Trade Ideas

[JonFromVA]

Sort of like KPJ, Cam is a lot more hype and faith than performance. The Cavs reporters have leaked out there's more to the Cavs lack of interest but didn't elaborate.

Anyway, the Cavs can get someone who might contribute at some point for a lot less via the draft; if they make a trade, what they need is someone ready to step in to the rotation and contribute now.

[mcfly1204]

I was thinking about this the other night, but hypothetically, what do we think it would take to pry Dejounte Murray away from SA? At first glance, the thought of having two legit PGs starting probably seems off, but when you look at how well Garland and Rubio played together, the pairing would be interesting.

[jbk1234]

I was thinking about this the other night, but hypothetically, what do we think it would take to pry Dejounte Murray away from SA? At first glance, the thought of having two legit PGs starting probably seems off, but when you look at how well Garland and Rubio played together, the pairing would be interesting.

If we're not bringing in a legitimate outside shooter to play next to Garland, I'd rather roll with Okoro.

[KuruptedCav]

I was thinking about this the other night, but hypothetically, what do we think it would take to pry Dejounte Murray away from SA? At first glance, the thought of having two legit PGs starting probably seems off, but when you look at how well Garland and Rubio played together, the pairing would be interesting.

You have to pay a premium (Okoro, Sexton, 2FRPs?) to acquire him, without fully utilizing the player for whom you are trading.

I think it works better with a player who is miscast as a PG (Seth Curry) or an aging vet transitioning roles (Rubio, Conley) who possess the skills but aren’t competing to be alpha.


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[jbk1234]

I was thinking about this the other night, but hypothetically, what do we think it would take to pry Dejounte Murray away from SA? At first glance, the thought of having two legit PGs starting probably seems off, but when you look at how well Garland and Rubio played together, the pairing would be interesting.

You have to pay a premium (Okoro, Sexton, 2FRPs?) to acquire him, without fully utilizing the player for whom you are trading.

I think it works better with a player who is miscast as a PG (Seth Curry) or an aging vet transitioning roles (Rubio, Conley) who possess the skills but aren’t competing to be alpha.


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I like Murray, but he's not the guy the Cavs need and there's simply no way the Cavs should consider him at that price. Fun fact, he's five years older than Okoro, and Murray's second year numbers, were exactly the same. Defense first guards don't develop offensively over a cup of coffee, but that doesn't mean they don't develop.

[KuruptedCav]

What draft capital goes with Ricky Rubio in a deal for Josh Richardson & Dennis Schroeder?


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[Harper4Ferry?]

What draft capital goes with Ricky Rubio in a deal for Josh Richardson & Dennis Schroeder?


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Did we get a DPE for Rubio? if so you could acquire Schroeder for a couple seconds (or a first) and send Windler to someone and I think that keeps us right under the tax line. We'd be capped at only being able to offer Schroeder at 7.1 million next year most likely so he's basically a rental I'd think.

[jbk1234]

I think Schroder is mad overrated. J. Rich I get.

[KuruptedCav]

I think Schroder is mad overrated. J. Rich I get.

Yeah, Richardson was my focal, but lining up the $ and staying under the tax are challenging. Adding Schroeder makes it fit perfectly.

I’m ambivalent towards Dennis, but, short-term rental, and if he can help give Garland a breather or give us a glimpse of a Sexton2.0 pairing, that could be useful for planning 2022/23.


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[LivingLegend]

What draft capital goes with Ricky Rubio in a deal for Josh Richardson & Dennis Schroeder?


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Did we get a DPE for Rubio? if so you could acquire Schroeder for a couple seconds (or a first) and send Windler to someone and I think that keeps us right under the tax line. We'd be capped at only being able to offer Schroeder at 7.1 million next year most likely so he's basically a rental I'd think.

Not a fan of Schroeder I would rather give a injured Ricky Rubio a 7.1M contract to stay on the team next year and keep rolling with Rondo/Goodwin.

[jbk1234]

I'm increasingly of the opinion that no move, outside of a deal that's too good to pass up, is the best move. We're starting to see dividends from playing Okoro, Windler, and to a lesser extent, Goodwin. None of those players cost us anything other than the cap space they occupy. Any lateral move we make will come at the expense of their development. We're still winning. Why mess with what's working?

[JonFromVA]

I'm increasingly of the opinion that no move, outside of a deal that's too good to pass up, is the best move. We're starting to see dividends from playing Okoro, Windler, and to a lesser extent, Goodwin. None of those players cost us anything other than the cap space they occupy. Any lateral move we make will come at the expense of their development. We're still winning. Why mess with what's working?

Improve our depth, to give Garland some help when D's focus on him ... but yeah, we shouldn't be desperate - which means this will go down to the wire.

[jbk1234]

I'm increasingly of the opinion that no move, outside of a deal that's too good to pass up, is the best move. We're starting to see dividends from playing Okoro, Windler, and to a lesser extent, Goodwin. None of those players cost us anything other than the cap space they occupy. Any lateral move we make will come at the expense of their development. We're still winning. Why mess with what's working?

Improve our depth, to give Garland some help when D's focus on him ... but yeah, we shouldn't be desperate - which means this will go down to the wire.

I'm not sure we win last night if Okoro doesn't close on Kyrie.

[JonFromVA]

I'm increasingly of the opinion that no move, outside of a deal that's too good to pass up, is the best move. We're starting to see dividends from playing Okoro, Windler, and to a lesser extent, Goodwin. None of those players cost us anything other than the cap space they occupy. Any lateral move we make will come at the expense of their development. We're still winning. Why mess with what's working?

Improve our depth, to give Garland some help when D's focus on him ... but yeah, we shouldn't be desperate - which means this will go down to the wire.

I'm not sure we win last night if Okoro doesn't close on Kyrie.

Yep, I get that and if Stevens was available maybe JBB would have stuck him on Harden rather than Lauri, and then Lauri doesn't gain that experience of how to deal with him, or hit that big 3pter that broke the tie; but if you've been over to visit the Nets board you know they are constantly screaming about Steve Nash and feel he failed in the game by not forcing the ball out of Garland's hands.

So, I'd rather JBB at least have the option to help Darius out even if he sometimes tags the wrong guy for the situation.

Heck, will JBB even go to Windler again? Or is he back to the bench the moment Stevens is back?

They didn't hit many 3's but it felt like we at least had a chance to space the floor for Goodwin when JBB went with Mobley-Love-Windler-Osman. Worked in the first half, not so much in the 3rd and we had to send DG back in before the game got out of hand.

[jbk1234]

Improve our depth, to give Garland some help when D's focus on him ... but yeah, we shouldn't be desperate - which means this will go down to the wire.

I'm not sure we win last night if Okoro doesn't close on Kyrie.

Yep, I get that and if Stevens was available maybe JBB would have stuck him on Harden rather than Lauri, and then Lauri doesn't gain that experience of how to deal with him, or hit that big 3pter that broke the tie; but if you've been over to visit the Nets board you know they are constantly screaming about Steve Nash and feel he failed in the game by not forcing the ball out of Garland's hands.

So, I'd rather JBB at least have the option to help Darius out even if he sometimes tags the wrong guy for the situation.

Heck, will JBB even go to Windler again? Or is he back to the bench the moment Stevens is back?

They didn't hit many 3's but it felt like we at least had a chance to space the floor for Goodwin when JBB went with Mobley-Love-Windler-Osman. Worked in the first half, not so much in the 3rd and we had to send DG back in before the game got out of hand.

Well, if Harden was determined to get Allen switched onto him so he could engage is absurd ref baiting, I'm not sure it matters whether Lauri or Stevens gets the assignment.

Seriously though, I really like the organic growth I'm seeing from our guys and I hope the F.O. is mindful that chemistry can be a delicate thing. When things are going well, sometimes the best move is no move.

[LivingLegend]

Improve our depth, to give Garland some help when D's focus on him ... but yeah, we shouldn't be desperate - which means this will go down to the wire.

I'm not sure we win last night if Okoro doesn't close on Kyrie.

Yep, I get that and if Stevens was available maybe JBB would have stuck him on Harden rather than Lauri, and then Lauri doesn't gain that experience of how to deal with him, or hit that big 3pter that broke the tie; but if you've been over to visit the Nets board you know they are constantly screaming about Steve Nash and feel he failed in the game by not forcing the ball out of Garland's hands.

So, I'd rather JBB at least have the option to help Darius out even if he sometimes tags the wrong guy for the situation.

Heck, will JBB even go to Windler again? Or is he back to the bench the moment Stevens is back?

They didn't hit many 3's but it felt like we at least had a chance to space the floor for Goodwin when JBB went with Mobley-Love-Windler-Osman. Worked in the first half, not so much in the 3rd and we had to send DG back in before the game got out of hand.

Stevens and Okoro are a bit redundant as players so Im not sure where they go when Okoro/Stevens/Windler are all healthy. I feel like if they make a trade it would be to consolidate that rotation a bit.

Obv. with Okoros draft status, higher ceiling and better on-ball defense he gets the nod over Stevens. The difference is that Windlers skillset opens up the game a lot more and makes the 2nd unit a bit more dynamic than Stevens.

There are even guys like Wade who have been relegated to the bench though he is proven to be a very solid rotation player essentially assuming Nance's role from 3 years ago.

The question is when you have that many C+/B- level players what do you do at the deadline?

[jbk1234]

I'm not sure we win last night if Okoro doesn't close on Kyrie.

Yep, I get that and if Stevens was available maybe JBB would have stuck him on Harden rather than Lauri, and then Lauri doesn't gain that experience of how to deal with him, or hit that big 3pter that broke the tie; but if you've been over to visit the Nets board you know they are constantly screaming about Steve Nash and feel he failed in the game by not forcing the ball out of Garland's hands.

So, I'd rather JBB at least have the option to help Darius out even if he sometimes tags the wrong guy for the situation.

Heck, will JBB even go to Windler again? Or is he back to the bench the moment Stevens is back?

They didn't hit many 3's but it felt like we at least had a chance to space the floor for Goodwin when JBB went with Mobley-Love-Windler-Osman. Worked in the first half, not so much in the 3rd and we had to send DG back in before the game got out of hand.

Stevens and Okoro are a bit redundant as players so Im not sure where they go when Okoro/Stevens/Windler are all healthy. I feel like if they make a trade it would be to consolidate that rotation a bit.

Obv. with Okoros draft status, higher ceiling and better on-ball defense he gets the nod over Stevens. The difference is that Windlers skillset opens up the game a lot more and makes the 2nd unit a bit more dynamic than Stevens.

There are even guys like Wade who have been relegated to the bench though he is proven to be a very solid rotation player essentially assuming Nance's role from 3 years ago.

The question is when you have that many C+/B- level players what do you do at the deadline?

Unlike Okoro and Windler, I think Wade/Stevens are at, or very near, their ceilings. Wade doesn't shoot from distance well enough to be a second-string player which is why he's third string when everyone is healthy. Stevens is really, really limited offensively and he's not elite at anything. His primary function is to push back when the other team starts to junk up the game. On the their current contracts, they're fine for what they are which is cheap depth. I wouldn't be opposed to moving either one but I don't see other teams ascribing much trade value to them.

[JonFromVA]

I'm not sure we win last night if Okoro doesn't close on Kyrie.

Yep, I get that and if Stevens was available maybe JBB would have stuck him on Harden rather than Lauri, and then Lauri doesn't gain that experience of how to deal with him, or hit that big 3pter that broke the tie; but if you've been over to visit the Nets board you know they are constantly screaming about Steve Nash and feel he failed in the game by not forcing the ball out of Garland's hands.

So, I'd rather JBB at least have the option to help Darius out even if he sometimes tags the wrong guy for the situation.

Heck, will JBB even go to Windler again? Or is he back to the bench the moment Stevens is back?

They didn't hit many 3's but it felt like we at least had a chance to space the floor for Goodwin when JBB went with Mobley-Love-Windler-Osman. Worked in the first half, not so much in the 3rd and we had to send DG back in before the game got out of hand.

Stevens and Okoro are a bit redundant as players so Im not sure where they go when Okoro/Stevens/Windler are all healthy. I feel like if they make a trade it would be to consolidate that rotation a bit.

Obv. with Okoros draft status, higher ceiling and better on-ball defense he gets the nod over Stevens. The difference is that Windlers skillset opens up the game a lot more and makes the 2nd unit a bit more dynamic than Stevens.

There are even guys like Wade who have been relegated to the bench though he is proven to be a very solid rotation player essentially assuming Nance's role from 3 years ago.

The question is when you have that many C+/B- level players what do you do at the deadline?

Fortunately I'm not Koby Altman and it's not my job to make the tough choices; so, my take is a bit of a cop out in that I'd look for a move that uses spare parts to add a rotational piece that improves our depth by pushing what we have down a step.

By spare parts, I mean any of our trade exceptions, Rubio's contract, and any of our 3 picks in the next draft. And then depending on the player we're getting back we can consider including other assets if we feel the move makes them redundant.

In reality we may have to lose a guy we like, and if we do, we'll grump about it ... but time will tell. For instance, I wouldn't trade Isaac for Josh Hart, but I'd consider Stevens if we could scrape together the filler. Stevens is under contract for super cheap the next two seasons, so a cheap owner might appreciate that. Funny Hart never developed as a 3pt shooter like we all thought he would when he was a rook, but per usual the Lakers-hype train was off the rails.

[jbk1234]

Yep, I get that and if Stevens was available maybe JBB would have stuck him on Harden rather than Lauri, and then Lauri doesn't gain that experience of how to deal with him, or hit that big 3pter that broke the tie; but if you've been over to visit the Nets board you know they are constantly screaming about Steve Nash and feel he failed in the game by not forcing the ball out of Garland's hands.

So, I'd rather JBB at least have the option to help Darius out even if he sometimes tags the wrong guy for the situation.

Heck, will JBB even go to Windler again? Or is he back to the bench the moment Stevens is back?

They didn't hit many 3's but it felt like we at least had a chance to space the floor for Goodwin when JBB went with Mobley-Love-Windler-Osman. Worked in the first half, not so much in the 3rd and we had to send DG back in before the game got out of hand.

Stevens and Okoro are a bit redundant as players so Im not sure where they go when Okoro/Stevens/Windler are all healthy. I feel like if they make a trade it would be to consolidate that rotation a bit.

Obv. with Okoros draft status, higher ceiling and better on-ball defense he gets the nod over Stevens. The difference is that Windlers skillset opens up the game a lot more and makes the 2nd unit a bit more dynamic than Stevens.

There are even guys like Wade who have been relegated to the bench though he is proven to be a very solid rotation player essentially assuming Nance's role from 3 years ago.

The question is when you have that many C+/B- level players what do you do at the deadline?

Fortunately I'm not Koby Altman and it's not my job to make the tough choices; so, my take is a bit of a cop out in that I'd look for a move that uses spare parts to add a rotational piece that improves our depth by pushing what we have down a step.

By spare parts, I mean any of our trade exceptions, Rubio's contract, and any of our 3 picks in the next draft. And then depending on the player we're getting back we can consider including other assets if we feel the move makes them redundant.

In reality we may have to lose a guy we like, and if we do, we'll grump about it ... but time will tell. For instance, I wouldn't trade Isaac for Josh Hart, but I'd consider Stevens if we could scrape together the filler. Stevens is under contract for super cheap the next two seasons, so a cheap owner might appreciate that. Funny Hart never developed as a 3pt shooter like we all thought he would when he was a rook, but per usual the Lakers-hype train was off the rails.

I don't see Griffin trading away win-now pieces. He'd have to get fired for the Pelicans to move Hart for draft compensation.

[LivingLegend]

Yep, I get that and if Stevens was available maybe JBB would have stuck him on Harden rather than Lauri, and then Lauri doesn't gain that experience of how to deal with him, or hit that big 3pter that broke the tie; but if you've been over to visit the Nets board you know they are constantly screaming about Steve Nash and feel he failed in the game by not forcing the ball out of Garland's hands.

So, I'd rather JBB at least have the option to help Darius out even if he sometimes tags the wrong guy for the situation.

Heck, will JBB even go to Windler again? Or is he back to the bench the moment Stevens is back?

They didn't hit many 3's but it felt like we at least had a chance to space the floor for Goodwin when JBB went with Mobley-Love-Windler-Osman. Worked in the first half, not so much in the 3rd and we had to send DG back in before the game got out of hand.

Stevens and Okoro are a bit redundant as players so Im not sure where they go when Okoro/Stevens/Windler are all healthy. I feel like if they make a trade it would be to consolidate that rotation a bit.

Obv. with Okoros draft status, higher ceiling and better on-ball defense he gets the nod over Stevens. The difference is that Windlers skillset opens up the game a lot more and makes the 2nd unit a bit more dynamic than Stevens.

There are even guys like Wade who have been relegated to the bench though he is proven to be a very solid rotation player essentially assuming Nance's role from 3 years ago.

The question is when you have that many C+/B- level players what do you do at the deadline?

Fortunately I'm not Koby Altman and it's not my job to make the tough choices; so, my take is a bit of a cop out in that I'd look for a move that uses spare parts to add a rotational piece that improves our depth by pushing what we have down a step.

By spare parts, I mean any of our trade exceptions, Rubio's contract, and any of our 3 picks in the next draft. And then depending on the player we're getting back we can consider including other assets if we feel the move makes them redundant.

In reality we may have to lose a guy we like, and if we do, we'll grump about it ... but time will tell. For instance, I wouldn't trade Isaac for Josh Hart, but I'd consider Stevens if we could scrape together the filler. Stevens is under contract for super cheap the next two seasons, so a cheap owner might appreciate that. Funny Hart never developed as a 3pt shooter like we all thought he would when he was a rook, but per usual the Lakers-hype train was off the rails.

I wouldnt mind it but there is just still so much more development to be had. Watching Okoro put Kyrie in hell during the 4th yesterday and SGA the game before made me giddy. He just has elite on-ball defensive capability that not many players in the NBA possess.

How do you get rid of that potential especially if he develops a league average offensive game, he then would be the absolute perfect backcourt mate to Garlands skillset.

Im also a massive supporter of locking Rubio up to a 3/55 deal this offseason. I dont want to put him in any deal because guys with his skillset and intangibles dont come around nearly as often as 3/D wings do. There may be 3-4 players in the entire NBA who can bring what Rubio brings to this team from the PG position and they all cost a helluva lot more than a average vet contract. You NEED Rubio next to Garland simply because of how much this team invested into their bigs who need setup.

The more and more I think about it, I would be fine with riding out the roster as is and letting another year of development happen before pulling the trigger on any trade. Sexton + 1st is about the only assets (aside from randoms like Stevens/Wade/Windler) I would be content moving in a trade for a Buddy Hield, Harrison Barnes, ect type of guy.

Anything else seems like making a move for the sake of making a move.