Tank World Order (7.0)

[Coco Costanza]

It’s honestly sad to see the state that tWo is in. I didn’t think they could get any lower but they have proven me wrong.

They are doubling down on terrible takes and it’s just embarrassing to see. A compilation of tWo’s bad takes needs to be done one of these days. Starting off with them saying Birch and Gillespie ruined the tank and that Masai was making a push for the play-in.

Why don't you just stop visiting this thread altogether? Literally no one will miss you.

[Johnny Bball]

I posted this before in this same thread. Once you get past the top picks, the draft flattens out.

https://www.pdg-analytics.com/articles/nba-draft-all-star-correlations

"Moreover, probability of drafting an All-Star player flattens to 0.06 for draft picks beyond the top-10 (including the second round). Also, the fraction of All-Star players from the last 29 years that were selected in the second round is 0.13+/-0.03."


Statistically, there is no real difference between the 11th pick (probably the low for the Raps) and the 16th or 17th pick. People get hyped up on the draft every year and every year we see the same thing; the vast majority of guys picked after the top picks never really become a part of a teams core. Tanking for the 10th pick when you can make the postseason in a year without any scary teams is just a terrible decision thats not supported by the numbers.

You don't need to tank, just stop playing the starters 40+ minutes and have a regular rotation like a normal team and allocate more shots to the young guys. If the bench loses us games then it is what it is. What's the point of playing the starters heavy minutes and getting them banged up for? To win 41 games instead of 36? That's pointless and shortsighted.

Also every draft is different, there are anomalies in every draft range if we stretch back and look at NBA history (Klay, Paul George, Giannis, Booker, Dirk, Kobe, etc. All in that low lotto range). Can't just assume a pick is worthless.

Need to remind the people who like mediocrity that the Raps can't afford to keep running their beloved Pascal and Senior to the ground. Need to add elite and quality players to the squad to be a true contender. Ain't happening via free agency, nor with the Raps current bench.

Best option is the NBA draft. Simple.

"People who like mediocrity" ... Where do you guys actually pull this from.

[will]

It’s honestly sad to see the state that tWo is in. I didn’t think they could get any lower but they have proven me wrong.

They are doubling down on terrible takes and it’s just embarrassing to see. A compilation of tWo’s bad takes needs to be done one of these days. Starting off with them saying Birch and Gillespie ruined the tank and that Masai was making a push for the play-in.

Why don't you just stop visiting this thread altogether? Literally no one will miss you.

Been telling that poster that.

Keeps returning like a scorned (insert your preferred pronoun).

[Los_29]

It’s honestly sad to see the state that tWo is in. I didn’t think they could get any lower but they have proven me wrong.

They are doubling down on terrible takes and it’s just embarrassing to see. A compilation of tWo’s bad takes needs to be done one of these days. Starting off with them saying Birch and Gillespie ruined the tank and that Masai was making a push for the play-in.

Why don't you just stop visiting this thread altogether? Literally no one will miss you.

Been telling that poster that.

Keeps returning like a scorned (insert your preferred pronoun).

I'm just looking for answers.

Hey Will, how do you propose we get into the high lottery with this current team?

[Parataxis]

It’s honestly sad to see the state that tWo is in. I didn’t think they could get any lower but they have proven me wrong.

They are doubling down on terrible takes and it’s just embarrassing to see. A compilation of tWo’s bad takes needs to be done one of these days. Starting off with them saying Birch and Gillespie ruined the tank and that Masai was making a push for the play-in.

Why don't you just stop visiting this thread altogether? Literally no one will miss you.

Been telling that poster that.

Keeps returning like a scorned (insert your preferred pronoun).

Why do you keep responding to and/or posting about him then?

If you don't want to interact with him... why not just stop interacting with him?

[will]

Why don't you just stop visiting this thread altogether? Literally no one will miss you.

Been telling that poster that.

Keeps returning like a scorned (insert your preferred pronoun).

Why do you keep responding to and/or posting about him then?

If you don't want to interact with him... why not just stop interacting with him?

If you are speaking to me...I absolutely did.

Put him on the 'foes' list so that I don't see his posts. Yet somehow I still see that he quotes some of the stuff I post in this exact thread.

[Parataxis]

Been telling that poster that.

Keeps returning like a scorned (insert your preferred pronoun).

Why do you keep responding to and/or posting about him then?

If you don't want to interact with him... why not just stop interacting with him?

If you are speaking to me...I absolutely did.

Put him on the 'foes' list so that I don't see his posts. Yet somehow I still see that he quotes some of the stuff I post in this exact thread.

You put him on your 'foes' list, but you keep on posting about him regardless.

[will]

Why do you keep responding to and/or posting about him then?

If you don't want to interact with him... why not just stop interacting with him?

If you are speaking to me...I absolutely did.

Put him on the 'foes' list so that I don't see his posts. Yet somehow I still see that he quotes some of the stuff I post in this exact thread.

You put him on your 'foes' list, but you keep on posting about him regardless.

Because at this point, it is humorous. Literally, telling someone on a message board to stop interacting with me, but they wont.

[will]

Gonna go grab a slice of panettone and some tea here while you go back and forth.

[ATLTimekeeper]

Damn, a guy goes from 13-17 fga’s a game to all of a sudden 18-27 fga’s between a 2 week stretch against a bunch of depleted teams where higher fga’s aren’t even required for the win right before the allstar team is being selected, must be a coincidence.

Weak take.

Barnes taking shots is worthwhile since he has unlimited potential so letting him make mistakes, spread his wings is worthwhile. Freddy Allstar taking 18+ shots is pointless because he’s gonna get exposed in the playoffs as the primary guy because he’s a midget that lacks athleticism (like he’s starting to already).

How does he have unlimited potential? Is he LeBron now? The guy wasn't even a scorer in high school. They're already letting him make loads of mistakes and gets loads of minutes for a rookie. Team-leading FGAs isn't spreading wings.

Fred doesn't have to be the primary guy. There's also Siakam and then OG as the 3rd option. He just has to get the Raptors to the playoffs so that Scottie knows how hard he has to work in the off-season. We know that as a complimentary scorer Fred can't be denied, which is why he was in consideration for Finals MVP and took out the Bucks. We know that he absolutely demolished the Nets in the first round a few years ago.

[720]

Damn, a guy goes from 13-17 fga’s a game to all of a sudden 18-27 fga’s between a 2 week stretch against a bunch of depleted teams where higher fga’s aren’t even required for the win right before the allstar team is being selected, must be a coincidence.

Weak take.

Barnes taking shots is worthwhile since he has unlimited potential so letting him make mistakes, spread his wings is worthwhile. Freddy Allstar taking 18+ shots is pointless because he’s gonna get exposed in the playoffs as the primary guy because he’s a midget that lacks athleticism (like he’s starting to already).

How does he have unlimited potential? Is he LeBron now? The guy wasn't even a scorer in high school. They're already letting him make loads of mistakes and gets loads of minutes for a rookie. Team-leading FGAs isn't spreading wings.

Fred doesn't have to be the primary guy. There's also Siakam and then OG as the 3rd option. He just has to get the Raptors to the playoffs so that Scottie knows how hard he has to work in the off-season. We know that as a complimentary scorer Fred can't be denied, which is why he was in consideration for Finals MVP and took out the Bucks. We know that he absolutely demolished the Nets in the first round a few years ago.

Not weak, just no rebuttal because evidence is clear.

Putting down the rookie sensation who has shown multiple times that he can be a dynamic player to justify Fred's chucking. Disappointing.

Also Bucks Fred is ideal, never said otherwise. I love that Fred. Someone that played off ball with some minor facilitating role that took around 8-13 shots. That's money. The 25-27 percent usage rate Fred we're seeing now is what's not ideal. Sure he's fine now but vs good teams (the ones he'll see in the playoffs) he'll easily get shut down with his current role. Due to his athletic limitations and size.

I like the direction Nurse is going with expanding Siakam's point forward role and allowing Fred to go back to what he's great at (he's doing it out of necessity because even someone like Matthews who is 35 years old and washed can slow Fred down by hounding him).

[bballsparkin]

Spoiler:

I'm all for a good ole tank when the stars align. Got to roll with the punches though. Like water.



Tanking definitely works. When the timing works. Sometimes playoffs is alright too. Ignoring the play-in, right now it would be the Raps #8 vs Bulls #1. Hell ya, bring it. DeMar playing in Tdot on another team that's good. That's good fun.

The team is rebuilding and adding assets. The FO has been patient and not rushed for the sake of making moves. I'm cool with that.

Love him or hate him, FVV is playing well and is a good trade chip. Also worth keeping. I can say the same for Pascal, OG, GTjr and especially Barnes.

This thread reads like reality tv sometimes. Both sides.

It actually doesnt work

Sure thing.

[KL78192020]

If you are speaking to me...I absolutely did.

Put him on the 'foes' list so that I don't see his posts. Yet somehow I still see that he quotes some of the stuff I post in this exact thread.

You put him on your 'foes' list, but you keep on posting about him regardless.

Because at this point, it is humorous. Literally, telling someone on a message board to stop interacting with me, but they wont.

He's like a 5 year old kid trying to get attention from mom or dad lol he needs you.

[KL78192020]

Spoiler:

I'm all for a good ole tank when the stars align. Got to roll with the punches though. Like water.



Tanking definitely works. When the timing works. Sometimes playoffs is alright too. Ignoring the play-in, right now it would be the Raps #8 vs Bulls #1. Hell ya, bring it. DeMar playing in Tdot on another team that's good. That's good fun.

The team is rebuilding and adding assets. The FO has been patient and not rushed for the sake of making moves. I'm cool with that.

Love him or hate him, FVV is playing well and is a good trade chip. Also worth keeping. I can say the same for Pascal, OG, GTjr and especially Barnes.

This thread reads like reality tv sometimes. Both sides.

It actually doesnt work

Sure thing.

Bro what are you talking about, Scottie came out of thin air, it was a magical night Masai clapped his hands and boom! has nothing to with tanking!

[Los_29]

Spoiler:

I'm all for a good ole tank when the stars align. Got to roll with the punches though. Like water.



Tanking definitely works. When the timing works. Sometimes playoffs is alright too. Ignoring the play-in, right now it would be the Raps #8 vs Bulls #1. Hell ya, bring it. DeMar playing in Tdot on another team that's good. That's good fun.

The team is rebuilding and adding assets. The FO has been patient and not rushed for the sake of making moves. I'm cool with that.

Love him or hate him, FVV is playing well and is a good trade chip. Also worth keeping. I can say the same for Pascal, OG, GTjr and especially Barnes.

This thread reads like reality tv sometimes. Both sides.

It actually doesnt work

Sure thing.

[Johnny Bball]

Damn, a guy goes from 13-17 fga’s a game to all of a sudden 18-27 fga’s between a 2 week stretch against a bunch of depleted teams where higher fga’s aren’t even required for the win right before the allstar team is being selected, must be a coincidence.

Weak take.

Barnes taking shots is worthwhile since he has unlimited potential so letting him make mistakes, spread his wings is worthwhile. Freddy Allstar taking 18+ shots is pointless because he’s gonna get exposed in the playoffs as the primary guy because he’s a midget that lacks athleticism (like he’s starting to already).

How does he have unlimited potential? Is he LeBron now? The guy wasn't even a scorer in high school. They're already letting him make loads of mistakes and gets loads of minutes for a rookie. Team-leading FGAs isn't spreading wings.

Fred doesn't have to be the primary guy. There's also Siakam and then OG as the 3rd option. He just has to get the Raptors to the playoffs so that Scottie knows how hard he has to work in the off-season. We know that as a complimentary scorer Fred can't be denied, which is why he was in consideration for Finals MVP and took out the Bucks. We know that he absolutely demolished the Nets in the first round a few years ago.

Not weak, just no rebuttal because evidence is clear.

Putting down the rookie sensation who has shown multiple times that he can be a dynamic player to justify Fred's chucking. Disappointing.

Also Bucks Fred is ideal, never said otherwise. I love that Fred. Someone that played off ball with some minor facilitating role that took around 8-13 shots. That's money. The 25-27 percent usage rate Fred we're seeing now is what's not ideal. Sure he's fine now but vs good teams (the ones he'll see in the playoffs) he'll easily get shut down with his current role. Due to his athletic limitations and size.

I like the direction Nurse is going with expanding Siakam's point forward role and allowing Fred to go back to what he's great at (he's doing it out of necessity because even someone like Matthews who is 35 years old and washed can slow Fred down by hounding him).

You think it's Nurse trying to expand Siakam's role, when FVV is double teamed all night? Even when you lie and try to just say it was Matthews it doesn't make any of it fact. Just another L.

Or you could admit didn't even watch the game since nobody could miss that.

[Yeezus_]

Weak take.



How does he have unlimited potential? Is he LeBron now? The guy wasn't even a scorer in high school. They're already letting him make loads of mistakes and gets loads of minutes for a rookie. Team-leading FGAs isn't spreading wings.

Fred doesn't have to be the primary guy. There's also Siakam and then OG as the 3rd option. He just has to get the Raptors to the playoffs so that Scottie knows how hard he has to work in the off-season. We know that as a complimentary scorer Fred can't be denied, which is why he was in consideration for Finals MVP and took out the Bucks. We know that he absolutely demolished the Nets in the first round a few years ago.

Not weak, just no rebuttal because evidence is clear.

Putting down the rookie sensation who has shown multiple times that he can be a dynamic player to justify Fred's chucking. Disappointing.

Also Bucks Fred is ideal, never said otherwise. I love that Fred. Someone that played off ball with some minor facilitating role that took around 8-13 shots. That's money. The 25-27 percent usage rate Fred we're seeing now is what's not ideal. Sure he's fine now but vs good teams (the ones he'll see in the playoffs) he'll easily get shut down with his current role. Due to his athletic limitations and size.

I like the direction Nurse is going with expanding Siakam's point forward role and allowing Fred to go back to what he's great at (he's doing it out of necessity because even someone like Matthews who is 35 years old and washed can slow Fred down by hounding him).

You think it's Nurse trying to expand Siakam's role, when FVV is double teamed all night? Even when you lie and try to just say it was Matthews it doesn't make any of it fact. Just another L.

Or you could admit didn't even watch the game since nobody could miss that.

This was my thought. I have no idea what he's watching when he says "Bucks Fred is ideal" as if Fred was just playing off-ball the entire game. The Bucks were literally trapping him on every PnR. He was not doing anything differently last night vs. previous nights. He's just making the right reads based on how he's being defended. I don't get what's so difficult for him to understand. For someone who has no idea what he's talking about, he sure types alot.

[HumbleRen]

Watch on YouTube

Like this kid, only 18 too.

[bballsparkin]

Oh are we doing gifs? I love gifs!

[KL78192020]

Oh are we doing gifs? I love gifs!

It's always a good last resort when he runs out of valid points and can't think.