Should Leon target De’Aaron Fox?

TerrenceClarke · Post #101 » by **TerrenceClarke** » Sun Jan 16, 2022 1:08 pm

3toheadmelo wrote:Obi for Fox is inevitable

Ray Williams · Post #102 » by **Ray Williams** » Sun Jan 16, 2022 1:29 pm

TerrenceClarke wrote:
3toheadmelo wrote:Obi for Fox is inevitable

So we the fastest point guard in the league and we trade a racehorse and keep the Clydesdale at PF.

DrCoach · Post #103 » by **DrCoach** » Sun Jan 16, 2022 5:29 pm

Randle and pick for Fox and Bagley

thebuzzardman · Post #104 » by **thebuzzardman** » Sun Jan 16, 2022 5:41 pm

Knicks are getting Brunson. It was their plan not going all in at PG this year.
It either happens before the deadline (unlikely) or in the offseason

thebuzzardman · Post #105 » by **thebuzzardman** » Sun Jan 16, 2022 5:43 pm

Ray Williams wrote:
TerrenceClarke wrote:
3toheadmelo wrote:Obi for Fox is inevitable

So we the fastest point guard in the league and we trade a racehorse and keep the Clydesdale at PF.

I'd try to use the tortoise and hare fable here, but that's about the tortoise having constant diligence and succeeding and doesn't feel appropriate.

nedleeds · Post #106 » by **nedleeds** » Sun Jan 16, 2022 7:43 pm

TerrenceClarke wrote:
nedleeds wrote:
TerrenceClarke wrote:

What is Fox better at besides getting minutes because he's owed $30 million?

cgf · Post #107 » by **cgf** » Sun Jan 16, 2022 8:08 pm

C) depends on the price tag.

We can complain about what they haven't done and the limits to what they have done, but this FO has done a good job of being opportunistic & making good use of what assets it does have to work with. And I can't complain with that MO. It may not yield a title, but it's a great way to build this franchise up from where it was to a position where we could be just 1 big swing away from seriously gunning for a title.

De'Aaron could well be that next step that we need if the right deal is there for Leon, but Fox's shooting also makes me hesitent enough about what he'll cost to not feel like he's a 'must get, at all costs' type of target.

ADeP7 · Post #108 » by **ADeP7** » Sun Jan 16, 2022 8:13 pm

Bring him in and have the team whoop his ass for his comments when the Knicks fell in the lotto

nedleeds · Post #109 » by **nedleeds** » Sun Jan 16, 2022 8:57 pm

Can anybody point to any evidence, wins, a statistic that says Fox is league average at? He's owed:

$163 million

Just to level set those of you who think he's good. FVF is owed $40 million and is superior at literally everything.

Chanel Bomber · Post #110 » by **Chanel Bomber** » Sun Jan 16, 2022 9:54 pm

Fox shouldn't be viewed or valued as an asset.

He's an inefficient point guard who has shown few to no signs that he could make a positive contribution on a winning team.

And he's owed $163 million over the next 5 years.

It's one of the worst contracts in the NBA.

The Knicks would be stupid to trade for, let alone give up assets for that player imo.

robillionaire · Post #111 » by **robillionaire** » Sun Jan 16, 2022 10:14 pm

Not counting one dimensional dunkers and centers, our player with the highest fg% is rose at 44.5%. Fox is at 45.6% which is 10th out of all PGs in the nba and that’s attributed to a slump, he was 48% the last 2 years and 48.3% over the last 10 games which would currently be the 4th highest fg% among all PGs. So he is very good at scoring at the rim. He can also make shots on occasion he’s not Ben Simmons he was 2-4 from 3 in the last game and will be back over 30% soon enough

evevale · Post #112 » by **evevale** » Sun Jan 16, 2022 10:19 pm

Chanel Bomber wrote:Fox shouldn't be viewed or valued as an asset.

He's an inefficient point guard who has shown few to no signs that he could make a positive contribution on a winning team.

And he's owed $163 million over the next 5 years.

It's one of the worst contracts in the NBA.

The Knicks would be stupid to trade for, let alone give up assets for that player imo.

robillionaire wrote:Not counting one dimensional dunkers and centers, our player with the highest fg% is rose at 44.5%. Fox is at 45.6% which is 10th out of all PGs in the nba and that’s attributed to a slump, he was 48% the last 2 years and 48.3% over the last 10 games which would currently be the 4th highest fg% among all PGs. So he is very good at scoring at the rim. He can also make shots on occasion he’s not Ben Simmons he was 2-4 from 3 in the last game and will be back over 30% soon enough

knicksNOTslick · Post #113 » by **knicksNOTslick** » Sun Jan 16, 2022 11:17 pm

Fox was a good defender coming out of the draft. It just might be the Kings not prioritizing that part of his game. I'm still 50/50 on this because he still can't shoot and he'll cost a lot. I was a big fan of his and wanted us to trade up for him during the draft but he hasn't really improved on his weaknesses, that's the most concerning.

Nazrmohamed · Post #114 » by **Nazrmohamed** » Mon Jan 17, 2022 2:32 am

I only see it being a positive if Julius Randle is the one traded for him and that's still like a lateral move, probably makes us worse in the short term and maybe by next yr you're breaking even. It's really about pushing your timeline back a couple yrs.

WargamesX · Post #115 » by **WargamesX** » Mon Jan 17, 2022 3:06 am

Just saying….

cgmw · Post #116 » by **cgmw** » Mon Jan 17, 2022 3:09 am

Chanel Bomber wrote:Fox shouldn't be viewed or valued as an asset.

He's an inefficient point guard who has shown few to no signs that he could make a positive contribution on a winning team.

And he's owed $163 million over the next 5 years.

It's one of the worst contracts in the NBA.

The Knicks would be stupid to trade for, let alone give up assets for that player imo.

Ok but what’s $163 million minus Julius Randle?

Worst_to_First · Post #117 » by **Worst_to_First** » Mon Jan 17, 2022 4:41 am

ADeP7 wrote:Bring him in and have the team whoop his ass for his comments when the Knicks fell in the lotto

If we don’t make the playoffs have Fox represent us in the lottery and laugh at him when we fall.

Chanel Bomber · Post #118 » by **Chanel Bomber** » Mon Jan 17, 2022 7:44 am

cgmw wrote:
Chanel Bomber wrote:Fox shouldn't be viewed or valued as an asset.

He's an inefficient point guard who has shown few to no signs that he could make a positive contribution on a winning team.

And he's owed $163 million over the next 5 years.

It's one of the worst contracts in the NBA.

The Knicks would be stupid to trade for, let alone give up assets for that player imo.

Ok but what’s $163 million minus Julius Randle?

I want Julius to be traded regardless. And I wanted this last offseason too, before they gave him the extension.

They're the same caliber of players to me - Randle probably better and more refined at this stage, likely thanks to age and experience.

Swapping Randle for Fox only adds a few $ but it's still a sub-optimal proposition imo.

cgmw · Post #119 » by **cgmw** » Mon Jan 17, 2022 8:10 am

Chanel Bomber wrote:
cgmw wrote:
Chanel Bomber wrote:Fox shouldn't be viewed or valued as an asset.

He's an inefficient point guard who has shown few to no signs that he could make a positive contribution on a winning team.

And he's owed $163 million over the next 5 years.

It's one of the worst contracts in the NBA.

The Knicks would be stupid to trade for, let alone give up assets for that player imo.

Ok but what’s $163 million minus Julius Randle?

I want Julius to be traded regardless. And I wanted this last offseason too, before they gave him the extension.

They're the same caliber of players to me - Randle probably better and more refined at this stage, likely thanks to age and experience.

Swapping Randle for Fox only adds a few $ but it's still a sub-optimal proposition imo.

Cool. And I’ve wanted Scarlett Johansson to marry me for a decade now. Never say never!

The only way Leon trades Randle is if he thinks he’s getting a more accomplished star in return. I’d be surprised if Fox is that guy, but I wouldn’t hate it if it meant we’re committing to younger players and a longer development timeline. For example, if it means giving Obi and Cam full-time opportunity to shine.

I’d much rather see Mitch, Obi, Cam, RJ, Fox than the Randle, Fournier, Burks, Kemba, DRose “win now” charade we’re presently enduring,

Chanel Bomber · Post #120 » by **Chanel Bomber** » Mon Jan 17, 2022 8:29 am

cgmw wrote:
Chanel Bomber wrote:
cgmw wrote:Ok but what’s $163 million minus Julius Randle?

I want Julius to be traded regardless. And I wanted this last offseason too, before they gave him the extension.

They're the same caliber of players to me - Randle probably better and more refined at this stage, likely thanks to age and experience.

Swapping Randle for Fox only adds a few $ but it's still a sub-optimal proposition imo.

Cool. And I’ve wanted Scarlett Johansson to marry me for a decade now. Never say never!

The only way Leon trades Randle is if he thinks he’s getting a more accomplished star in return. I’d be surprised if Fox is that guy, but I wouldn’t hate it if it meant we’re committing to younger players and a longer development timeline. For example, if it means giving Obi and Cam full-time opportunity to shine.

I’d much rather see Mitch, Obi, Cam, RJ, Fox than the Randle, Fournier, Burks, Kemba, DRose “win now” action we got now.

I mentioned my general opinion to say that even though swapping Randle for Fox only adds a few $ a year, it's still not a desirable outcome imo.

And regarding your last paragraph, I'd say careful what you wish for. If you use Fox on the ball, even if you use Obi in the action (which is theoretically good for his development), it further relegates RJ to an off-ball role where his role is primarily to C&S and cut to the rim.

I don't consider Randle to be a particularly malleable player but he's still more malleable than Fox.

The Burks at PG experiment is ill-advised but he allows RJ to run PNR and play on the ball because at the very least he spaces the floor. You can kiss that idea goodbye with Fox in the backcourt. Or you'll see a lot of 3-point bricks from him.

Are you for a De’Aaron Fox deal?