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Miami Heat Regular Season Thread 21-22 Vol. 2 - Can we get to first place?

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Post#21 » by JLop » Tue Jan 18, 2022 5:06 pm

AirP. wrote:
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AirP. wrote:In this situation Miami would know they've got to pay him to keep him because it's probably his last possible big contract and with that he'll want a solid contract or could move on to a team willing to risk somewhere like a 3 year contract on him. To better handle the tax bill next year Miami should look to move Robinson's contract this season for an expiring that helps the Heat this year(for example, Robinson for Covington or better yet Nance). Waiting until the summer to move Robinson will be more challenging to shed money since a sizable expiring doesn't help that much.

The Heat's situation with Oladipo is very interesting to me, I expect him to be rusty but athletic on offense while being one of the better defenders on the team although maybe Martin is good enough to not worry about that(Martin still needs to be converted to a minimum contract to become playoff eligible this year).

If Chicago weren't playing so well, I would have thought trading Robinson and Herro for Zach LaVine was the plan. It's too perfect that Robinson ($15,560,000) plus Herro ($4,004,280) total $19,564,280 not to be suspicious. Isn't Zach LaVine making $19,500,000 this season? That transaction seems to solve multiple problems at once.

He's also a unrestricted free agent this offseason, he could leave for nothing. Miami would own his Bird Rights but then you're dealing with Butler's, Bam's, and Lowry's big contracts with needing to pay LaVine and Oladipo.

It's quite possible that Miami can hold onto Herro and hope he keeps developing and work with Lowry on his 3rd year to decline it only to resign him over 2 years if he's still good.

It's true, but normally we do those transactions with a prior agreement from the player to sign with Miami. But this is more like an obvious suggestion on my part. The pieces fit together too well not to mention it.
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Post#22 » by MettaWorldPanda » Tue Jan 18, 2022 5:10 pm

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MettaWorldPanda wrote:So how are we distributing minutes these days? This is the way I see it.

C Bam Adebayo (32-35) C Dewayne Dedmon (13-16)
PF PJ Tucker (30) PF Caleb Martin (18)
SF Jimmy Butler (32-35) SF Max Strus (13-16)
SG Duncan Robinson (13-16) SG Tyler Herro (32-35)
PG Kyle Lowry (32-35) PG Gabe Vincent (13-16)

C Omer Yurtseven (0)
PF Markieff Morris (0)

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Dipo

If and when Dipo comes back and looks like he's regained his form then Spo will have to make a decision between who to sit from Strus, Robinson, and Vincent. Dipo needs to be in that 18-20 minute range off the bench.


Seems about right. Interested to see if Gabe goes back to DNPs when Lowry comes back. His minutes likely split between Struss and Martin if so. Maybe some to Duncan

Thinking on b2b nights you can squeeze Yurtseven into Dedmon’s backup Center spot giving Dedmon a rest keeping him fresh. As the season deepens we can tactically give Tucker, Butler, and Lowry maintinence rest during b2b’s to keep them fresh for playoffs.
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Post#23 » by RexBoyWonder » Tue Jan 18, 2022 5:11 pm

AirP. wrote:Does it feel odd to anyone else that Oladipo has been on the Roster nearly a year now?

I could see Miami waiting till after the trade deadline to bring him back to offset doing nothing at the trade deadline, then again I could see him waiting until some small to medium scale consolidation trade happens creating room for him.

been a while since we heard an update or saw him work out, wonder if theres some sort of setback.

Healthy Dipo is a game changer for the playoffs
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Post#24 » by AirP. » Tue Jan 18, 2022 5:14 pm

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AirP. wrote:Does it feel odd to anyone else that Oladipo has been on the Roster nearly a year now?

I could see Miami waiting till after the trade deadline to bring him back to offset doing nothing at the trade deadline, then again I could see him waiting until some small to medium scale consolidation trade happens creating room for him.

been a while since we heard an update or saw him work out, wonder if theres some sort of setback.

Healthy Dipo is a game changer for the playoffs

Miami doesn't give any real health updates including recently on Bam where Woj had to mention it. I don't get how a franchise can hoard injury information now that betting is allowed.
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Post#25 » by JLop » Tue Jan 18, 2022 5:25 pm

somerandomdude wrote:I think Jimmy really took a liking to Yurtz

In a completely unrelated question, he shifts the conversation over to Yurtz, praising him and saying deserves to be playing, but that there's not enough minutes to go around.

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Post#27 » by al bondiga » Tue Jan 18, 2022 5:47 pm

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AirP. wrote:Does it feel odd to anyone else that Oladipo has been on the Roster nearly a year now?

I could see Miami waiting till after the trade deadline to bring him back to offset doing nothing at the trade deadline, then again I could see him waiting until some small to medium scale consolidation trade happens creating room for him.

been a while since we heard an update or saw him work out, wonder if theres some sort of setback.

Healthy Dipo is a game changer for the playoffs
dipo is someone I would love healthy... playoff situation he is absolutely a game changer ...but let's get real ...he is a pipe dream and it's very unlikely that he will happen for the Heat
That is so why we got players like lowry, pj, gabe, strus, calvin, etc ...hoping they can substitute he's supposed output in important games... he is gone baby gone... perhaps providing some relief as a secondary player for a couple of years
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Post#28 » by al bondiga » Tue Jan 18, 2022 5:53 pm

now... more importantly... my feeling about yurt is beginning to realize itself, sadly... spo Has to begin training him so he can compliment bam
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Dang that sucks but he wasn’t realistic for us anyways I would say. Based off how Spo likes to play. That shot blocking and shooting from a big would’ve been real nice and him and Bam could’ve easily played next to each other if Spo allowed it.

Who knows, maybe we buy low and take the gamble? That’s sketchy though. I think Riley wants something definite instead of up in the air, the league is wide open.
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Post#32 » by AirP. » Tue Jan 18, 2022 6:21 pm

al bondiga wrote:
RexBoyWonder wrote:
AirP. wrote:Does it feel odd to anyone else that Oladipo has been on the Roster nearly a year now?

I could see Miami waiting till after the trade deadline to bring him back to offset doing nothing at the trade deadline, then again I could see him waiting until some small to medium scale consolidation trade happens creating room for him.

been a while since we heard an update or saw him work out, wonder if theres some sort of setback.

Healthy Dipo is a game changer for the playoffs
dipo is someone I would love healthy... playoff situation he is absolutely a game changer ...but let's get real ...he is a pipe dream and it's very unlikely that he will happen for the Heat
That is so why we got players like lowry, pj, gabe, strus, calvin, etc ...hoping they can substitute he's supposed output in important games... he is gone baby gone... perhaps providing some relief as a secondary player for a couple of years

Why is it a pipe dream? Miami has had him go on road trips, he seems to be more engaged with the team, he seems to be in good spirits. It's quite possible with another team he'd already be on the court but Miami seems to drag out players getting back to the court which I think they do on purpose to make it easier on Spoelstra to keep players out of the rotation.

14 May Oladipo had surgery.
Around 3 months later he was lifting weights.
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27th of September he said he was walking without discomfort.
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The 1st of October he was walking without a limp.
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Also, during some early game this season (possibly preseason) Oladipo actually jumped a chair celebrating someone's dunk

If this were the 90s I'd be way more weary of him coming back, now I'm not too worried where science is at this point, with the last surgery done wrong which caused issues so I'd think they'd double/triple check what it was done right this time, the messed up surgery has already cost him millions(even if it's just this season).

Oladipo has known his last surgery didn't go well but it was either play through the pain and keep making money(a new contract) or possibly have another surgery and miss out on millions with a surgery, he finally didn't have the choice of playing through pain anymore.

It's always possible that he isn't right but I think everything is being scrutinized at this point in his recovery where they could fix whatever the problem is, even if that meant another surgery.
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Post#33 » by RexBoyWonder » Tue Jan 18, 2022 7:00 pm

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/herroty01/gamelog/2022#135-146-sum:pgl_basic

Last 12 games Herro is averaging 5 FTA per 36.

That's huge. huge step in becoming a true top scorer in the league.
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Post#34 » by somerandomdude » Tue Jan 18, 2022 7:27 pm

RexBoyWonder wrote:https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/herroty01/gamelog/2022#135-146-sum:pgl_basic

Last 12 games Herro is averaging 5 FTA per 36.

That's huge. huge step in becoming a true top scorer in the league.


I know people will say it's something he's doing differently, but I think the biggest thing is that the refs are finally calling fouls for him.

There was a stretch where he played about 83min without getting to the FT line, which is bullsh.

His last FTAs came about 7min in against the Bucks. From there, he had no FTAs for that game and the next two games. It wasn't until 4 minutes into the Pacers game that he would get back to the line.

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And if you include the previous game, it would've been 112 minutes with only 2 FTAs.

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Post#35 » by twix2500 » Tue Jan 18, 2022 7:45 pm

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twix2500 wrote:
AirP. wrote:Does it feel odd to anyone else that Oladipo has been on the Roster nearly a year now?

I could see Miami waiting till after the trade deadline to bring him back to offset doing nothing at the trade deadline, then again I could see him waiting until some small to medium scale consolidation trade happens creating room for him.


Nope, IMO as I said last summer. Him and Heat sat down and had a long term plan that they both agreed upon. Dipo wants to be here and Heat were willing to have patience and pay him through the rehab and hopefully get a boost from him during the playoffs but not dependent upon him.

In this situation Miami would know they've got to pay him to keep him because it's probably his last possible big contract and with that he'll want a solid contract or could move on to a team willing to risk somewhere like a 3 year contract on him. To better handle the tax bill next year Miami should look to move Robinson's contract this season for an expiring that helps the Heat this year(for example, Robinson for Covington or better yet Nance). Waiting until the summer to move Robinson will be more challenging to shed money since a sizable expiring doesn't help that much.

The Heat's situation with Oladipo is very interesting to me, I expect him to be rusty but athletic on offense while being one of the better defenders on the team although maybe Martin is good enough to not worry about that(Martin still needs to be converted to a minimum contract to become playoff eligible this year).
IMO Lowry future with the Heat is dependent upon Oladipo. If Heat commit to Dipo long term then Lowry will be moved. Spo wants Dipo at point guard.

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Post#36 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Tue Jan 18, 2022 8:23 pm

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Post#37 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Tue Jan 18, 2022 8:26 pm

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Nope, IMO as I said last summer. Him and Heat sat down and had a long term plan that they both agreed upon. Dipo wants to be here and Heat were willing to have patience and pay him through the rehab and hopefully get a boost from him during the playoffs but not dependent upon him.

In this situation Miami would know they've got to pay him to keep him because it's probably his last possible big contract and with that he'll want a solid contract or could move on to a team willing to risk somewhere like a 3 year contract on him. To better handle the tax bill next year Miami should look to move Robinson's contract this season for an expiring that helps the Heat this year(for example, Robinson for Covington or better yet Nance). Waiting until the summer to move Robinson will be more challenging to shed money since a sizable expiring doesn't help that much.

The Heat's situation with Oladipo is very interesting to me, I expect him to be rusty but athletic on offense while being one of the better defenders on the team although maybe Martin is good enough to not worry about that(Martin still needs to be converted to a minimum contract to become playoff eligible this year).
IMO Lowry future with the Heat is dependent upon Oladipo. If Heat commit to Dipo long term then Lowry will be moved. Spo wants Dipo at point guard.

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I doubt that. Why would he want no true Pg on the team and a guy running Pg who hasn’t played PG since his rookie season? Dipo is a SG. We tried to land both of them at the deadline last year but the Raptors were being stubborn.
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Post#38 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Tue Jan 18, 2022 8:27 pm

AirP. wrote:
al bondiga wrote:
RexBoyWonder wrote:been a while since we heard an update or saw him work out, wonder if theres some sort of setback.

Healthy Dipo is a game changer for the playoffs
dipo is someone I would love healthy... playoff situation he is absolutely a game changer ...but let's get real ...he is a pipe dream and it's very unlikely that he will happen for the Heat
That is so why we got players like lowry, pj, gabe, strus, calvin, etc ...hoping they can substitute he's supposed output in important games... he is gone baby gone... perhaps providing some relief as a secondary player for a couple of years

Why is it a pipe dream? Miami has had him go on road trips, he seems to be more engaged with the team, he seems to be in good spirits. It's quite possible with another team he'd already be on the court but Miami seems to drag out players getting back to the court which I think they do on purpose to make it easier on Spoelstra to keep players out of the rotation.

14 May Oladipo had surgery.
Around 3 months later he was lifting weights.
Spoiler:

27th of September he said he was walking without discomfort.
Spoiler:
Read on Twitter

The 1st of October he was walking without a limp.
Spoiler:
Read on Twitter

Also, during some early game this season (possibly preseason) Oladipo actually jumped a chair celebrating someone's dunk

If this were the 90s I'd be way more weary of him coming back, now I'm not too worried where science is at this point, with the last surgery done wrong which caused issues so I'd think they'd double/triple check what it was done right this time, the messed up surgery has already cost him millions(even if it's just this season).

Oladipo has known his last surgery didn't go well but it was either play through the pain and keep making money(a new contract) or possibly have another surgery and miss out on millions with a surgery, he finally didn't have the choice of playing through pain anymore.

It's always possible that he isn't right but I think everything is being scrutinized at this point in his recovery where they could fix whatever the problem is, even if that meant another surgery.


This. Klay can tear his ACL and Achilles but he’s the 2nd coming of Christ when he returns but Dipo is apparently done and not good enough to play.
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Post#39 » by Wiltside » Tue Jan 18, 2022 8:29 pm

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Jerami Grant is the same price as Turner. What’s yalls take on giving up picks? Deal would have to be something like Duncan Morris KZ and 1 or 2 1sts.


I like Grant. He’d be a good fit, but I think they’ll get better offers than what we’re willing to put to them.

I’m not sure we’ll make a move at the deadline given how well we’re playing. I can see us viewing Dipo as our midseason acquisition.

Our biggest problem right now is we have too many rotation worthy guys and not enough minutes. Provided everyone buys in, it’s a good problem to have, but guys like Gabe/Strus/Martin/Yurt have all earned their minutes. There’s going to be some disappointed players in the locker room.

Biggest priority would be finding a taker on Duncan to get off that commitment. Everyone loves a shooter, so despite his subpar year, I’d think there will be a market for him. It just won’t net us much IMO.
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Post#40 » by heatwillbeback » Tue Jan 18, 2022 8:29 pm

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Jerami Grant is the same price as Turner. What’s yalls take on giving up picks? Deal would have to be something like Duncan Morris KZ and 1 or 2 1sts.


Since we would have to trade firsts so far in the future (unless OKC is involved and unprotects the pick we gave them), I see it as unlikely. I am against trading picks that far in the future unless they are heavily protected.

Heat won’t be heavily involved in a trade market that prioritizes draft picks.

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