Garland is a stud

[LivingLegend]

Garland playing well does not devalue Sexton, they don't even play the same position.

The problem is Sexton is like Boobie Gibson. He's a SG in a PGs body. If Sexton doesn't want a decreaced role as a 25-30min guy off the bench then he probably isn't long for Cleveland.

So either way, what Garland is doing is insanity. It's not just being another run of the mill score first guard. His passing ability is truly elite.

[JujitsuFlip]

They changed Collin's role this year so he couldn't stop the ball or prevent Garland from running the offense, they just barely got a chance to try it.

If they have a better option at SG, Collin can come off the bench, but the Cavs need more talent and giving what they have away is not helpful. As his value around the league plummets, so does the cost of signing him and the risk of keeping him.

Great attitude, great kid, hard worker and just wants to win .... should be able to work that out.

Sexton is a gym rat and is probably a nice guy. However, he's a blackhole on offense and a turnstile on defense; seems counterintuitive to a winning brand of basketball.

1. The Cavs severely lacked scoring the past couple of seasons, do we know if Collin was asked to focus on scoring as opposed to setting up teammates?

2. We only got to see Sexton play with this group for 11 games. That's a very small sample size.

3. Cleveland currently lacks creators\playmakers, so it's easy to see how Colin would have likely filled that role.

1. No way to tell but Sexton has played this way at every level of basketball thus far.

2. It is but there was not some huge revelation in his game. Same old Sexton just less efficient than usual.

3. Sexton is the furthest thing from a creator, so no, I can't imagine him filling that role. The Cavs didn't go acquire Rubio for no reason this summer.

[DowJones]

THey should get Lebron back.

Honestly--it really wouldn't surprise me if this happens. LeBron is actually a great fit with this team. Cleveland has good PG play, elite big men, and all they really need to be a truly elite team is a wing that can score and create. LeBron could lean on Garland and Sexton to handle much of the ball handling during the regular season. LeBron for Lauri and a future 1st wouldn't be insane in 1.5 years.

I think the question is whether or not Gilbert says ok. I guess it entirely depends on where the Cavs are at and where LeBron is at.

LeBron would be horrible with this team. Their identity is their defense. Garland is the weak link in there but otherwise all positions are packed with starters and bench guys who take pride in stopping their guy. LeBron literally moonwalks away from playing defense. Not only would it cost them half of their young core to get him, but he'd force them to trade the other half away for some superstar, just to then take over the offense and play no defense.

The Cavs are quietly the surprise of the year. Without Rubio they have lost smoe of their dominance btu they still beat teams they shouldnt beat. They have a great record, a great chemistry right now. Why on earth would they agree with a deal like that? What would the deal improve?

1. I am not arguing for Cleveland to trade for LeBron now--partly because it just won't happen (LA would never do it and I doubt LeBron would even want it) and partly because, as you said, it would cost too much.

2. I am saying this wouldn't surprise me if he came to Cleveland sometime between next summer (forcing his way with only 1 year left on his contract) and the summer of 2023 (via free agency).

3. As for your take on LeBron not being a good fit with this current roster---well, that is laughable. LeBron James is playing phenomenal basketball. He is 29-8-7 right now on 52%-36%-77% shooting. Your argument, apparently, is that LeBron is too much of a downgrade from Lauri on the defensive end to justify the MASSIVE upgrade he is everywhere else. I think that argument is absolutely terrible.

Your entire take is essentially what the 49ers did in the spring of 2020 when they convinced themselves that Jimmy Garappolo was a better "fit" than Tom Brady was--and the 49ers were actually coming off of a trip to the Super Bowl where they were a 10 minute stretch of bad football away from winning it all. The Cavs, I think we can all agree, are not on the cusp of a title with their current roster the way the 49ers were.

[DowJones]

As far as Sexton goes--why wouldn't Cleveland keep him? He is coming off of a knee injury and it seems like everyone doubts his game so I wouldn't expect other GM's to come calling with a massive offer. Sexton can score--and Cleveland could use that. I wouldn't be surprised if Cleveland gives Sexton a nice deal (nowhere near max) with the idea of bringing Sexton off the bench as a 6th man.

[whitehops]

i was a huge fan of garland coming out of college. it was tough to scout him since he only played five games his college season due to injury, but he flashed major potential in those five games (four games really). lillard was my nba comp for him which probably wasn't spot-on.

glad to see he's playing at a high level, i was always a little worried after his slow rookie season coming off the injury but yeah... cleveland has a really nice core to build from with garland, mobley and allen.

[eminence]

I see All-star mentioned a lot in this thread, and honestly I think it's a bit of an undersell. I'm looking at 2nd or 3rd team All-NBA right now.

[davidfr94]

THey should get Lebron back.

That would be cool if Cleveland could find a way to draft LeBron jr and then get LeBron sr via trade of free agency

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[LivingLegend]

i was a huge fan of garland coming out of college. it was tough to scout him since he only played five games his college season due to injury, but he flashed major potential in those five games (four games really). lillard was my nba comp for him which probably wasn't spot-on.

glad to see he's playing at a high level, i was always a little worried after his slow rookie season coming off the injury but yeah... cleveland has a really nice core to build from with garland, mobley and allen.

Confidence was key with him. He flashed a bunch last year but nothing overly consistent and you could tell it was mental more than anything. He now has 100% confidence and plays with that confidence every night with a defined role.

The one thing everybody missed on with him coming out is his passing. People said Dame Lillard as a comp because he was supposed to be this great great shooting/scoring PG. Essentially a walking bucket with tremendous shooting ability. The reason the Cavs selected him was because there was a report that in his pre-draft workout he shot a crap ton of 3s and made like 25+ in a row.

His passing was never really discussed or even thought of as a strength of his. Seeing the player he is now is NOTHING like the one that was reported in his pre-draft scouting. He is a true pass first point guard when everyone thought we were getting another score first guard in the mold of Lillard/Kyrie.

[TheLand13]

THey should get Lebron back.

Honestly--it really wouldn't surprise me if this happens. LeBron is actually a great fit with this team. Cleveland has good PG play, elite big men, and all they really need to be a truly elite team is a wing that can score and create. LeBron could lean on Garland and Sexton to handle much of the ball handling during the regular season. LeBron for Lauri and a future 1st wouldn't be insane in 1.5 years.

I think the question is whether or not Gilbert says ok. I guess it entirely depends on where the Cavs are at and where LeBron is at.

LeBron would be horrible with this team. Their identity is their defense. Garland is the weak link in there but otherwise all positions are packed with starters and bench guys who take pride in stopping their guy. LeBron literally moonwalks away from playing defense. Not only would it cost them half of their young core to get him, but he'd force them to trade the other half away for some superstar, just to then take over the offense and play no defense.

The Cavs are quietly the surprise of the year. Without Rubio they have lost smoe of their dominance btu they still beat teams they shouldnt beat. They have a great record, a great chemistry right now. Why on earth would they agree with a deal like that? What would the deal improve?

Kevin Love is the weak link if anything. But I agree. I'm one of LeBron's biggest fans and even I don't want him on this team. He chose to leave again to go to LA. He can stay there for the rest of his career and continue to deal with the mess that HE got himself in. We got what we wanted out of him, which was a championship, there's nothing more that he can give us. I'm forever thankful for that, and it was an honor to have him on the team twice, but I'm tired of Cleveland's success always being drawn back to LeBron in some form or fashion. It's time for Cleveland to prove they can be something great without him.

3. As for your take on LeBron not being a good fit with this current roster---well, that is laughable. LeBron James is playing phenomenal basketball. He is 29-8-7 right now on 52%-36%-77% shooting. Your argument, apparently, is that LeBron is too much of a downgrade from Lauri on the defensive end to justify the MASSIVE upgrade he is everywhere else. I think that argument is absolutely terrible.

Lauri on the offensive end has been a legitimate matchup problem for opposing teams, to the point where there is clear frustration on their part when playing against Cleveland. Having a legitimate 7 footer who camps out at the three point line is obnoxious to try to play against, and it spreads out their floor to allow room inside for their two bigs (Mobley and Allen) to operate.

If LeBron were to be there in Lauri's place, that spacing mostly goes away. Yes, LeBron is actually shooting pretty decent from three this year, but teams aren't going to be as up close to him as they would be Lauri, who they are airtight on whenever he touches the ball. They're going to back off because they will assume LeBron's intention is to attack them head on. LeBron's playing great basketball this year, but what they really need right now are wings, not him. A player more along the lines of Gary Trent JR is what they need more than anything, not him.

[canada_dry]

He plays a lot like a former PG we've had, Mark Price.

He really does. Theyve thrown around the nash comp lately but i was like why dont u keep it in house? Price is a lot like that too.

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[JujitsuFlip]

Honestly--it really wouldn't surprise me if this happens. LeBron is actually a great fit with this team. Cleveland has good PG play, elite big men, and all they really need to be a truly elite team is a wing that can score and create. LeBron could lean on Garland and Sexton to handle much of the ball handling during the regular season. LeBron for Lauri and a future 1st wouldn't be insane in 1.5 years.

I think the question is whether or not Gilbert says ok. I guess it entirely depends on where the Cavs are at and where LeBron is at.

LeBron would be horrible with this team. Their identity is their defense. Garland is the weak link in there but otherwise all positions are packed with starters and bench guys who take pride in stopping their guy. LeBron literally moonwalks away from playing defense. Not only would it cost them half of their young core to get him, but he'd force them to trade the other half away for some superstar, just to then take over the offense and play no defense.

The Cavs are quietly the surprise of the year. Without Rubio they have lost smoe of their dominance btu they still beat teams they shouldnt beat. They have a great record, a great chemistry right now. Why on earth would they agree with a deal like that? What would the deal improve?

As for your take on LeBron not being a good fit with this current roster---well, that is laughable. LeBron James is playing phenomenal basketball. He is 29-8-7 right now on 52%-36%-77% shooting. Your argument, apparently, is that LeBron is too much of a downgrade from Lauri on the defensive end to justify the MASSIVE upgrade he is everywhere else. I think that argument is absolutely terrible.

I would have to agree that LBJ is not a great fit on the Cavs, as currently constructed. Allen and Mobley occupy the space LeBron likes to operate. LeBron would take the rock outta Garland's hands, which is not what this team needs. LeBron can still defend, when he wants to, its just the getting him to want to part. He just plays with zero grit or effort on that end, which is understandable, given the miles on his tires. It's just it completely conflicts with the Cavs identity.

[DowJones]

Honestly--it really wouldn't surprise me if this happens. LeBron is actually a great fit with this team. Cleveland has good PG play, elite big men, and all they really need to be a truly elite team is a wing that can score and create. LeBron could lean on Garland and Sexton to handle much of the ball handling during the regular season. LeBron for Lauri and a future 1st wouldn't be insane in 1.5 years.

I think the question is whether or not Gilbert says ok. I guess it entirely depends on where the Cavs are at and where LeBron is at.

LeBron would be horrible with this team. Their identity is their defense. Garland is the weak link in there but otherwise all positions are packed with starters and bench guys who take pride in stopping their guy. LeBron literally moonwalks away from playing defense. Not only would it cost them half of their young core to get him, but he'd force them to trade the other half away for some superstar, just to then take over the offense and play no defense.

The Cavs are quietly the surprise of the year. Without Rubio they have lost smoe of their dominance btu they still beat teams they shouldnt beat. They have a great record, a great chemistry right now. Why on earth would they agree with a deal like that? What would the deal improve?

Kevin Love is the weak link if anything. But I agree. I'm one of LeBron's biggest fans and even I don't want him on this team. He chose to leave again to go to LA. He can stay there for the rest of his career and continue to deal with the mess that HE got himself in. We got what we wanted out of him, which was a championship, there's nothing more that he can give us. I'm forever thankful for that, and it was an honor to have him on the team twice, but I'm tired of Cleveland's success always being drawn back to LeBron in some form or fashion. It's time for Cleveland to prove they can be something great without him.

3. As for your take on LeBron not being a good fit with this current roster---well, that is laughable. LeBron James is playing phenomenal basketball. He is 29-8-7 right now on 52%-36%-77% shooting. Your argument, apparently, is that LeBron is too much of a downgrade from Lauri on the defensive end to justify the MASSIVE upgrade he is everywhere else. I think that argument is absolutely terrible.

Lauri on the offensive end has been a legitimate matchup problem for opposing teams, to the point where there is clear frustration on their part when playing against Cleveland. Having a legitimate 7 footer who camps out at the three point line is obnoxious to try to play against, and it spreads out their floor to allow room inside for their two bigs (Mobley and Allen) to operate.

If LeBron were to be there in Lauri's place, that spacing mostly goes away. Yes, LeBron is actually shooting pretty decent from three this year, but teams aren't going to be as up close to him as they would be Lauri, who they are airtight on whenever he touches the ball. They're going to back off because they will assume LeBron's intention is to attack them head on. LeBron's playing great basketball this year, but what they really need right now are wings, not him. A player more along the lines of Gary Trent JR is what they need more than anything, not him.

LeBron is a better 3 point shooter than Lauri. Honestly—are you telling me freaking Lauri is more of a matchup problem than LeBron James is? I am a Cavs homer but I feel like some of these “Lauri is a better fit than LBJ” are some of the worst posts in real GM history.

[LukaTheGOAT]

I see All-star mentioned a lot in this thread, and honestly I think it's a bit of an undersell. I'm looking at 2nd or 3rd team All-NBA right now.

He could be. Though there are a lot of guards. Though, Steph, Trae, Ja, Mitchell, are a tough crop. Then in the next tier Lavine, CP3, Booker, Lamelo are right there.

[whitehops]

Confidence was key with him. He flashed a bunch last year but nothing overly consistent and you could tell it was mental more than anything. He now has 100% confidence and plays with that confidence every night with a defined role.

The one thing everybody missed on with him coming out is his passing. People said Dame Lillard as a comp because he was supposed to be this great great shooting/scoring PG. Essentially a walking bucket with tremendous shooting ability. The reason the Cavs selected him was because there was a report that in his pre-draft workout he shot a crap ton of 3s and made like 25+ in a row.

His passing was never really discussed or even thought of as a strength of his. Seeing the player he is now is NOTHING like the one that was reported in his pre-draft scouting. He is a true pass first point guard when everyone thought we were getting another score first guard in the mold of Lillard/Kyrie.

yeah he pretty much played four games in college so there was very little to go off of. he definitely showed his scoring ability in those four games but not so much his play making.

i'm glad he's finally able to showcase what he can do.

[INKtastic]

He really stunts Garland's game but Gilbert does love Sexton so unfortunately he probably will be there next season, even if on the QO.

They changed Collin's role this year so he couldn't stop the ball or prevent Garland from running the offense, they just barely got a chance to try it.

If they have a better option at SG, Collin can come off the bench, but the Cavs need more talent and giving what they have away is not helpful. As his value around the league plummets, so does the cost of signing him and the risk of keeping him.

Great attitude, great kid, hard worker and just wants to win .... should be able to work that out.

Sexton is a gym rat and is probably a nice guy. However, he's a blackhole on offense and a turnstile on defense; seems counterintuitive to a winning brand of basketball.

Cavs were 7-4 with Sexton playing this year.

[Ayt]

Probably the greatest player to ever play for Cleveland. Discuss.

*Laughs in Matthew Dellavedova*

[LivingLegend]

Probably the greatest player to ever play for Cleveland. Discuss.

*Laughs in Ricky Davis*

FIFY

[jeeph]

He plays a lot like a former PG we've had, Mark Price.

He really does. Theyve thrown around the nash comp lately but i was like why dont u keep it in house? Price is a lot like that too.

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I think people say Nash over Price because of the style of passing. Price was a safe passer, like Lowry or CP3 for example. Not flashy but highly effective, low turnover passes on time. Mobley fits the big man mold of that like Brad Daugherty and Duncan. Where as Garland has a bit more street style like Nash rather than technical in his passing techniques.

[jbk1234]

THey should get Lebron back.

just give us garland and mobley hes all yours

Nah, we'll just wait for him to demand a buyout.

[JonFromVA]

He really stunts Garland's game but Gilbert does love Sexton so unfortunately he probably will be there next season, even if on the QO.

They changed Collin's role this year so he couldn't stop the ball or prevent Garland from running the offense, they just barely got a chance to try it.

If they have a better option at SG, Collin can come off the bench, but the Cavs need more talent and giving what they have away is not helpful. As his value around the league plummets, so does the cost of signing him and the risk of keeping him.

Great attitude, great kid, hard worker and just wants to win .... should be able to work that out.

Sexton is a gym rat and is probably a nice guy. However, he's a blackhole on offense and a turnstile on defense; seems counterintuitive to a winning brand of basketball.

Collin just turned 23, so he can still improve but we've seen "blackholes's" repurposed to contribute to winning teams. One path was to get him to accept a 6th man role at a price where that's not crazy. All signs are that his next contract will allow for that option, the rest is up to him really wanting to do whatever it takes to best contribute.

The Cavs still need a better option at starting SG ... Okoro and even Stevens seem to lack secondary playmaking. So unless Mobley can fill that role soon there are issues using either of them over Sexton.