Official Trade Thread - Part XLII

[nate33]

Jake Fischer's reporting

Knowing Detroit's asking price, it's difficult to imagine a deal structure that doesn't send either Deni Avdija or Rui Hachimura back to the Pistons. Montrezl Harrell's expiring $9.7 million contract can help make the salaries match, and Harrell has been considered available for trade, according to league sources.[/i]

Any Grant trade is completely untenable unless Bertans is included as the salary ballast. It's impossible to pay Beal $42M, Grant $28M, and Bertans $16M and expect to field a competent roster.

[FAH1223]

Jake Fischer's reporting

Knowing Detroit's asking price, it's difficult to imagine a deal structure that doesn't send either Deni Avdija or Rui Hachimura back to the Pistons. Montrezl Harrell's expiring $9.7 million contract can help make the salaries match, and Harrell has been considered available for trade, according to league sources.

Any Grant trade is completely untenable unless Bertans is included as the salary ballast. It's impossible to pay Beal $42M, Grant $28M, and Bertans $16M and expect to field a competent roster.

Yep, Bertans has to go out. There's no way otherwise. Not like Detroit can't use shooting to help Cade. Final year of Bertans deal being partially guaranteed means its just a 2 year deal for them.

Bertans + Rui or Deni + and a pick would be the price. I guess.

I do not want to trade Kispert. And I know full well the Wizards do not want to trade both Rui AND Deni. But Leonsis will need to come off it and sacrifice either that Japanese marketing money or that Israeli fan base.

[nate33]

Jake Fischer's reporting

Knowing Detroit's asking price, it's difficult to imagine a deal structure that doesn't send either Deni Avdija or Rui Hachimura back to the Pistons. Montrezl Harrell's expiring $9.7 million contract can help make the salaries match, and Harrell has been considered available for trade, according to league sources.

Any Grant trade is completely untenable unless Bertans is included as the salary ballast. It's impossible to pay Beal $42M, Grant $28M, and Bertans $16M and expect to field a competent roster.

Yep, Bertans has to go out. There's no way otherwise. Not like Detroit can't use shooting to help Cade. Final year of Bertans deal being partially guaranteed means its just a 2 year deal for them.

Bertans + Rui or Deni + and a pick would be the price. I guess.

I do not want to trade Kispert. And I know full well the Wizards do not want to trade both Rui and Deni.

I wouldn't trade Deni. I'd only trade Rui. A big issue is that Rui is about to get more expensive after the final year of his rookie deal.

[Dark Faze]

If I were a Detroit fan I'm not sure that Rui + Bertans would be seen as a very competitive offer at all, even for Grant. Unimpressive numbers and a potential mental health issue that we have no idea whether or not will be reoccurring, and the Bertans contract is just bad.

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The only problem with Daniel Gafford that I can see is that we just don't know that we can get more than 20 minutes a game out of him over time.

I'm not really that worried about it. His PF's/36 have fallen from 5.8 to 4.5 to 4.1 in his 3 seasons respectively. It's a pretty normal progression....

I don't think we should overlook what I described as the "only problem" with Gafford, but I didn't mean to suggest it was a reason to replace him!

I also agree that it's not a question of fouling -- but even at 4.1 fouls per 36 minutes, he's still only averaging 22 minutes per game.

I don't think he'll ever get to the Rudy Gobert/Tim Duncan tier of guys who can protect the rim at an elite level without fouling, but I don't see any reason he can't get to the Clint Capela/Tyson Chandler tier. Furthermore, as long as we are keeping a quality second center on the roster with an MLE-sized contract (rather than a mere minutes-eater at a vet-min level), we don't really need Gafford to log 30+ minutes a game. Finally, with the depth of this roster at the forward position, we should probably consider playing a bit more small ball with Rui/Kuzma at center so we can switch everything in crunch time.

He has a high ceiling & is already playing extremely well. & Bryant is a terrific player as well. So those two might well suffice.

Your small ball center idea would depend on Rui becoming a good player, which may happen, but up until now Rui isn't a "solution" to any problem. For that matter, though Kuzma has played very well in recent games, he hasn't yet established himself as a plus player long term.

In fact, we don't have a single player at the forward position who has established himself as a really good NBA player! But that's a different issue.

[FAH1223]

If I were a Detroit fan I'm not sure that Rui + Bertans would be seen as a very competitive offer at all, even for Grant. Unimpressive numbers and a potential mental health issue that we have no idea whether or not will be reoccurring, and the Bertans contract is just bad.

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[nate33]

If I were a Detroit fan I'm not sure that Rui + Bertans would be seen as a very competitive offer at all, even for Grant. Unimpressive numbers and a potential mental health issue that we have no idea whether or not will be reoccurring, and the Bertans contract is just bad.

I don't really disagree. But that's all I'm giving up for Grant. Like I said, I might be persuaded to include a protected future 1st, but it would have to be the 2027 1st and I'd lotto protect it indefinitely.

[Dark Faze]

If I were a Detroit fan I'm not sure that Rui + Bertans would be seen as a very competitive offer at all, even for Grant. Unimpressive numbers and a potential mental health issue that we have no idea whether or not will be reoccurring, and the Bertans contract is just bad.

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If it comes down to Morey being forced into making a quantity over quality deal, then that'd be one of the better ones, but he's clearly feeling good about his odds to acquire an all-nba level talent. We'll see.

[nate33]

If I were a Detroit fan I'm not sure that Rui + Bertans would be seen as a very competitive offer at all, even for Grant. Unimpressive numbers and a potential mental health issue that we have no idea whether or not will be reoccurring, and the Bertans contract is just bad.

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If it comes down to Morey being forced into making a quantity over quality deal, then that'd be one of the better ones, but he's clearly feeling good about his odds to acquire an all-nba level talent. We'll see.

If nothing else, I think Morey will wait until the last minute of the Trade Deadline to see if he can land Lillard or Beal first.

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If I were a Detroit fan I'm not sure that Rui + Bertans would be seen as a very competitive offer at all, even for Grant. Unimpressive numbers and a potential mental health issue that we have no idea whether or not will be reoccurring, and the Bertans contract is just bad.

I don't really disagree. But that's all I'm giving up for Grant. Like I said, I might be persuaded to include a protected future 1st, but it would have to be the 2027 1st and I'd lotto protect it indefinitely.

Why do we want Jerami Grant at all?

Will someone please go look at what he actually does & give me a good reason? I'm asking seriously: I just don't get the appeal.

Of course, getting rid of Bertans contract would be a plus, & Grant expires next year. In that sense, there's a long-term financial gain, & the cost is that we lose whatever upside Rui has.

But, I don't see anything in any part of his game that would make me want him.

Yes, Grant had 3 seasons in which he was above average in efficiency as a shooter -- but they were all on below average usage.

What he is now is a different matter. His 18 shots per 36 minutes at an efg% of 46.9% helps you lose not win. In fairness, he gets to the line a lot & shoots a high % -- which brings his TS% this year all the way up to .54. Still below average, so his scoring helps you lose -- just not as badly.

[FAH1223]

If I were a Detroit fan I'm not sure that Rui + Bertans would be seen as a very competitive offer at all, even for Grant. Unimpressive numbers and a potential mental health issue that we have no idea whether or not will be reoccurring, and the Bertans contract is just bad.

I don't really disagree. But that's all I'm giving up for Grant. Like I said, I might be persuaded to include a protected future 1st, but it would have to be the 2027 1st and I'd lotto protect it indefinitely.

Why do we want Jerami Grant at all?

Will someone please go look at what he actually does & give me a good reason? I'm asking seriously: I just don't get the appeal.

Of course, getting rid of Bertans contract would be a plus, & Grant expires next year. In that sense, there's a long-term financial gain, & the cost is that we lose whatever upside Rui has.

But, I don't see anything in any part of his game that would make me want him.

Yes, Grant had 3 seasons in which he was above average in efficiency as a shooter -- but they were all on below average usage.

What he is now is a different matter. His 18 shots per 36 minutes at an efg% of 46.9% helps you lose not win. In fairness, he gets to the line a lot & shoots a high % -- which brings his TS% this year all the way up to .54. Still below average, so his scoring helps you lose -- just not as badly.

[Rafael122]

Yeah the Grant stuff has been pounded by Mayo for months, which means it's coming from Beal's camp. Plus the obvious local connections.

[Dark Faze]

Grant would have us over a barrel in terms of the contract too. He'd be a definite overpay.

[Ruzious]

If I were a Detroit fan I'm not sure that Rui + Bertans would be seen as a very competitive offer at all, even for Grant. Unimpressive numbers and a potential mental health issue that we have no idea whether or not will be reoccurring, and the Bertans contract is just bad.

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Yup - Detroit would be crazy to offer it, and Philly would be crazy to turn it down.

[nate33]

If I were a Detroit fan I'm not sure that Rui + Bertans would be seen as a very competitive offer at all, even for Grant. Unimpressive numbers and a potential mental health issue that we have no idea whether or not will be reoccurring, and the Bertans contract is just bad.

I don't really disagree. But that's all I'm giving up for Grant. Like I said, I might be persuaded to include a protected future 1st, but it would have to be the 2027 1st and I'd lotto protect it indefinitely.

Why do we want Jerami Grant at all?

Will someone please go look at what he actually does & give me a good reason? I'm asking seriously: I just don't get the appeal.

Of course, getting rid of Bertans contract would be a plus, & Grant expires next year. In that sense, there's a long-term financial gain, & the cost is that we lose whatever upside Rui has.

But, I don't see anything in any part of his game that would make me want him.

Yes, Grant had 3 seasons in which he was above average in efficiency as a shooter -- but they were all on below average usage.

What he is now is a different matter. His 18 shots per 36 minutes at an efg% of 46.9% helps you lose not win. In fairness, he gets to the line a lot & shoots a high % -- which brings his TS% this year all the way up to .54. Still below average, so his scoring helps you lose -- just not as badly.

The logic would be that his efficiency would improve if he was a #2 option instead of a #1 option.

Two years ago, he posted a .591 TS% of while averaging 22.2 points per 100 possessions
Last year, he posted a .556 TS% of while averaging 32.3 points per 100 possessions

If he could split the difference and score about 27 points per 100 possessions on a TS% of .574, he would help the team, assuming those shots came from less efficient scorers like Beal, Kuzma and Dinwiddie.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not pining for the guy. I'm just saying I can at least follow the logic.

[Frichuela]

Funny that the press keeps speculating about Grant when what this team really needs is a competent 3rd guard. I rather trade Bertans+Rui for Derrick White to be honest. White fills a glaring need and is signed for 3.5 more years at a reasonable contract.

[Ruzious]

If I were a Detroit fan I'm not sure that Rui + Bertans would be seen as a very competitive offer at all, even for Grant. Unimpressive numbers and a potential mental health issue that we have no idea whether or not will be reoccurring, and the Bertans contract is just bad.

I don't really disagree. But that's all I'm giving up for Grant. Like I said, I might be persuaded to include a protected future 1st, but it would have to be the 2027 1st and I'd lotto protect it indefinitely.

Why do we want Jerami Grant at all?

Will someone please go look at what he actually does & give me a good reason? I'm asking seriously: I just don't get the appeal.

Of course, getting rid of Bertans contract would be a plus, & Grant expires next year. In that sense, there's a long-term financial gain, & the cost is that we lose whatever upside Rui has.

But, I don't see anything in any part of his game that would make me want him.

Yes, Grant had 3 seasons in which he was above average in efficiency as a shooter -- but they were all on below average usage.

What he is now is a different matter. His 18 shots per 36 minutes at an efg% of 46.9% helps you lose not win. In fairness, he gets to the line a lot & shoots a high % -- which brings his TS% this year all the way up to .54. Still below average, so his scoring helps you lose -- just not as badly.

I agree with you, but I'm guessing the logic they'd use is that - because defenses will focus more on stopping Beal, it should be easier for Grant to score more efficiently than he did at Detroit. I have an uneasy (sick) feeling that we're going to trade the young 3some of Deni, Rui, and TB for Grant - which works in the Trade Checker.

[J-Ves]

I don’t think much of Grant but if dumping Bertans is on the table I’m definitely in favor of a deal. I assume Deni would be the bare minimum that would have to go to Detroit.

Actually I’m far more in favor of blowing the team up and acquiring future assets but that doesn’t seem to be what Ted wants.

[Frichuela]

Imagine this 9 men rotation:

D White/Dinwiddie
Beal/D White
KCP/Kispert
Kuzma/Deni
Gafford/Bryant

Having Derrick White play for 30+ minutes absorbing all the useless minutes from Neto at PG/SG would really improve our team’s point differential. White is 6’4”/6’5” with a solid 6’8” wingspan. He has averaged a positive DBPM every year, with over a steal and a block per 36.

[Dark Faze]

Imagine this 9 men rotation:

D White/Dinwiddie
Beal/D White
KCP/Kispert
Kuzma/Deni
Gafford/Bryant

Having Derrick White play for 30+ minutes absorbing all the useless minutes from Neto at PG/SG would really improve our team’s point differential. White is 6’4”/6’5” with a solid 6’8” wingspan. He has averaged a positive DBPM every year, with over a steal and a block per 36.

Yea, you'd definitely want to get off of the Bertans contract in such a move though.