Official Trade Thread - Part XLII

[FAH1223]

Funny that the press keeps speculating about Grant when what this team really needs is a competent 3rd guard. I rather trade Bertans+Rui for Derrick White to be honest. White fills a glaring need and is signed for 3.5 more years at a reasonable contract.

SAS sends to DC: Derrick White and Zach Collins

DC sends to SAS: Rui Hachimura and Davis Bertans (lmao)

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[FAH1223]

Imagine this 9 men rotation:

D White/Dinwiddie
Beal/D White
KCP/Kispert
Kuzma/Deni
Gafford/Bryant

Having Derrick White play for 30+ minutes absorbing all the useless minutes from Neto at PG/SG would really improve our team’s point differential. White is 6’4”/6’5” with a solid 6’8” wingspan. He has averaged a positive DBPM every year, with over a steal and a block per 36.

Yea, you'd definitely want to get off of the Bertans contract in such a move though.

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[80sballboy]

https://clutchpoints.com/wizards-rumors-montrezl-harrell-on-trade-block/

[J-Ves]

https://clutchpoints.com/wizards-rumors-montrezl-harrell-on-trade-block/

If Detroit isn’t willing to take back Bertans we might as well call off the whole thing

[miller31time]

Harrell is already infinitely better than Grant and it’s not even close.

A straight-up swap would be terrible for us. Having to throw in Deni or another young piece? That sounds like the Grunfeld Special, right there.

[FAH1223]

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[badinage]

You don’t include Deni in a trade for anyone — unless that person is Giannis or Luka or maybe a few others.

You just don’t surrender young players like that if you’re not on the verge. Or the verge of the verge.

The one who needs to go is Beal. Plus Dinwiddie. Plus KCP. Plus Harrell. Plus Bertans.

I actually think we’ll see four of those five shipped out.

But five need to go.

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...Two years ago, he posted a .591 TS% of while averaging 22.2 points per 100 possessions
Last year, he posted a .556 TS% of while averaging 32.3 points per 100 possessions

If he could split the difference and score about 27 points per 100 possessions on a TS% of .574, he would help the team, assuming those shots came from less efficient scorers like Beal, Kuzma and Dinwiddie.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not pining for the guy. I'm just saying I can at least follow the logic.

"Less efficient scorers" -- ??

This year, Bradley Beal is posting the same TS% as Grant -- on higher usage. Last year, Brad posted a significantly higher TS% on much higher usage. On his career, he's by far the better shooter. IOW, no, I don't want to replace his attempts with Grant's.

Dinwiddie's career TS% is higher than Grant is posting this year, & he too has had some far better years. He also does a bunch of other stuff better than Grant.

Kyle Kuzma is posting a higher TS% than Jerami Grant this year. But... for heaven's sake, even if Grant were a solid scorer... scoring isn't everything. In the end, winning comes down to possessions & efficiency. The more possessions you have in a game the more likely you are to win. The more efficiently you use those possessions to record points, the more likely you are to win.

Every 40 minutes they are on the floor, Kyle Kuzma gets his team 5.5 extra possessions over Jerami Grant -- which translates into @6.5 extra points for the team (at the team's overall TS%).

That's reality, which means it doesn't require crossing fingers that Jerami Grant will suddenly become a far better player than he is.

Not to mention that 2 years ago, when Grant posted a .591 TS% on low usage (just over 16 FGAs per 100 possessions), he also sucked at pretty much everything else. Or... should we assess him using his rebounding from '17-18 (best year for him) & his shot-blocking from 15-16, when it was highest?

Instead, I'd point out that...

Grant's TS% was at its highest in '17-18.
In '18-19, it went down slightly from '17-18.
In '19-20, it went down slightly from '18-19.
In '20-21, it went down again from '19-20.
In '21-22, this year, it's down from '20-21.

That's the real "logic," nate. At least, it is to me. I'd love to get rid of Bertans, but I wouldn't trade Bertans & Kispert for Grant. I certainly wouldn't trade Bertans & Avdija for him. I guess I might be talked into trading Bertans & Rui for him -- but even in that case I'm not sure I'd do it; in fact... nah, no thanks. & I sure as hell wouldn't give any kind of a pick in a trade for him.

[nate33]

...Two years ago, he posted a .591 TS% of while averaging 22.2 points per 100 possessions
Last year, he posted a .556 TS% of while averaging 32.3 points per 100 possessions

If he could split the difference and score about 27 points per 100 possessions on a TS% of .574, he would help the team, assuming those shots came from less efficient scorers like Beal, Kuzma and Dinwiddie.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not pining for the guy. I'm just saying I can at least follow the logic.

"Less efficient scorers" -- ??

This year, Bradley Beal is posting the same TS% as Grant -- on higher usage. Last year, Brad posted a significantly higher TS% on much higher usage. On his career, he's by far the better shooter. IOW, no, I don't want to replace his attempts with Grant's.

Dinwiddie's career TS% is higher than Grant is posting this year, & he too has had some far better years. He also does a bunch of other stuff better than Grant.

Kyle Kuzma is posting a higher TS% than Jerami Grant this year. But... for heaven's sake, even if Grant were a solid scorer... scoring isn't everything. In the end, winning comes down to possessions & efficiency. The more possessions you have in a game the more likely you are to win. The more efficiently you use those possessions to record points, the more likely you are to win.

Every 40 minutes they are on the floor, Kyle Kuzma gets his team 5.5 extra possessions over Jerami Grant -- which translates into @6.5 extra points for the team (at the team's overall TS%).

That's reality, which means it doesn't require crossing fingers that Jerami Grant will suddenly become a far better player than he is.

Not to mention that 2 years ago, when Grant posted a .591 TS% on low usage (just over 16 FGAs per 100 possessions), he also sucked at pretty much everything else. Or... should we assess him using his rebounding from '17-18 (best year for him) & his shot-blocking from 15-16, when it was highest?

Instead, I'd point out that...

Grant's TS% was at its highest in '17-18.
In '18-19, it went down slightly from '17-18.
In '19-20, it went down slightly from '18-19.
In '20-21, it went down again from '19-20.
In '21-22, this year, it's down from '20-21.

That's the real "logic," nate. At least, it is to me. I'd love to get rid of Bertans, but I wouldn't trade Bertans & Kispert for Grant. I certainly wouldn't trade Bertans & Avdija for him. I guess I might be talked into trading Bertans & Rui for him -- but even in that case I'm not sure I'd do it; in fact... nah, no thanks. & I sure as hell wouldn't give any kind of a pick in a trade for him.

Sigh.

Did you even read my post?

I suggested that, based on his production last year and the year before, could post a TS% in the .574 range while scoring about 27 points per 100 possessions. I don't think that's unreasonable if you look at his TS% and usage over the last 2 years.

And if Grant is capable of scoring 27 points per 100 on a TS% of .574, it would make sense if he took a few shots from Beal (.541 TS%), Kuzma (.545 TS%), and Dinwidde (.525 TS%). I don't see why this is controversial.

[badinage]

The guy I would like to go after is Okongwu. Atlanta doesn’t need two prime power forwards. What would they like that we have? And am I right to think that he would be fantastic alongside either Gafford or Bryant?

[Ruzious]

The guy I would like to go after is Okongwu. Atlanta doesn’t need two prime power forwards. What would they like that we have? And am I right to think that he would be fantastic alongside either Gafford or Bryant?

He's a helluva defender - probably the best in the NBA at defending Giannis. Problem is - he's strictly a center on offense. He can't play with Gafford because neither of them have a jump shot. I think he's an underrated player but not a target for the Wiz.

[gambitx777]

Derrick whites contract is arguably worse than bertans. It's just as long and larger by a few mill and doesn't decrease like bertans. It also doesn't have any way out bertans has an early termination option and a partial NG in the last year. Whites has an extra up to 5 mill in incentives too.

Now white fits better on the team so yeah I'll do Rui and bertans for white and Collins. Collins has had injury issues but he's only 24 and is pretty good when he's on the floor....which isn't often. But it happens. His injury issues derailed him. In the last year he played he was starting to hot threes at a better clip. He was rebounding better. He was getting better.
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If we trade for Grant, I guess he starts at forward alongside Kuzma? Hopefully only one of Rui/Deni goes out. The one that stays can play some backup forward minutes.

Maybe they can make this trade and then recoup some draft capital by sending out Harrell and KCP. Kispert can take basically all of KCP's minutes at the backup 2/3.

[gambitx777]

If we trade for Grant, I guess he starts at forward alongside Kuzma? Hopefully only one of Rui/Deni goes out. The one that stays can play some backup forward minutes.

Maybe they can make this trade and then recoup some draft capital by sending out Harrell and KCP. Kispert can take basically all of KCP's minutes at the backup 2/3.

I have very little interest in trading a pick for grant.

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[Frichuela]

If we trade for Grant, I guess he starts at forward alongside Kuzma? Hopefully only one of Rui/Deni goes out. The one that stays can play some backup forward minutes.

Maybe they can make this trade and then recoup some draft capital by sending out Harrell and KCP. Kispert can take basically all of KCP's minutes at the backup 2/3.

I have very little interest in trading a pick for grant.

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Agreed. And the only possible pick is far into the future (2025 at the earliest as our 2023 owed to OKC is heavily protected).

[Frichuela]

The only way I can see realistically Tommy trading a pick is if he can get one by trading Harrell to a contender. The problem is who and would anyone realistically trade a 1st for Harrell??

[Frichuela]

Oh dear...please no...He is apparently looking for a massive extension (in the region of $112mn/4 years)

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[closg00]

Grant is coming-off a post-op injury, so that would make him a #1 Wizard trade target

[gambitx777]

The only way I can see realistically Tommy trading a pick is if he can get one by trading Harrell to a contender. The problem is who and would anyone realistically trade a 1st for Harrell??

Any team with extra picks in need of rebounding and help in the front court. The pels come to mind. But , probably the Mavs.

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[Frichuela]

The only way I can see realistically Tommy trading a pick is if he can get one by trading Harrell to a contender. The problem is who and would anyone realistically trade a 1st for Harrell??

Any team with extra picks in need of rebounding and help in the front court. The pels come to mind. But , probably the Mavs.

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But Dallas can’t trade a first until 2025 at the earliest. Maybe Memphis, they got 3 1st rounders this year and may want to beef up their front court.