Tank World Order (7.0)

[bballsparkin]

this is how I feel right now

that's a great gif. surprised i'm the first and 1. this place is slippin.

[ATLTimekeeper]

Where did I say he ‘only stat pads against lottery teams’? It’s okay to hate on me because I’m criticizing your golden midget but no need to make stuff up.

"[FVV]only takes 18+ shots against depleted teams"

"[FVV] better be efficient when playing against G-Leaguers"

"[FVV] clearly saw weak G-League replacement players/bench players and took his shot attempts to another level during this stretch to maximize his numbers"

"Fred stat padding vs weak teams means nothing"

Those are all comments you made in this very thread 3 nights ago. I could easily find others in GT/PG threads, but there is no point wasting time on replying to you because you just move the goalposts and never admit you are wrong when you're caught in a lie.

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In any of those comments, do I say he only stat pads against lottery teams like you claimed? Wasted your time for no reason.

Just to be clear, you think that FGA = stat padding, but also insist that Scottie should be taking 18-20 shots a game for "development."

[sbsat]

I'm all for a good ole tank when the stars align. Got to roll with the punches though. Like water.



Tanking definitely works. When the timing works. Sometimes playoffs is alright too. Ignoring the play-in, right now it would be the Raps #8 vs Bulls #1. Hell ya, bring it. DeMar playing in Tdot on another team that's good. That's good fun.

The team is rebuilding and adding assets. The FO has been patient and not rushed for the sake of making moves. I'm cool with that.

Love him or hate him, FVV is playing well and is a good trade chip. Also worth keeping. I can say the same for Pascal, OG, GTjr and especially Barnes.

This thread reads like reality tv sometimes. Both sides.

It actually doesnt work

[Psubs]

I'm not committing until after the trade deadline.

Feb 10 at 3pm EST

[720]

"[FVV]only takes 18+ shots against depleted teams"

"[FVV] better be efficient when playing against G-Leaguers"

"[FVV] clearly saw weak G-League replacement players/bench players and took his shot attempts to another level during this stretch to maximize his numbers"

"Fred stat padding vs weak teams means nothing"

Those are all comments you made in this very thread 3 nights ago. I could easily find others in GT/PG threads, but there is no point wasting time on replying to you because you just move the goalposts and never admit you are wrong when you're caught in a lie.

Sent from my Pixel 4 using RealGM mobile app

In any of those comments, do I say he only stat pads against lottery teams like you claimed? Wasted your time for no reason.

Just to be clear, you think that FGA = stat padding, but also insist that Scottie should be taking 18-20 shots a game for "development."

Damn, a guy goes from 13-17 fga’s a game to all of a sudden 18-27 fga’s between a 2 week stretch against a bunch of depleted teams where higher fga’s aren’t even required for the win right before the allstar team is being selected, must be a coincidence.

Barnes taking shots is worthwhile since he has unlimited potential so letting him make mistakes, spread his wings is worthwhile. Freddy Allstar taking 18+ shots is pointless because he’s gonna get exposed in the playoffs as the primary guy because he’s a midget that lacks athleticism (like he’s starting to already).

[720]

I'm not committing until after the trade deadline.

Feb 10 at 3pm EST

Unlike last year there isn’t really anything to commit to. Due to the massive amounts of fake wins against depleted teams and teams with stars missing we’ve put ourselves out of the top 10 for the rest of the season in all likelihood.

At this point it’s basically about where in the 11-18 range we’re going to pick.

[mademan]

We're in a conference where there's really only 1 team that's scary and thats the Nets (and they got their own problems). Raps are far from great, but i dont hate our chances against the Bulls/Bucks/Sixers/Heat. Those would be fun to watch. Much rather have that and the 16th pick than nothing and the 10th pick

[sbsat]

In any of those comments, do I say he only stat pads against lottery teams like you claimed? Wasted your time for no reason.

Just to be clear, you think that FGA = stat padding, but also insist that Scottie should be taking 18-20 shots a game for "development."

Damn, a guy goes from 13-17 fga’s a game to all of a sudden 18-27 fga’s between a 2 week stretch against a bunch of depleted teams where higher fga’s aren’t even required for the win right before the allstar team is being selected, must be a coincidence.

Barnes taking shots is worthwhile since he has unlimited potential so letting him make mistakes, spread his wings is worthwhile. Freddy Allstar taking shots 18+ shots is pointless because he’s gonna get exposed in the playoffs as the primary guy because he’s a midget that lacks athleticism (like he’s starting to already).

Stop using the term midget you insensitive fool

[Parataxis]

Team Mediocre cheer for losses if anything. Since you guys love mediocrity.

Except for that whole winning a championship part. But I suppose that is not important.

That’s not team mediocre’s goal. The goal for team mediocre is to be a perpetual 6-8 seed team with no upside and prop up B level players (Fred) like they’re actual top 10-15 players.

Team Mediocre wouldn’t have traded Demar for Kawhi. They would have mentioned the risks involved (injuries, asking to go to LA), the loyalty Demar showed, the fact that Lebron went west, etc. Masai made a winning move, not a mediocre one.

He also didn’t settle for mediocrity last year #PlayInForWhat!?

The thing that you seem to be missing about 'Team Mediocre' is that it's a figment of your imagination. A strawman that you constructed to have something to punch down at.

[720]

Just to be clear, you think that FGA = stat padding, but also insist that Scottie should be taking 18-20 shots a game for "development."

Damn, a guy goes from 13-17 fga’s a game to all of a sudden 18-27 fga’s between a 2 week stretch against a bunch of depleted teams where higher fga’s aren’t even required for the win right before the allstar team is being selected, must be a coincidence.

Barnes taking shots is worthwhile since he has unlimited potential so letting him make mistakes, spread his wings is worthwhile. Freddy Allstar taking shots 18+ shots is pointless because he’s gonna get exposed in the playoffs as the primary guy because he’s a midget that lacks athleticism (like he’s starting to already).

Stop using the term midget you insensitive fool

Stop using the term fool you insensitive jerk!

[720]

Except for that whole winning a championship part. But I suppose that is not important.

That’s not team mediocre’s goal. The goal for team mediocre is to be a perpetual 6-8 seed team with no upside and prop up B level players (Fred) like they’re actual top 10-15 players.

Team Mediocre wouldn’t have traded Demar for Kawhi. They would have mentioned the risks involved (injuries, asking to go to LA), the loyalty Demar showed, the fact that Lebron went west, etc. Masai made a winning move, not a mediocre one.

He also didn’t settle for mediocrity last year #PlayInForWhat!?

The thing that you seem to be missing about 'Team Mediocre' is that it's a figment of your imagination. A strawman that you constructed to have something to punch down at.

You can call those fans whatever you want. Team Mediocre sounds appropriate to me.

[720]

We're in a conference where there's really only 1 team that's scary and thats the Nets (and they got their own problems). Raps are far from great, but i dont hate our chances against the Bulls/Bucks/Sixers/Heat. Those would be fun to watch. Much rather have that and the 16th pick than nothing and the 10th pick

Fun to watch for like a week and then we get eliminated and have a pick 5-6 spots down from where we could be and be at the mercy of teams above us to not pick the players we want or are interested in. Masai can work magic I understand that, but the higher the pick the better. Just look at our own history. We've been only 1 or 2 spots down from a lot of great players being drafted.

[Johnny Bball]

this is how I feel right now

Terrible. I'm not sure I can handle these threats of violence.

[Johnny Bball]

Just to be clear, you think that FGA = stat padding, but also insist that Scottie should be taking 18-20 shots a game for "development."

Damn, a guy goes from 13-17 fga’s a game to all of a sudden 18-27 fga’s between a 2 week stretch against a bunch of depleted teams where higher fga’s aren’t even required for the win right before the allstar team is being selected, must be a coincidence.

Barnes taking shots is worthwhile since he has unlimited potential so letting him make mistakes, spread his wings is worthwhile. Freddy Allstar taking shots 18+ shots is pointless because he’s gonna get exposed in the playoffs as the primary guy because he’s a midget that lacks athleticism (like he’s starting to already).

Stop using the term midget you insensitive fool

how many more times does this guy get away with using insensitive and insulting terms.

[mademan]

We're in a conference where there's really only 1 team that's scary and thats the Nets (and they got their own problems). Raps are far from great, but i dont hate our chances against the Bulls/Bucks/Sixers/Heat. Those would be fun to watch. Much rather have that and the 16th pick than nothing and the 10th pick

Fun to watch for like a week and then we get eliminated and have a pick 5-6 spots down from where we could be and be at the mercy of teams above us to not pick the players we want or are interested in. Masai can work magic I understand that, but the higher the pick the better. Just look at our own history. We've been only 1 or 2 spots down from a lot of great players being drafted.

I posted this before in this same thread. Once you get past the top picks, the draft flattens out.

https://www.pdg-analytics.com/articles/nba-draft-all-star-correlations

"Moreover, probability of drafting an All-Star player flattens to 0.06 for draft picks beyond the top-10 (including the second round). Also, the fraction of All-Star players from the last 29 years that were selected in the second round is 0.13+/-0.03."


Statistically, there is no real difference between the 11th pick (probably the low for the Raps) and the 16th or 17th pick. People get hyped up on the draft every year and every year we see the same thing; the vast majority of guys picked after the top picks never really become a part of a teams core. Tanking for the 10th pick when you can make the postseason in a year without any scary teams is just a terrible decision thats not supported by the numbers.

[720]

We're in a conference where there's really only 1 team that's scary and thats the Nets (and they got their own problems). Raps are far from great, but i dont hate our chances against the Bulls/Bucks/Sixers/Heat. Those would be fun to watch. Much rather have that and the 16th pick than nothing and the 10th pick

Fun to watch for like a week and then we get eliminated and have a pick 5-6 spots down from where we could be and be at the mercy of teams above us to not pick the players we want or are interested in. Masai can work magic I understand that, but the higher the pick the better. Just look at our own history. We've been only 1 or 2 spots down from a lot of great players being drafted.

I posted this before in this same thread. Once you get past the top picks, the draft flattens out.

https://www.pdg-analytics.com/articles/nba-draft-all-star-correlations

"Moreover, probability of drafting an All-Star player flattens to 0.06 for draft picks beyond the top-10 (including the second round). Also, the fraction of All-Star players from the last 29 years that were selected in the second round is 0.13+/-0.03."


Statistically, there is no real difference between the 11th pick (probably the low for the Raps) and the 16th or 17th pick. People get hyped up on the draft every year and every year we see the same thing; the vast majority of guys picked after the top picks never really become a part of a teams core. Tanking for the 10th pick when you can make the postseason in a year without any scary teams is just a terrible decision thats not supported by the numbers.

You don't need to tank, just stop playing the starters 40+ minutes and have a regular rotation like a normal team and allocate more shots to the young guys. If the bench loses us games then it is what it is. What's the point of playing the starters heavy minutes and getting them banged up for? To win 41 games instead of 36? That's pointless and shortsighted.

Also every draft is different, there are anomalies in every draft range if we stretch back and look at NBA history (Klay, Paul George, Giannis, Booker, Dirk, Kobe, etc. All in that low lotto range). Can't just assume a pick is worthless.

[will]

That’s not team mediocre’s goal. The goal for team mediocre is to be a perpetual 6-8 seed team with no upside and prop up B level players (Fred) like they’re actual top 10-15 players.

Team Mediocre wouldn’t have traded Demar for Kawhi. They would have mentioned the risks involved (injuries, asking to go to LA), the loyalty Demar showed, the fact that Lebron went west, etc. Masai made a winning move, not a mediocre one.

He also didn’t settle for mediocrity last year #PlayInForWhat!?

The thing that you seem to be missing about 'Team Mediocre' is that it's a figment of your imagination. A strawman that you constructed to have something to punch down at.

You can call those fans whatever you want. Team Mediocre sounds appropriate to me.

People get too emotionally invested and tied to players, when in reality, it's about winning. Mediocrity ain't it. In business, there are times to take a step back to advance forward significantly.

Masai has done that time and time again moving pieces (Melo and DeMar) to improve the squad to make a long playoff run.

[will]

Fun to watch for like a week and then we get eliminated and have a pick 5-6 spots down from where we could be and be at the mercy of teams above us to not pick the players we want or are interested in. Masai can work magic I understand that, but the higher the pick the better. Just look at our own history. We've been only 1 or 2 spots down from a lot of great players being drafted.

I posted this before in this same thread. Once you get past the top picks, the draft flattens out.

https://www.pdg-analytics.com/articles/nba-draft-all-star-correlations

"Moreover, probability of drafting an All-Star player flattens to 0.06 for draft picks beyond the top-10 (including the second round). Also, the fraction of All-Star players from the last 29 years that were selected in the second round is 0.13+/-0.03."


Statistically, there is no real difference between the 11th pick (probably the low for the Raps) and the 16th or 17th pick. People get hyped up on the draft every year and every year we see the same thing; the vast majority of guys picked after the top picks never really become a part of a teams core. Tanking for the 10th pick when you can make the postseason in a year without any scary teams is just a terrible decision thats not supported by the numbers.

You don't need to tank, just stop playing the starters 40+ minutes and have a regular rotation like a normal team and allocate more shots to the young guys. If the bench loses us games then it is what it is. What's the point of playing the starters heavy minutes and getting them banged up for? To win 41 games instead of 36? That's pointless and shortsighted.

Also every draft is different, there are anomalies in every draft range if we stretch back and look at NBA history (Klay, Paul George, Giannis, Booker, Dirk, Kobe, etc. All in that low lotto range). Can't just assume a pick is worthless.

Need to remind the people who like mediocrity that the Raps can't afford to keep running their beloved Pascal and Senior to the ground. Need to add elite and quality players to the squad to be a true contender. Ain't happening via free agency, nor with the Raps current bench.

Best option is the NBA draft. Simple.

[Los_29]

The thing that you seem to be missing about 'Team Mediocre' is that it's a figment of your imagination. A strawman that you constructed to have something to punch down at.

You can call those fans whatever you want. Team Mediocre sounds appropriate to me.

People get too emotionally invested and tied to players, when in reality, it's about winning. Mediocrity ain't it. In business, there are times to take a step back to advance forward significantly.

Masai has done that time and time again moving pieces (Melo and DeMar) to improve the squad to make a long playoff run.

Welcome to Team Masai, Will. Great to have you onboard. Knew you’d come around.

[will]

Stop quoting me and wasting your own time.

I already got you on the 'foe' list so I can't see your posts.