to pay the tax?! This might be one of the dumbest arguments I’ve heard on this board. Teams don’t just pay the tax in down years because of the repeater penalties. You make tax payments when you’re ready to contend. Even Colangelo would know that. It makes sense that YOU don’t know that though.

And thinking that we lost respect around the league for dumping Demar? We won a title.

Honestly, are you dense? I can’t believe a post could contain so many dumb statements.

Elite defensive numbers? What are the numbers your talking about?
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Re: Dragic 

Post#43 » by ConSarnit » Sun Jan 16, 2022 12:53 am

SuppaSlick wrote:
ConSarnit wrote:
Dalek wrote:
This is a dangerous form of rationality. It sounds like Colangelo level gm'ing. Occassionally the FO makes blunders, misjudges the market, and flubs on prospects and it just so happened they hit the trifecta with this one.

Lowry would have went to Miami regardless (maybe he would have made less) and helping a rival get the player they tampered for is just weak. What did it show other players when we dumped Demar for a title chase?

Dragic was supposed to never be a Raptor but all the deals dried up. Now instead of playing him and upping his value we bench him and hope someone wants an $18m guy who hasn't played in months.

Achuiwa is a nothing player at this stage. Birch got hurt and he still only played 24 minutes because no one trusts the guy. He takes dumb soul draining shots and pretty much can only rebound and gamble for steals. Literally every time he touches the ball you can feel Jack holding his breath waiting for a turnover.

If we didn't sign and trade Lowry or sign Birch or waited to sign Trent Jr after signing a few real NBA players we would be in much better shape. I said it at the beginning that if we believe in this core invest in a true bench.

This FO is such a mess. We went from hey this a rebuild season to playing Pascal/FVV/OG 40 minutes to chase wins. What is this team doing at this stage developing or going for 8th?

What is crazy to me is that Masai gets re-signed and joins the Board and now we cannot be a tax paying team. You'd think he would be willing to spend with his new power.


This is a terrible take. Just awful.

Achiuwa has near elite defensive numbers. If his offense becomes even average that’s a good player. He’s also a 2nd year player and is 22.

And you want us to pay the tax?! This might be one of the dumbest arguments I’ve heard on this board. Teams don’t just pay the tax in down years because of the repeater penalties. You make tax payments when you’re ready to contend. Even Colangelo would know that. It makes sense that YOU don’t know that though.

And thinking that we lost respect around the league for dumping Demar? We won a title.

Honestly, are you dense? I can’t believe a post could contain so many dumb statements.

Elite defensive numbers? What are the numbers your talking about?


Achiuwa’s defends the rim at -13.5%fg compared to players normal averages. The only other players with similar numbers (fg defended and fg%) are the Giannis, Gobert and Evan Mobley types.

He’s not perfect (obviously offense is awful), but he’s shown very good defensive potential.
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Re: Dragic 

Post#44 » by SuppaSlick » Sun Jan 16, 2022 1:01 am

ConSarnit wrote:
SuppaSlick wrote:
ConSarnit wrote:
This is a terrible take. Just awful.

Achiuwa has near elite defensive numbers. If his offense becomes even average that’s a good player. He’s also a 2nd year player and is 22.

And you want us to pay the tax?! This might be one of the dumbest arguments I’ve heard on this board. Teams don’t just pay the tax in down years because of the repeater penalties. You make tax payments when you’re ready to contend. Even Colangelo would know that. It makes sense that YOU don’t know that though.

And thinking that we lost respect around the league for dumping Demar? We won a title.

Honestly, are you dense? I can’t believe a post could contain so many dumb statements.

Elite defensive numbers? What are the numbers your talking about?


Achiuwa’s defends the rim at -13.5%fg compared to players normal averages. The only other players with similar numbers (fg defended and fg%) are the Giannis, Gobert and Evan Mobley types.

He’s not perfect (obviously offense is awful), but he’s shown very good defensive potential.


Fair enough. I'll continue to watch out for that. It never seems like he's impactful but I'll take a closer look
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Re: Dragic 

Post#45 » by First Step » Sun Jan 16, 2022 1:33 am

Dragic took Larry Tannenbaum's private jet from Miami to San Diego and was photographed golfing with Uncle Dennis.
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Re: Dragic 

Post#46 » by Snowwy » Sun Jan 16, 2022 1:43 am

Tor_Raps wrote:
Snowwy wrote:
Tor_Raps wrote:This is one of the few failed transactions during Masai's tenure. No one's perfect so it is what it is.

I'm so confused by this, can you help me out? Do you prefer Precious on the Raptors or nothing on the Raptors?


I prefer trading a player when you've decided not doing your best to win, which happened the moment we didn't re-sign Ibaka. Hanging onto Lowry for the last season was pointless when you already knew he had no real future with the team. Hope that clarifies your confusion.

Yeah, I don't think this strategy acutally works in real life. Good for 2K though.
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Re: Dragic 

Post#47 » by Tor_Raps » Sun Jan 16, 2022 1:45 am

Snowwy wrote:
Tor_Raps wrote:
Snowwy wrote:I'm so confused by this, can you help me out? Do you prefer Precious on the Raptors or nothing on the Raptors?


I prefer trading a player when you've decided not doing your best to win, which happened the moment we didn't re-sign Ibaka. Hanging onto Lowry for the last season was pointless when you already knew he had no real future with the team. Hope that clarifies your confusion.

Yeah, I don't think this strategy acutally works in real life. Good for 2K though.


Trading a player you don't plan to bring back when you tried to do that a few month later anyways? This is the strategy that doesn't work? Lol
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Re: Dragic 

Post#48 » by will » Sun Jan 16, 2022 2:36 am

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Re: Dragic 

Post#49 » by TheRaptor! » Sun Jan 16, 2022 5:11 am

He needs to come back and play a significant role off the bench.

As of now we have a better team then The Mavs
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Re: Dragic 

Post#50 » by Snowwy » Sun Jan 16, 2022 9:27 am

Tor_Raps wrote:
Snowwy wrote:
Tor_Raps wrote:
I prefer trading a player when you've decided not doing your best to win, which happened the moment we didn't re-sign Ibaka. Hanging onto Lowry for the last season was pointless when you already knew he had no real future with the team. Hope that clarifies your confusion.

Yeah, I don't think this strategy acutally works in real life. Good for 2K though.


Trading a player you don't plan to bring back when you tried to do that a few month later anyways? This is the strategy that doesn't work? Lol

Treating players poorly doesn't work in the NBA.
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Re: Dragic 

Post#51 » by BCbudraptorfan » Sun Jan 16, 2022 1:47 pm

Ether way with Dragic or without, still a bad trade in my books.. precious or Dragic don't fill any roles besides bench warmers
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Post#52 » by Johnny Bball » Sun Jan 16, 2022 2:06 pm

Operating above the cap. Trade flexibility. That’s all.

Raptors could add another player up to the tax if we include Dragic. You can’t add salary above the cap midseason. So without dragic, we are hamstrung for grades without his salary as ballast.

That’s it. Signing Dragic allowed us to spend to the tax, trade for salaries to the tax, and not take two years to get there once exceeding the cap.

I mean... I thought he was going to be our backup guard, but I guess he was kind of dogging it. Doesn’t matter much, he was always going to be gone.
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Re: Dragic 

Post#53 » by Tor_Raps » Sun Jan 16, 2022 4:16 pm

Snowwy wrote:
Tor_Raps wrote:
Snowwy wrote:Yeah, I don't think this strategy acutally works in real life. Good for 2K though.


Trading a player you don't plan to bring back when you tried to do that a few month later anyways? This is the strategy that doesn't work? Lol

Treating players poorly doesn't work in the NBA.


How was it treating Lowry poorly? We had the exact same conversation with him prior to the trade deadline when he had his bags all but packed.

It was awkward when he actually wasn't traded. Dude sat out most of the 2nd half of the season just so we could tank lol.

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