10 best SG based on 4 year stretches

[penbeast0]

Must be 4 consecutive years but does include health in those 4 years. At least 3 of the 4 years must be spent as the primary 2, rather than primarily as a 1 or a 3. All comps are relative to their league, not how they would do today playing on the Warriors. And, if you are including West or Oscar, who are you claiming was the PG next to them during each of those 4 years since I think they were both primarily PGs. This would include:

Magic 80-83 where he was the 2 guard next to Norm Nixon (can include 84),

Sidney Moncrief 83-86 where he was averaging 20+ppg on close to .600 efficiency while winning 2 DPOY awards and

Fat Lever 87-90 where he was putting up nightly triple doubles before people cared about it playing next to 5-11 Michael Adams from 88-90. This also includes

David Thompson (76-79) before the drug issues derailed his career and

Micheal Jordan's 89 campaign where he was starting at PG because he was more the SG the other years of his career.

Please go 10 deep as Jordan probably takes #1 pretty easily. I am primarily doing this to see if Lever makes any lists and where Sid ends up but also to see comps like prime Harden v. prime Wade.

[70sFan]

I think 1978-81 Gervin has to be high on this list. This timespan is among the greatest scoring periods ever and Gervin didn't become complete liability on defensive end yet.

I'd consider 1976-79 Paul Westphal for the last spots. Such a well-rounded player with quality postseason production.

2005-08 Manu has a strong case, though low minutes could hurt him in this comaprison.

Of course Squid should finish among the very best, probably inside top 5 with Kobe, Harden and Wade fighting for the 2nd spot (I don't think West had 4 years period when he played at SG).

I think that 1963-66 Sam Jones has legitimate case as well. Not an amazing all-around player, but great scorer, off-ball threat and decent defender. He also improved his game in postseason consistently

[Stalwart]

Bunch of hipster picks in the OP.

1. Jordan - Any 4 yrs you want to pick
2. Kobe - 2007 - 2010
3. Wade - 2006 - 2009
4. Harden - 2017 - 2020
5. Iverson - 1999 - 2002
8. Gervin - 1978 - 1981
7. Drexler - 1989 - 1992
8. Tracey McGrady - 2001 - 2004

After that you'll get some combination of Reggie, Moncief, Ray Allen, Sam Jones, and Hal Greer.

[70sFan]

I'll try to make the list:

1. 1988-92 Michael Jordan
2. 2007-10 Kobe Bryant
3. 2017-20 James Harden
4. 2009-12 Dwyane Wade
5. 1978-81 George Gervin
6. 1983-86 Sidney Moncrief
7. 1992-95 Reggie Miller
8. 2001-04 Tracy McGrady
9. 1963-66 Sam Jones
10. 1976-79 Paul Westphal

HM to Iverson, Allen, Manu and Greer. I could miss someone else though.

[Owly]

Of those not getting actual votes I'd push:
Manu (rate productivity is high and impact monster, minutes are the issue)
Wanzer (assume Davies is the point, given professed tilt towards playoffs of many - and the tilt of numbers to favor bigs - his monstrous playoff numbers seem to have been overlooked in general)
Sharman (like Wade and, to a lesser degree, Drexler the requirement of 4 consecutive years hurts, still best guess is he's a standout 2 versus his peers, intangibles, BBIQ and playstyle would seem to be positives).

If one wanted to include West, your best window for considering him such is probably 64-67. 66 and 67 have Hazzard as the second highest minutes guard and a pg. One so inclined might be able to argue that in '65 despite Barnett as primary other guard and clear sg that between Hazzard (clear pg when on) and the debatable King (shorter; slightly lesser assist rate, but from lesser shooting role ... MJ not the point with Paxson but Paxson assists less) you could could get to a third year though it seems to require a strong line on King as the pg when with West.

[penbeast0]

Bunch of hipster picks in the OP.

1. Jordan - Any 4 yrs you want to pick
2. Kobe - 2007 - 2010
3. Wade - 2006 - 2009
4. Harden - 2017 - 2020
5. Iverson - 1999 - 2002
8. Gervin - 1978 - 1981
7. Drexler - 1989 - 1992
8. Tracey McGrady - 2001 - 2004

After that you'll get some combination of Reggie, Moncief, Ray Allen, Sam Jones, and Hal Greer.

Those weren't my picks, just some guys I wasn't sure people would consider. Fat Lever is one of my all time favorite players but I'd be surprised if he makes my top 10, his shooting wasn't that efficient and the rebounding he excelled in is to a large degree situational based on his team's offensive scheme. However, I would have Sid well above the likes of Iverson, TMac, and even Gervin though, the game is about more than scoring and Iverson and Tmac weren't even that efficient at scoring.

[Stalwart]

Bunch of hipster picks in the OP.

1. Jordan - Any 4 yrs you want to pick
2. Kobe - 2007 - 2010
3. Wade - 2006 - 2009
4. Harden - 2017 - 2020
5. Iverson - 1999 - 2002
8. Gervin - 1978 - 1981
7. Drexler - 1989 - 1992
8. Tracey McGrady - 2001 - 2004

After that you'll get some combination of Reggie, Moncief, Ray Allen, Sam Jones, and Hal Greer.

Those weren't my picks, just some guys I wasn't sure people would consider. Fat Lever is one of my all time favorite players but I'd be surprised if he makes my top 10, his shooting wasn't that efficient and the rebounding he excelled in is to a large degree situational based on his team's offensive scheme.

I understand. My apologies.

However, I would have Sid well above the likes of Iverson, TMac, and even Gervin though, the game is about more than scoring and Iverson and Tmac weren't even that efficient at scoring.

Well in the case of Iverson were talking about a league MVP, Conf. Champion, 3x Scoring Champion, 2x Steals leader all within a 4 yr time span. I don't think Moncrief accomplished quite that much.

Moncrief is one of the best defenders at his position all time. But TMac and Gervin were two of the most dynamic offensive players of all time and left a much bigger impact in the sport. I guess it's matter of what you value.

[falcolombardi]

without going too in depth to analize each player (and which seasons make the cut) i suppose it would be somewhat like this

tier 1
jordan: any 4-year stretch between 88-93

tier 2
kobe :2006-2009
wade: 2009-2012
west:66-69
Harden 17-20

tier 3
reggie 95-98?
drexler 90-93?
ginobili 05-08
ray allen 01-04
Mcgrady 03-06

[penbeast0]

Interesting that no one is particularly impressed by young Magic, I would have guessed he would have more advocates.

Sid didn't go to the championships because it was the era of the superteams of the 80s and he was coming up against the Bird Celtics (with Parish, McHale, DJ, etc.) and the Erving/Moses Sixers every year. He did actually lead his team over the Celtics at least once before losing to the Sixers and had the Bucks as the consistently 3rd best team in the East for this stretch. But it is true that he was never able to break through and his playoff performances were inconsistent; some spectacular, some rough.

Of course, he did accomplish more in that respect than TMac ever did, but similarly, Tmac as well was going up against opponents with more talent around their star(s). Gervin did take his team to one WCF, again without always great talent around him and is a greater scorer than Moncrief. But, he's a mediocre defender to Sid's great defender and a poor playmaker where Sid was solid, if not spectacular. As you say, it's about what you value.

[falcolombardi]

Interesting that no one is particularly impressed by young Magic, I would have guessed he would have more advocates.

Sid didn't go to the championships because it was the era of the superteams of the 80s and he was coming up against the Bird Celtics (with Parish, McHale, DJ, etc.) and the Erving/Moses Sixers every year. He did actually lead his team over the Celtics at least once before losing to the Sixers and had the Bucks as the consistently 3rd best team in the East for this stretch. But it is true that he was never able to break through and his playoff performances were inconsistent; some spectacular, some rough.

Of course, he did accomplish more in that respect than TMac ever did, but similarly, Tmac as well was going up against opponents with more talent around their star(s).

maybe people are not seeing magic as a shooting guard even if he was one in those early years?

also i suppose there is some confusion with some players about who is a sf and who is a sg

[70sFan]

without going too in depth to analize each player (and which seasons make the cut) i suppose it would be somewhat like this

tier 1
jordan: any 4-year stretch between 88-93

tier 2
kobe :2006-2009
wade: 2009-2012
west:66-69
Harden 17-20

tier 3
reggie 95-98?
drexler 90-93?
ginobili 05-08
ray allen 01-04
Mcgrady 03-06

Why not Moncrief or Gervin?

[feyki]

88/91 MJ
06/10 KB
07/10 Wade
66/70 West
17/20 Harden
89/93 Drex
01/04 T-Mac
78/81 Gervin
05/08 Gino
92/95 Miller
.

[falcolombardi]

without going too in depth to analize each player (and which seasons make the cut) i suppose it would be somewhat like this

tier 1
jordan: any 4-year stretch between 88-93

tier 2
kobe :2006-2009
wade: 2009-2012
west:66-69
Harden 17-20

tier 3
reggie 95-98?
drexler 90-93?
ginobili 05-08
ray allen 01-04
Mcgrady 03-06

Why not Moncrief or Gervin?

moncrief:good call, he is a good option over some of the tier 3 guys, didnt think of him

who would you leave out for moncrief? McGrady?

George gervin: i honestly thought of him as a SF because of size
if i include him in sg i would have some thinghs making me dubitative that i would need to look further into

like his assists numbers being less than his turnovers which doesnt seem a good signal for his passing

[70sFan]

without going too in depth to analize each player (and which seasons make the cut) i suppose it would be somewhat like this

tier 1
jordan: any 4-year stretch between 88-93

tier 2
kobe :2006-2009
wade: 2009-2012
west:66-69
Harden 17-20

tier 3
reggie 95-98?
drexler 90-93?
ginobili 05-08
ray allen 01-04
Mcgrady 03-06

Why not Moncrief or Gervin?

moncrief:good call, he is a good option over some of the tier 3 guys, didnt think of him

who would you leave out for moncrief? McGrady?

George gervin: i honestly thought of him as a SF because of size
if i include him in sg i would have some thinghs making me dubitative that i would need to look further into

like his assists numbers being less than his turnovers which doesnt seem a good signal for his passing

Either Tmac or Drexler, I think that Squid was better than them.

[Morb]

88/91 MJ
06/10 KB
07/10 Wade
66/70 West
17/20 Harden
89/93 Drex
01/04 T-Mac
78/81 Gervin
05/08 Gino
92/95 Miller
.

I take versality athletic players with 3pts and highlights (yes, for kids and Warriors), so its T-Mac and Kobe. Actually, T-Mac was more team player with better flow. Stats looks same.

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[SHAQ32]

Splitting hairs here, but I'd lean more 00-03 over 01-04 for McGrady's stretch. I think, relative to his role, he played better in 2000 than he did in 2004.

[ceoofkobefans]

In my opinion (gaps represent tiers)

1. 1989-1992 Michael Jordan

2. 2006-2009 Kobe Bryant

3. 2008-2011 Dwyane Wade

4. 2001-2004 Tracy McGrady
5. 2018-2021 James Harden

6. 1978-1981 George Gervin
7. 2001-2004 Allen Iverson
8. 1989-1992 Clyde Drexler

9. 1994-1997 Reggie Miller
10. 2001-2004 Ray Allen

[feyki]

88/91 MJ
06/10 KB
07/10 Wade
66/70 West
17/20 Harden
89/93 Drex
01/04 T-Mac
78/81 Gervin
05/08 Gino
92/95 Miller
.

I take versality athletic players with 3pts and highlights (yes, for kids and Warriors), so its T-Mac and Kobe. Actually, T-Mac was more team player with better flow. Stats looks same.

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Kobe was also really good within flow, T-Mac had better stats, though, peak to peak; but Kobe was more consistent.

[No-more-rings]

Normally I consider West a SG because he played more like one. For this exercise I will not since bballref only shows 2 seasons as a SG.

1. Jordan 88-91(or 89-92)
2. Kobe 06-09
3. Wade 09-12
4. Harden 17-20
5. Tmac 01-04(or 02-05)
6. Miller 91-94(or 92-95)
7. Manu 05-08
8. Drexler 89-92
9. Iceman 78-81
10. Ray Allen 00-03

Some takeaways, I really thought about putting Ai on here, but I'm just unsure about his impact especially in his later Sixer days. Some here seem to be underrating Tmac a bit. I know he lost in the first round every year, but really no one except Jordan has clearly better playoff numbers. That has to count for something.

With a healthier 2012 or 2008 season, I'd be putting Wade above Kobe. Even with a banged up 2012 playoff Wade, I'd rather have his defense and leadership over some of those Harden years.

I find 6-9 on my list pretty interchangeable, not as confident on those ones. The top 4 are pretty indisputable I think(not the order).

[feyki]

Not because of been my childhood legend, but T-Mac was tooooo good. Look at what he did 6 playoffs of the 8 consecutive years:
29,5 PPG, 6,5 APG, +4 rORTG
. Even played more than half of the series against under 105 DRTG teams(104 DRTG AVR). With 2021 Playoffs Ratings:
33,4 PPG, 7,3 APG, +5 rORTG
. Under good circumstances, I could imagine him with 35-8 and +5 relative true shooting and 10+ relative offensive rating statline, in the 2020's Playoffs.

Edit:

01/03 Playoffs - 32 PPG, 5,9 APG, +3 rTS, +7 rORTG,
It's Adjusted to 2021 Playoffs - 36,8 PPG, 6,8 APG, +4,5 rTS, +8 rORTG.