College/Draft thread. Knicks Currently have Picks 12 and 45

Post #221 » by **Capn'O** » Thu Jan 13, 2022 6:59 pm

Title edited again :-)

8516knicks · Post #222 » by **8516knicks** » Thu Jan 13, 2022 11:03 pm

Capn'O wrote:Title edited again

I'll allow it. :lol:

TerrenceClarke · Post #223 » by **TerrenceClarke** » Thu Jan 13, 2022 11:53 pm

With Cam Reddish now.... we need to lock in on Ty Ty or Kennedy Chandler.

WargamesX · Post #224 » by **WargamesX** » Fri Jan 14, 2022 12:16 am

TerrenceClarke wrote:With Cam Reddish now.... we need to lock in on Ty Ty or Kennedy Chandler.

Thibs doesn’t seem like the kind of guy to trust a rookie to be his PG and they have both IQ and Deuce in the long term pipeline. I still think they are prepping to go after an established PG either in a trade or FA

If anything BPA is more an option than ever. I still think Wing might get a priority, even with the recent trade. The wing rotation is not “set” Cam isn’t a sure thing, neither is Fournier. Grime and Burks are legit SG. Adding another defensive wing wouldn’t be a bad thing.

HarthorneWingo · Post #225 » by **HarthorneWingo** » Fri Jan 14, 2022 12:34 am

I’m hearing that this year’s draft is trash after the lottery.

WargamesX · Post #226 » by **WargamesX** » Fri Jan 14, 2022 2:19 am

HarthorneWingo wrote:I’m hearing that this year’s draft is trash after the lottery.

I actually like it, last year just spoiled everyone because it was so good from top to mid second round

Jabari Smith looks like he can be a star. He looks like a bigger, younger, healthier Danny Granger. Just an offensive force that usually makes the right play and can just pull up behind the 3 pt line. I think he is going to be a nightmare for the league if he lands in the right place.

The top is full of big guys who I don’t think will be as good as rookies as Evan Mobley is but still really good. Definitely have a chance to develop into top Centers especially Chet.

It’s sneakily deep in regards to SG. Ivey, Hardy, Dyson, Davis, and Mathurin all seem like better prospects than every SG last year except Jalen Green.

The biggest knock on it is it has too many tweeners. Guys 6’5 with 6’8 wingspan being called a SF because they can’t create enough with the ball to be called a SG. I’m a not the biggest fan of Kendall Brown (too raw) and Patrick Williams (who I like) is a bit injury prone and seems inconsistent. But think AJ Griffin, Marjon Beauchamp, and Wendell Moore might be above average roleplayers. They all feel like guys who would play on the Grizzlies and help out but not be a big draw outside of the fanbase.

Overall maybe 20 guys I would say look good. Funny thing is the majority of them are sophomores who just didn’t declare last year. Where he Knicks are currently in the draft will still have a decent amount of talent on the board worth taking. Just based on teams sucking at the draft some decent talent will fall into the mid 20’s.

I actually think that 2023 might be overrated but that is another conversation.

Fat · Post #227 » by **Fat** » Fri Jan 14, 2022 2:28 pm

TerrenceClarke wrote:With Cam Reddish now.... we need to lock in on Ty Ty or Kennedy Chandler.

Ty ty seems like a no brainer pick. I like Aj griffin as well for the Knicks

Spree2Houston · Post #228 » by **Spree2Houston** » Fri Jan 14, 2022 6:17 pm

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F N 11 · Post #229 » by **F N 11** » Sat Jan 15, 2022 12:32 am

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WargamesX · Post #230 » by **WargamesX** » Sat Jan 15, 2022 6:08 pm

F N 11 wrote:

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He definitely feels like a Maxey/IQ attacking combo guard. The PG skills are definitely there as well. I don’t like the fact his FTA% is so low and that he goes for the midrange shot instead of the floater. Floater’s are a skill PG’s should have coming into the league because it shows that even if they get beat to the basket they have an option to score. That mid range shot won’t be there nearly as much in the league. He’s has great change of pace/Hezi moves when driving, there are PG’s starting in the league now who can’t do that as well as he can.

The counter argument to all of that is he is a Kentucky guard and Kentucky has a history of limiting what their guards are allowed to do. He definitely has potential to be a great PG, he’s a bit slow but plays under control. I don’t know if the Knicks will have a chance because he might be off the board before they pick. Other teams that would want to replicate an IQ or Maxey player on their roster will probably grab him quick. He might even be the first PG off the board.

robillionaire · Post #231 » by **robillionaire** » Sat Jan 15, 2022 8:13 pm

Ok now we are talking

TyTY Washington Jr. folks!!!!!

robillionaire · Post #232 » by **robillionaire** » Sat Jan 15, 2022 11:07 pm

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TerrenceClarke · Post #233 » by **TerrenceClarke** » Sun Jan 16, 2022 1:13 pm

robillionaire wrote:

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Like they I said before…

Them UK Guards.

DowNY · Post #234 » by **DowNY** » Sun Jan 16, 2022 2:03 pm

Unless we trading up, we won’t be in TyTy range

dukeknicksirish · Post #235 » by **dukeknicksirish** » Sun Jan 16, 2022 9:49 pm

If we are selecting from the 12-16 range , with in mind our core young players are Wings, I suggest looking at Nikola Jokic , Wendell Moore or AJ Griffin.

Jovic is a 6’10 playmaker that shot the ball very well in Fiba ball play but has struggled a bit with consistency , but he is young.

Wendell Moore seems like somebody who fits the way Thibbs wants to play with the “non traditional PG” role . He is an excellent defender , great wingspan and has only gotten better offensively at every Season at Duke.

AJ Griffin is an 18 year old elite floor spacer that has freak athleticism. If his current play continues , he might not be here this late.

WargamesX · Post #236 » by **WargamesX** » Mon Jan 17, 2022 12:55 am

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I really like the ignite team this year. They don’t have the ceiling of Kuminga or Green, but they as a group are more talented than any team in the NCAA.

EMG518 · Post #237 » by **EMG518** » Mon Jan 17, 2022 4:21 am

Spree2Houston wrote:

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He is going to wind up top 10 unfortunately.

8516knicks · Post #238 » by **8516knicks** » Wed Jan 19, 2022 5:25 am

WargamesX wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:I’m hearing that this year’s draft is trash after the lottery.

I actually like it, last year just spoiled everyone because it was so good from top to mid second round

Jabari Smith looks like he can be a star. He looks like a bigger, younger, healthier Danny Granger. Just an offensive force that usually makes the right play and can just pull up behind the 3 pt line. I think he is going to be a nightmare for the league if he lands in the right place.

The top is full of big guys who I don’t think will be as good as rookies as Evan Mobley is but still really good. Definitely have a chance to develop into top Centers especially Chet.

It’s sneakily deep in regards to SG. Ivey, Hardy, Dyson, Davis, and Mathurin all seem like better prospects than every SG last year except Jalen Green.

The biggest knock on it is it has too many tweeners. Guys 6’5 with 6’8 wingspan being called a SF because they can’t create enough with the ball to be called a SG. I’m a not the biggest fan of Kendall Brown (too raw) and Patrick Williams (who I like) is a bit injury prone and seems inconsistent. But think AJ Griffin, Marjon Beauchamp, and Wendell Moore might be above average roleplayers. They all feel like guys who would play on the Grizzlies and help out but not be a big draw outside of the fanbase.

Overall maybe 20 guys I would say look good. Funny thing is the majority of them are sophomores who just didn’t declare last year. Where he Knicks are currently in the draft will still have a decent amount of talent on the board worth taking. Just based on teams sucking at the draft some decent talent will fall into the mid 20’s.

I actually think that 2023 might be overrated but that is another conversation.

any decent PGs who will last till mid teens? any stretch 5s thibs might actually play?

WargamesX · Post #239 » by **WargamesX** » Wed Jan 19, 2022 9:06 am

8516knicks wrote:
WargamesX wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:I’m hearing that this year’s draft is trash after the lottery.

I actually like it, last year just spoiled everyone because it was so good from top to mid second round

Jabari Smith looks like he can be a star. He looks like a bigger, younger, healthier Danny Granger. Just an offensive force that usually makes the right play and can just pull up behind the 3 pt line. I think he is going to be a nightmare for the league if he lands in the right place.

The top is full of big guys who I don’t think will be as good as rookies as Evan Mobley is but still really good. Definitely have a chance to develop into top Centers especially Chet.

It’s sneakily deep in regards to SG. Ivey, Hardy, Dyson, Davis, and Mathurin all seem like better prospects than every SG last year except Jalen Green.

The biggest knock on it is it has too many tweeners. Guys 6’5 with 6’8 wingspan being called a SF because they can’t create enough with the ball to be called a SG. I’m a not the biggest fan of Kendall Brown (too raw) and Patrick Williams (who I like) is a bit injury prone and seems inconsistent. But think AJ Griffin, Marjon Beauchamp, and Wendell Moore might be above average roleplayers. They all feel like guys who would play on the Grizzlies and help out but not be a big draw outside of the fanbase.

Overall maybe 20 guys I would say look good. Funny thing is the majority of them are sophomores who just didn’t declare last year. Where he Knicks are currently in the draft will still have a decent amount of talent on the board worth taking. Just based on teams sucking at the draft some decent talent will fall into the mid 20’s.

I actually think that 2023 might be overrated but that is another conversation.

any decent PGs who will last till mid teens? any stretch 5s thibs might actually play?

All the good PG’s are probably off the board by 15 or earlier (depending on the lottery)

TyTy is from a talent perspective looking like a 5-10 pick and will be the first PG taken. He’s also from Kentucky which has a great guard reputation (SGA, Herro, Booker, Maxey, and IQ) so I expect teams to see him as having a higher ceiling than his impressive stats and draft early.

Dyson Daniels based off of size (6’6) and versatility probably is gone in the 10-15 range and could go higher. He is a good fit for the Knicks if you think the Alec Burks experiment at PG has potential. A big combo guard, he is a PG who grew to a SG’s size and plays on and off ball for the ignite.

For the Knicks the next few PG’s who might fall out of 15 just aren’t good fits.

Kennedy Chandler is 6’0 with a average 6’5 wingspan and doesn’t have a good FTA rate. There are two things Thibs requires of guards to have. The willingness to attack the basket and they have to have around a 6’8 wingspan to defend. So I don’t see him as an option.

Jean Montero is a very young overseas prospect. He might be nice but his draft profile is a bigger risk than this Knicks FO has shown a willingness to take. He’s played overseas his whole career and is mostly playing against high school talent for the overtime elite. I don’t think the Knicks take that risk on him but there is upside there after #15.

Maybe JD Davidson could fit talent wise and be there after 15, but watching him play in college I don’t think he is a automatic upgrade for the Knicks PG rotation. Unless he steps it up he isn’t a clear better prospect at PG than either of IQ/McBride.

Keep in mind both Montero and Davidson might show more in the next few weeks and clearly establish themselves in the 15-25 range. Early on both just have a lot of question marks around their games. If they do improve I expect them to go 10-15 as well. The amount of tweener forwards in this draft will make guys at other positions rise in the draft as teams try to avoid drafting tweener forwards to early.

As for a stretch big in this draft who would be there after #15. I don’t see any outside of maybe Kessler. Kessler isn’t good at it though and might go top 15 if he impresses in his workouts. The stretch bigs in this draft are going 1-5. The Knicks got a guy in the G-League, Semanic who is a better stretch big prospect than anyone they would likely find after #15.

This draft is really talented bigs at the top, deep at SG, and then some interesting and not so interesting SF tweeners sprinkled throughout. This isn’t a good year for either of the Knicks needs of PG or stretch big. Especially outside the lottery. Draft wise 10-15 is a good place for the Knicks if they want to get a PG.

Post #240 » by **moocow007** » Wed Jan 19, 2022 4:43 pm

I'm honestly not all that thrilled with this draft.

Yeah there's a few guys at the top of the draft that looks real nice but the rest of the class? Kinda ehh-ish.

I would just go with BPA. This is because the Knicks are still a low end talent team.

Ive already mentioned some guys some time back (the top guys and a few that would likely go anywhere in this draft to undrafted) so not going to relist them but the following guys are among the group of other potential draft options I do like. Doesn't necessarily mean that any of these guys should be picked at where the Knicks currently project to pick (like everyone else in the draft outside of the top 2 or 3 guys, there's warts) and/or will be available at where they have each pick but just guys that I like (in order of preference):

Nikola Jovic

Not only does he have a lot of skills that he's already shown at 18 (against some top competition overseas), he has great feel for where he needs to be and plays with a real nice combination of aggressiveness and confidence. He has mismatch potential due to his 3-tier shot creation ability at 6'10" (and he may still be growing a little). He's not explosive but we've seen that you can still be a top tier impact player without it by using feel, aggressiveness and skill all of which he shows a significant amount of. Where would you play him and would he be an overlap at arguably the Knicks deepest position (PF)? Maybe but again, no one on this team should be locked in as a must keep and if I can get a guy that I believe can be an impact player in the NBA at some point down the line I take him. Him being just 18 makes it less of an issue in terms of fit cause I don't necessarily have to rush him.

Jaime Jaquez Jr

I just love the way this guy plays. The "Hock-daddy" (last name is pronounced "Hock-az"). He's an extremely talented shot creator that plays very aggressively but also that just seems to have a terrific feel for the game in terms of getting to open spots and creating easy opportunities for himself. He's not an explosive player but he's very very fluid with nice physical profile and when you combine that with his feel for the game and just how confident and aggressive him plays I think he can be a player in the NBA. His outside shot is inconsistent but his form is excellent and he has a quick release. I think as he develops and gets with an NBA coaching staff his shooting definitely will also become a plus tool. If/when that happens, he can be a Bogdan Bogdanovic level player, not a star, but damn nice role player that any coach would love to have on his team and that can be an integral cog on a top team.

Peyton Watson

He's got a bit of Tsunami Papi in his game. He's got a real nice combination of length/athleticism/springiness to his physical profile as a 6'8" wing. He can put the ball on the floor and create where he can explode to the basket and his defensive upside is extreme to me. He's got that same type Papi arrogance/confidence and his shot doesn't look bad at all to me. He probably needs work and time to develop but the upside from an NBA perspective be it as a versatile defender and a tertiary scorer/finisher.

There's a lot of excellent college players in this draft that has looked real good and put up real good stats in college...with fine looking highlight vids, etc. The problem is that I don't think the bulk of them can actually translate their college production to the NBA. Not just any college starting PG can become an NBA PG (even a backup PG). Not just any college scorer can become a scorer in the NBA. Not just any college shooter can become a 3 point specialist in the NBA. If it were that easy, there wouldn't be as many flubs as their are. That's really the key. How do you ID the guys that can actually take some part of their game and actually translate it in the NBA so that they can actually be a productive member of a NBA rotation. If I'm looking for a backup PG I'd rather just go an sign a vet in free agency for the vet minimum.

The guys above by no means are guarantees but I see some aspect of their game translating to the NBA with the possibility of significant impact at the next level. Maybe not stars, but strong role players and rotation guys. For most teams, if you can draft those types of players, it's a successful draft. That's what I'm looking for in a draft rather than trying to manufacture the next Steph Curry, Reggie Miller and the like in my head.