Last Train to Celticsville Trade Thread

[CelticFaninLBC]

I think the key is bringing them in a power forward.

Find the power forward and you can get white.
Roco maybe?

I think they try to get Jerami Grant or Harrison Barnes, but I doubt they'll deal off Patrick Williams for either.

The Bulls are 20th in defensive rating and 3rd in offensive rating. Swapping Coby White for Smart could be a solid move for CHI. A lineup of Vuc, DeRozan, LaVine, Smart and Lonzo has pretty good size.

They have to match salaries and the cash gap is too large in all those.

They have Derrick Jones $9.7m expiring contract. Jones & White for Grant works in the trade checker, but DET will ask for more.

[Curmudgeon]

My guess is that the Pistons will want prospects and picks for Grant. They have Cade Cunningham and Killian Hayes, so I'm not sure why they would want White.

If I were the Pistons, I'd be trying to use Grant to get a bigger fish, maybe Grant and a first (which is going to be lottery) for Kuminga and Wiseman. The Pistons build around Cunningham, Kuminga and Wiseman, along with their other young pieces.

If Golden State says no, they could call Atlanta and go after Collins.

[Sactowndog]

That's just false. Criticize Morey for setting too high a bar if you want, and maybe things change as time goes on, but his leaks have consistently said Fox was not a target and that was re-emphasized as recently as this week.

My understanding was it was true and he asked for what I heard. It’s what I heard. Whether you have other more accurate data I can’t say and don’t really care.

Are you claiming reporting to that effect or something someone told you in private?

Reporting. It was what was reported in Sac. It could be false but it was an answer to the question. Given it’s water under the bridge not important either way.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Bulls aren’t likely to deal White.. maybe for Grant or Barnes. He’s playing up to his draft position lately and keeping it up.

[Dangit]

Keep Tatum and Brown together. I hatge this young generation that are so goddamn impatient and want everything to happen now. I'm an oldtimer with not much time and STILL I have more patience than most younger idiots. Stop being so damn impatent and wanting everytbing now instant microwave immediately. I realize it's the time you're born in and what has been done to you with fast twitch everything from videos to music to....every damn thing. It's your generations that have been born and bred with short attention spans and have gotten your basketball knowledge and skill from video games. Give them time to gel and figure out how to play together and we will ahve something special. But not if you want results now immediately hurry up and the attention span that Allah gave a friggin knat or a hummingbird.

This is a horrible take , They have been together Plenty of time to Gel ...
They aren't a great fit next to each other , If you can Trade Brown for someone that will be better for Tatum and the team you do it . If you wait around for them to " gel" and they don't and both become not satisfied being in Boston then you are looking at a long long time for another rebuild.
The Roster has to change and you need to Move Brown while people still think he is better then he actually is .

[DarkAzcura]

Keep Tatum and Brown together. I hatge this young generation that are so goddamn impatient and want everything to happen now. I'm an oldtimer with not much time and STILL I have more patience than most younger idiots. Stop being so damn impatent and wanting everytbing now instant microwave immediately. I realize it's the time you're born in and what has been done to you with fast twitch everything from videos to music to....every damn thing. It's your generations that have been born and bred with short attention spans and have gotten your basketball knowledge and skill from video games. Give them time to gel and figure out how to play together and we will ahve something special. But not if you want results now immediately hurry up and the attention span that Allah gave a friggin knat or a hummingbird.

This is a horrible take , They have been together Plenty of time to Gel ...
They aren't a great fit next to each other , If you can Trade Brown for someone that will be better for Tatum and the team you do it . If you wait around for them to " gel" and they don't and both become not satisfied being in Boston then you are looking at a long long time for another rebuild.
The Roster has to change and you need to Move Brown while people still think he is better then he actually is .

To be honest, they’ve always had other players a bit in the way if the goal was to see if Tatum/Brown could work together as the two ball dominant guys.

In 2018, we had Kyrie up until he was injured. Tatum/Brown got to the ECFs together after the injuries, but Horford was our central playmaker, and Rozier was just as important a scorer in those playoffs to some extent.

In 2019, Kyrie and Hayward were back. Even Morris was taking more shots than Brown, and Tatum was barely taking more shots than Morris. Obviously this year was a fail, but Brown/Tatum were far from being the number 1/2 guys on this team. Brown was the 4th, 5th, or even 6th guy depending on the night. Tatum was the 2nd guy but barely. It could be argued Horford was our 2nd guy considering his playmaking responsibility. That team was a mess.

In 2020, Kemba was the number 1 option for the beginning of the season until Tatum took over a couple months in. Brown was still “fighting” with Hayward for who was the 3rd option in this season, though. It could be argued Hayward was our 3rd option with his playmaking ability. So here, you had a situation where Tatum was the number 1 option but Brown was arguably the 4th option depending on the night. That team was stacked and having Brown as your 3rd-4th option is a big reason they almost got to the Finals.

In 2021, this was the first season where Tatum and Brown were definitely the number 1 and 2 guys. This was only last season. Even then, Kemba was constantly trying to re-assert himself as at least the 2nd option so that didn’t really help with Tatum/Brown gelling.

And now, we are here, 2022, and yeah, this is the 2nd full season where Tatum and Brown are the center and the core. The 2 guys, and that’s it.

I actually wouldn’t say they have had a lot of time to figure out how to work together on their own to be honest. That’s why some of us want to see the Celtics get a real knockdown shooter and playmaker before they give up on Tatum/Brown. There’s a big difference between being role players and “part” of the team vs BEING the team. That shift didn’t quite happen for both at the same time until 2020-2021.

[Dangit]

Keep Tatum and Brown together. I hatge this young generation that are so goddamn impatient and want everything to happen now. I'm an oldtimer with not much time and STILL I have more patience than most younger idiots. Stop being so damn impatent and wanting everytbing now instant microwave immediately. I realize it's the time you're born in and what has been done to you with fast twitch everything from videos to music to....every damn thing. It's your generations that have been born and bred with short attention spans and have gotten your basketball knowledge and skill from video games. Give them time to gel and figure out how to play together and we will ahve something special. But not if you want results now immediately hurry up and the attention span that Allah gave a friggin knat or a hummingbird.

This is a horrible take , They have been together Plenty of time to Gel ...
They aren't a great fit next to each other , If you can Trade Brown for someone that will be better for Tatum and the team you do it . If you wait around for them to " gel" and they don't and both become not satisfied being in Boston then you are looking at a long long time for another rebuild.
The Roster has to change and you need to Move Brown while people still think he is better then he actually is .

To be honest, they’ve always had other players a bit in the way if the goal was to see if Tatum/Brown could work together as the two ball dominant guys.

In 2018, we had Kyrie up until he was injured. Tatum/Brown got to the ECFs together after the injuries, but Horford was our central playmaker, and Rozier was just as important a scorer in those playoffs to some extent.

In 2019, Kyrie and Hayward were back. Even Morris was taking more shots than Brown, and Tatum was barely taking more shots than Morris. Obviously this year was a fail, but Brown/Tatum were far from being the number 1/2 guys on this team.

In 2020, Kemba was the number 1 option for the beginning of the season until Tatum took over. Brown was still “fighting” with Hayward for who was the 3rd option in this season, though. It could be argued, Hayward was our 3rd option to be honest with his playmaking ability. So here, you had a situation where Tatum was the number 1 option but Brown was arguably the 4th option depending on the night.

In 2021, this was the first season where Tatum and Brown were definitely the number 1 and 2 guys. This was only last season. Even then, Kemba was constantly trying to re-assert himself as at least the 2nd option so that didn’t really help with Tatum/Brown gelling.

And now, we are here, 2022, and yeah, this is the 2nd full season where Tatum and Brown are the center and the core. The 2 guys, and that’s it.

I actually wouldn’t say they have had a lot of time to figure out how to work together on their own to be honest. That’s why some of us want to see the Celtics get a real knockdown shooter and playmaker before they give up on Tatum/Brown.

What Good is it to have a knock down shooter when you have two guys who from game to game decide to not pass the ball even when they can't hit anything themself ?
Im no Insider but I know for a 100% fact that the reason Hayward wanted out is Because he hated playing with Jaylen , And like him or not Hayward is EXACTLY the player you want in between these two . I Understand not wanting to give up Jaylen fora simple change , But if the change makes the overall team fit better then by all means we should do it .
I mean if we just charge ahead and hope things change if we add another shooter and we end up a first round exit for the next few years and then they BOTH bounce to another team ... Where does that leave us ?

We need to make the Roster BETTER , if you can do that without trading Brown .. By all means but I don't know if his basketball IQ is ever going to be what a winning team needs as the #2 Guy

[Andrew McCeltic]

Don't think I posted this.. 26 and 12 from Bagley. Don't know if it's Gentry, free agency, maturation, but the hustle and focus are undeniable. Alert on offense, good spacing and timing in the paint to get assisted dunks. His athleticism makes him an excellent rebounder. Very uneven shooter, missed a lot of bunnies and midrange jumpers, has nights where he makes them. Three-ball unreliable too.

The problem is that he's finally playing with the motor and concentration you want, but he's the same player he was when he came in the league. Athletic, good rebounder, up and down shooting, plus hustle.

Detroit probably throws some money at him if they don't get locked up waiting on Ayton. Low odds Bagley lives up to his draft hype, although he'd explode offensively if he locked in his shot. But busts can have solid careers, Kwame Brown ended up a nice defensive 5..

Looks like a more expensive, higher upside Jalen Smith. QO is 7 million if he starts less than 41 games or plays less than 2000 minutes..

Watch on YouTube

[Curmudgeon]

Bagley obviously has talent-- he showed that at Duke-- but he's another injury waiting to happen. What package would you be willing to give up for him that the Kings would accept?

[snowman]

I have never posted a Jaylen Brown trade idea. This will be the first.

Jaylen Brown
Dennis Schroder
to Phoenix

for

Deandre Ayton
Cameron Payne
Jalen Smith

Why for Phoenix:

Phoenix gets a second all-star to pair with Devin Booker in Brown, and get a backup, future possible starter in Schroder after Chris Paul retires. They give up Ayton who they don't seem to want to resign, Smith who they have not picked up his option, and Payne who is their most prized player of the 3 in the idea.

Why for Boston:

Boston gets a starting center in Ayton, and a starting PG in Payne to go with Tatum, Smart and Rob Williams for a starting 5. Then they get a backup 4/5 in Smith to go with PP, Langford, Nesmith and Grant Williams as your bench, and take 9 million off the cap, which puts them 3 mil under the tax, to sign a couple minimum FA to bring us up to 15.

Now, is this fair, or do picks need to one way or the other?

[Andrew McCeltic]

Bagley obviously has talent-- he showed that at Duke-- but he's another injury waiting to happen. What package would you be willing to give up for him that the Kings would accept?

I don't know how much injury risk there is now. Package is the problem - tax issues for us, there's a chance they just keep him, & he's headed to free agency and could get overpaid on potential. More of a "keep an eye on" post. Doesn't look like there's a path to add him and get under the tax unless we traded Horford somewhere.

Other guy to "keep an eye on" is Bamba - word ORL wants a 1st but could settle for a 2nd or two like they did with Fournier. Also a risk to get overpaid on potential, he's still just a raw counting stats guy. But if his three ball ticks up a little (he's 32 percent now - better than Horford!) you could play him with Rob like a poor man's Evan Mobley. Has health and minutes for the first time and he's showing a little.

He'll be 24 in May, he'll never be Gobert with a 3 ball but he could be Nerlens Noel with a 3 ball.

[Dangit]

I have never posted a Jaylen Brown trade idea. This will be the first.

Jaylen Brown
Dennis Schroder
to Phoenix

for

Deandre Ayton
Cameron Payne
Jalen Smith

Why for Phoenix:

Phoenix gets a second all-star to pair with Devin Booker in Brown, and get a backup, future possible starter in Schroder after Chris Paul retires. They give up Ayton who they don't seem to want to resign, Smith who they have not picked up his option, and Payne who is their most prized player of the 3 in the idea.

Why for Boston:

Boston gets a starting center in Ayton, and a starting PG in Payne to go with Tatum, Smart and Rob Williams for a starting 5. Then they get a backup 4/5 in Smith to go with PP, Langford, Nesmith and Grant Williams as your bench, and take 9 million off the cap, which puts them 3 mil under the tax, to sign a couple minimum FA to bring us up to 15.

Now, is this fair, or do picks need to one way or the other?

I just don't see why phx would do this ...
I'd definitely do it lol .... but I don't think phx would. And another double big lineup would leave us with not alot of outside options ...

[Larry_Russell]

I have never posted a Jaylen Brown trade idea. This will be the first.

Jaylen Brown
Dennis Schroder
to Phoenix

for

Deandre Ayton
Cameron Payne
Jalen Smith

Why for Phoenix:

Phoenix gets a second all-star to pair with Devin Booker in Brown, and get a backup, future possible starter in Schroder after Chris Paul retires. They give up Ayton who they don't seem to want to resign, Smith who they have not picked up his option, and Payne who is their most prized player of the 3 in the idea.

Why for Boston:

Boston gets a starting center in Ayton, and a starting PG in Payne to go with Tatum, Smart and Rob Williams for a starting 5. Then they get a backup 4/5 in Smith to go with PP, Langford, Nesmith and Grant Williams as your bench, and take 9 million off the cap, which puts them 3 mil under the tax, to sign a couple minimum FA to bring us up to 15.

Now, is this fair, or do picks need to one way or the other?

I dont think that makes sense.

Rob fits quite well here at center. I thinknits a downgrade in talent.

[Larry_Russell]

Don't think I posted this.. 26 and 12 from Bagley. Don't know if it's Gentry, free agency, maturation, but the hustle and focus are undeniable. Alert on offense, good spacing and timing in the paint to get assisted dunks. His athleticism makes him an excellent rebounder. Very uneven shooter, missed a lot of bunnies and midrange jumpers, has nights where he makes them. Three-ball unreliable too.

The problem is that he's finally playing with the motor and concentration you want, but he's the same player he was when he came in the league. Athletic, good rebounder, up and down shooting, plus hustle.

Detroit probably throws some money at him if they don't get locked up waiting on Ayton. Low odds Bagley lives up to his draft hype, although he'd explode offensively if he locked in his shot. But busts can have solid careers, Kwame Brown ended up a nice defensive 5..

Looks like a more expensive, higher upside Jalen Smith. QO is 7 million if he starts less than 41 games or plays less than 2000 minutes..

Watch on YouTube

Would gladly take bagley and barnes for horford and a pick/young guy

[Andrew McCeltic]

Think Barnes has more value than that.. Al for Hield/Bagley gets SAC out of Buddy's money. Send Nesmith too..? But we trade Al and we go from a 42-44 win team to a 38-40..

[bisme37]

This Jalen Smith fella: I don't dislike him but I don't understand what we're going to do with him if we acquire him. Seems like a fairly average player at a position we don't really need to improve as much as the positions. So he's just a weird target to me. What am I missing?

[Andrew McCeltic]

Don't think I posted this.. 26 and 12 from Bagley. Don't know if it's Gentry, free agency, maturation, but the hustle and focus are undeniable. Alert on offense, good spacing and timing in the paint to get assisted dunks. His athleticism makes him an excellent rebounder. Very uneven shooter, missed a lot of bunnies and midrange jumpers, has nights where he makes them. Three-ball unreliable too.

The problem is that he's finally playing with the motor and concentration you want, but he's the same player he was when he came in the league. Athletic, good rebounder, up and down shooting, plus hustle.

Detroit probably throws some money at him if they don't get locked up waiting on Ayton. Low odds Bagley lives up to his draft hype, although he'd explode offensively if he locked in his shot. But busts can have solid careers, Kwame Brown ended up a nice defensive 5..

Looks like a more expensive, higher upside Jalen Smith. QO is 7 million if he starts less than 41 games or plays less than 2000 minutes..

Watch on YouTube

Would gladly take bagley and barnes for horford and a pick/young guy

Higher end would be Horford/Nesmith/1st, Horford/Nesmith/Grant, or Schroeder to a third team who sends value to the Kings..

Actually like it.. Barnes is only 20 million next year, you play him or Tatum at the 4, flyer on Bagley off the bench as a 4/5..

[Andrew McCeltic]

This Jalen Smith fella: I don't dislike him but I don't understand what we're going to do with him if we acquire him. Seems like a fairly average player at a position we don't really need to improve as much as the positions. So he's just a weird target to me. What am I missing?

Low price, high role-player upside

[snowman]

I have never posted a Jaylen Brown trade idea. This will be the first.

Jaylen Brown
Dennis Schroder
to Phoenix

for

Deandre Ayton
Cameron Payne
Jalen Smith

Why for Phoenix:

Phoenix gets a second all-star to pair with Devin Booker in Brown, and get a backup, future possible starter in Schroder after Chris Paul retires. They give up Ayton who they don't seem to want to resign, Smith who they have not picked up his option, and Payne who is their most prized player of the 3 in the idea.

Why for Boston:

Boston gets a starting center in Ayton, and a starting PG in Payne to go with Tatum, Smart and Rob Williams for a starting 5. Then they get a backup 4/5 in Smith to go with PP, Langford, Nesmith and Grant Williams as your bench, and take 9 million off the cap, which puts them 3 mil under the tax, to sign a couple minimum FA to bring us up to 15.

Now, is this fair, or do picks need to one way or the other?

I dont think that makes sense.

Rob fits quite well here at center. I thinknits a downgrade in talent.

I agree:
that's why I don't do Brown trade ideas. I really don't think we should split him and Tatum up. I think we should do all we can for a third scoring option at PF or SG. Preferable at PF.

[bisme37]

This Jalen Smith fella: I don't dislike him but I don't understand what we're going to do with him if we acquire him. Seems like a fairly average player at a position we don't really need to improve as much as the positions. So he's just a weird target to me. What am I missing?

Low price, high role-player upside

Yeah I guess but you could say that about a lot of young players. I just don't get why they're (reportedly) going after one at a position we don't really need. I'm not a Schroder fan at this point but the C's need ball handling and scoring more than another big to sit on the bench. Schroder for Smith makes the team even more imbalanced imo.