Last Train to Celticsville Trade Thread

[Larry_Russell]

Sabonis and Lamb to Sacramento

Levert to Boston

Fox and Horford to Indiana


Kings
Mitchell
Haliburton
Barnes
Sabonis
Holmes

Pacers
Fox
Brogdon
Holiday/Warren
Turner
Horford

Celtics
Smart
LeVert
Brown
Tatum
Timelord

[GoCeltics123]

Windhorst says the Wiz still feel good about keeping Beal because of the money they can pay him vs other teams and that he likes living in DC

Also would be very surprised if they trade Al. The whole thing about no leader on the team doesn't shock me though

[Feed Your Head]

https://theathletic.com/3078848/2022/01/19/whats-the-latest-on-the-celtics-as-trade-deadline-approaches/?source=emp_shared_article

After spending the 16th pick in the 2021 NBA Draft to acquire Al Horford in the offseason, the Boston Celtics are exploring trading him as they pursue another center, league sources told The Athletic.

In his second stint in Boston, Horford has been one of the team’s top defenders, but he hasn’t been able to find a consistent offensive role. His 28.9 percent shooting from deep is his worst output since he started taking 3s in 2015, and the offense hasn’t revolved much around his pick-and-roll game this year.

Only $14.5 million of his $26.5 million salary is guaranteed next season, making him potentially attractive to teams looking to move off long-term money or take on his salary for an additional asset. As the Celtics look to retool and get below the luxury tax, they have been unsurprisingly open to moving Horford and Josh Richardson, two core rotation players signed beyond this season.

Dennis Schröder has been repeatedly mentioned by league sources as available, despite Celtics president of basketball operations Brad Stevens dancing around the subject in an interview with The Athletic’s Jay King.

Jaylen Brown and Grant Williams have been the most vocal players this year, with Brown trying to often push the team to play with pace and Williams trying to fill the young energy role player slot. But Celtics sources in the locker room said Brown’s defensive inconsistencies and Williams’ youth will often lead to rallying cries being tuned out.

Tatum has cemented his reputation as a quiet, lead-by-example type, while the continued struggles for offensive chemistry between Brown and Smart has created a sense of staleness within the team. Multiple people in the locker room have brought up the lack of desperation from this team, something that often shows throughout the week as the Celtics bounce between composed and lost.

[CelticFaninLBC]

BOS in: Collins, Olynyk & Joseph
ATL in: Jerami Grant and Smart
DET in: Horford, Nesmith, Wright, BOS pick & CHA pick.

[GoCeltics123]

https://theathletic.com/3078848/2022/01/19/whats-the-latest-on-the-celtics-as-trade-deadline-approaches/?source=emp_shared_article

After spending the 16th pick in the 2021 NBA Draft to acquire Al Horford in the offseason, the Boston Celtics are exploring trading him as they pursue another center, league sources told The Athletic.

In his second stint in Boston, Horford has been one of the team’s top defenders, but he hasn’t been able to find a consistent offensive role. His 28.9 percent shooting from deep is his worst output since he started taking 3s in 2015, and the offense hasn’t revolved much around his pick-and-roll game this year.

Only $14.5 million of his $26.5 million salary is guaranteed next season, making him potentially attractive to teams looking to move off long-term money or take on his salary for an additional asset. As the Celtics look to retool and get below the luxury tax, they have been unsurprisingly open to moving Horford and Josh Richardson, two core rotation players signed beyond this season.

Dennis Schröder has been repeatedly mentioned by league sources as available, despite Celtics president of basketball operations Brad Stevens dancing around the subject in an interview with The Athletic’s Jay King.

Jaylen Brown and Grant Williams have been the most vocal players this year, with Brown trying to often push the team to play with pace and Williams trying to fill the young energy role player slot. But Celtics sources in the locker room said Brown’s defensive inconsistencies and Williams’ youth will often lead to rallying cries being tuned out.

Tatum has cemented his reputation as a quiet, lead-by-example type, while the continued struggles for offensive chemistry between Brown and Smart has created a sense of staleness within the team. Multiple people in the locker room have brought up the lack of desperation from this team, something that often shows throughout the week as the Celtics bounce between composed and lost.

How much are we going to bet that this all ends in us doing minor things at the deadline and most of these guys stay lol

[SatchSanders]

There is a path to get Caris Levert and stay under the tax, fwiw.. since we're interested in a "playmaking wing" and he's the only one out there.

Hayward is another. Horford and Romeo for Gordon works.

. Although in all seriousness, I would actually love to see them bring Hayward back, perhaps for a package that looks something like that (even though Langford is my binkie). I can't believe Charlotte would do that, and I don't know how well Hayward got along with Tatum, Brown, and Smart. But it was interesting that Mrs. Hayward posted on IG how her daughter was missing Boston so much.

Hayward's issue as I understood it was that he didn't see as big a role with the Celtics given Tatum and Brown's emergence. But I don't think it was the scoring, and further I think Tatum and Brown respected Hayward very much. You can play three wings like that together if one takes on the distribution role. But as the J's emerged, Hayward couldn't slide into a true point forward role with personalities like Kyrie, Kemba and Smart on the team.

I know people want to upgrade from Smart at PG, but I don't think getting another offensive-dominant point guard is the way to do it. Rather, the Celtics could get someone like Hayward to play point forward and then surround him with the J's and Richardson/JasonHart types. Someone like Pritchard could play the Eddie House role. You don't need a ball-dominant point guard if you have Hayward as the fulcrum. Whether such a deal happened now or in the off-season, the C's could then use the TPEs this summer to build depth as teams dump salaries to go into the free agency market. Of course it would be better to use the TPEs now, but they really seem determined to avoid kicking off the tax.

[Feed Your Head]

https://theathletic.com/3078848/2022/01/19/whats-the-latest-on-the-celtics-as-trade-deadline-approaches/?source=emp_shared_article

After spending the 16th pick in the 2021 NBA Draft to acquire Al Horford in the offseason, the Boston Celtics are exploring trading him as they pursue another center, league sources told The Athletic.

In his second stint in Boston, Horford has been one of the team’s top defenders, but he hasn’t been able to find a consistent offensive role. His 28.9 percent shooting from deep is his worst output since he started taking 3s in 2015, and the offense hasn’t revolved much around his pick-and-roll game this year.

Only $14.5 million of his $26.5 million salary is guaranteed next season, making him potentially attractive to teams looking to move off long-term money or take on his salary for an additional asset. As the Celtics look to retool and get below the luxury tax, they have been unsurprisingly open to moving Horford and Josh Richardson, two core rotation players signed beyond this season.

Dennis Schröder has been repeatedly mentioned by league sources as available, despite Celtics president of basketball operations Brad Stevens dancing around the subject in an interview with The Athletic’s Jay King.

Jaylen Brown and Grant Williams have been the most vocal players this year, with Brown trying to often push the team to play with pace and Williams trying to fill the young energy role player slot. But Celtics sources in the locker room said Brown’s defensive inconsistencies and Williams’ youth will often lead to rallying cries being tuned out.

Tatum has cemented his reputation as a quiet, lead-by-example type, while the continued struggles for offensive chemistry between Brown and Smart has created a sense of staleness within the team. Multiple people in the locker room have brought up the lack of desperation from this team, something that often shows throughout the week as the Celtics bounce between composed and lost.

How much are we going to bet that this all ends in us doing minor things at the deadline and most of these guys stay lol

Anyone who bets against that is silly. That’s next summer stuff, IMO.

[playa-hater]

For starters, I don't think shooting is Boston's main problem. In fact, over the last 10 games or so, the Celtics as a team have the highest efg percentage in the league.

The problem is turnovers. The Celtics are 23rd in the league in turnovers and they are also in the bottom five in assists. They are not a good passing team and they don't protect the ball. And the two feed off each other: the inability and/or unwillingness to pass leads to more turnovers.

These are not problems easily fixed in trades, since the biggest culprits are the two untouchables.

For starters, I don't think shooting is Boston's main problem. In fact, over the last 10 games or so, the Celtics as a team have the highest efg percentage in the league.

The problem is turnovers. The Celtics are 23rd in the league in turnovers and they are also in the bottom five in assists. They are not a good passing team and they don't protect the ball. And the two feed off each other: the inability and/or unwillingness to pass leads to more turnovers.

These are not problems easily fixed in trades, since the biggest culprits are the two untouchables.

1) The Celtics do not for that stretch. They are 7th.
2) Go back 15 games and the Celtics are ranked 20th.

The problems you highlight are real, but so is shooting.

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We’re honestly horrible at finding the open players. In our stars’ mind, taking over means I’m calling my number. This often translates to long shots or drives to the basket that are brilliantly defended. There’s alwats a nesmith or langford or brown or tatum sitting open at the 3 point line. The ball never gets there even if the defense has collapsed. If you start looking foe this you will notice every other offensive play results to this. Honestly so annoying to watch.

We need them to find the open man.

excellent point, but would like to add that when they do find the open man, it is usually late and the timing of being open is often changed and rushed instead of in rhythm

[playa-hater]

There is a path to get Caris Levert and stay under the tax, fwiw.. since we're interested in a "playmaking wing" and he's the only one out there.

Hayward is another. Horford and Romeo for Gordon works.

I would do it just for punishing Hayward for leaving us with this mess

[greenroom31]

https://theathletic.com/3078848/2022/01/19/whats-the-latest-on-the-celtics-as-trade-deadline-approaches/?source=emp_shared_article

How much are we going to bet that this all ends in us doing minor things at the deadline and most of these guys stay lol

Anyone who bets against that is silly. That’s next summer stuff, IMO.

I'm going to get my hopes up because Sacramento, Indiana and others seem prepared to do some desperate stuff that could lead to bigger activity than usual in theory.

Realistically you're right, but the heart wants what the heart wants heh

[Feed Your Head]

How much are we going to bet that this all ends in us doing minor things at the deadline and most of these guys stay lol

Anyone who bets against that is silly. That’s next summer stuff, IMO.

I'm going to get my hopes up because Sacramento, Indiana and others seem prepared to do some desperate stuff that could lead to bigger activity than usual in theory.

Realistically you're right, but the heart wants what the heart wants heh

My heart is with you, and even a small part of my brain. But this team needs a real shakeup (not implying anything), and next summer seems like the better time.

[CelticFaninLBC]

https://theathletic.com/3078848/2022/01/19/whats-the-latest-on-the-celtics-as-trade-deadline-approaches/?source=emp_shared_article

After spending the 16th pick in the 2021 NBA Draft to acquire Al Horford in the offseason, the Boston Celtics are exploring trading him as they pursue another center, league sources told The Athletic.

In his second stint in Boston, Horford has been one of the team’s top defenders, but he hasn’t been able to find a consistent offensive role. His 28.9 percent shooting from deep is his worst output since he started taking 3s in 2015, and the offense hasn’t revolved much around his pick-and-roll game this year.

Only $14.5 million of his $26.5 million salary is guaranteed next season, making him potentially attractive to teams looking to move off long-term money or take on his salary for an additional asset. As the Celtics look to retool and get below the luxury tax, they have been unsurprisingly open to moving Horford and Josh Richardson, two core rotation players signed beyond this season.

Dennis Schröder has been repeatedly mentioned by league sources as available, despite Celtics president of basketball operations Brad Stevens dancing around the subject in an interview with The Athletic’s Jay King.

Jaylen Brown and Grant Williams have been the most vocal players this year, with Brown trying to often push the team to play with pace and Williams trying to fill the young energy role player slot. But Celtics sources in the locker room said Brown’s defensive inconsistencies and Williams’ youth will often lead to rallying cries being tuned out.

Tatum has cemented his reputation as a quiet, lead-by-example type, while the continued struggles for offensive chemistry between Brown and Smart has created a sense of staleness within the team. Multiple people in the locker room have brought up the lack of desperation from this team, something that often shows throughout the week as the Celtics bounce between composed and lost.

How much are we going to bet that this all ends in us doing minor things at the deadline and most of these guys stay lol

Very likely, but the deadline seems like the opportune time to deal Smart.

[zoyathedestroya]

All of this is just a preamble for Tatum, Doncic, and Jokic to team up this summer. Go Cs.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Boston, Indiana and Sacramento collectively put a lot of scenarios on the table. Portland could do anything, Atlanta could shake things up, Charlotte might have the urgency to get a center, Jerami Grant is really unlikely to stay put, and there's a chance Philadelphia gets a Simmons offer they can live with. That many teams and that many pieces in play help the odds we make 3-4 moves.

[Larry_Russell]

I'm 100% down to move on from Horford ASAP.

Horford and a pair of firsts for Grant/Olynyk. Ideally sub in one of the firsts for Nesmith or Langford.

Horford for Hield/Bagley or in the spirit of bringing old faces back Hield/TT. Would be amazing for it to be Barnes/Bagley or Barnes/TT, but I wouldn't pony up the price to make that swap realistically.

Horford for Gordon/Theis. Horford plus Nesmith/first for Gordon/Wood (how do you like them apples?).

Olynyk could be a target, for Al/sweetener, or into the TPE, or for Josh in a three team deal..

Would make a lot of sense - reasonable contract, can play next to Rob, stretches the floor, good playmaking IQ.. kind of a center.

Josh out to team x, Olynyk in
Dennis for Jalen Smith
Al for some kind of pricey wing or bad contract + wing, maybe Romeo or Aaron outgoing…

How about something like:

Jerami Grant and Olynyk to Boston
Al and Dennis to Dallas
Hardaway, Powell, Nesmith, and pick(s) (from Boston) to Detriot

Boston upgrades their roster, Dallas gets deeper and can go with the "twin-towers". and Detriot tanks and gets assets for the future

Smart, Pritchard
Brown, Richardson
Tatum, Langford
J Grant, G Williams
Rob, Olynyk, Freedom

Hopefully, Boston can grab a backup PG on the buyout market.

I am not tht sold on Grant. And he wants a big extension.

Only 33% FROM 3
Only a 13.9% assist

For all the flack that jaylen gets as a playmaker his is a 15.5% assist rate

[playa-hater]

Anyone else feel as If Boston is/will go all in for Beal this summer and Beal just resigns with Wash?? I hope we have a good plan B.

[zoyathedestroya]

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[Andrew McCeltic]

Getting to the conference finals so many times may have hurt Brown and Tatum. Too much team success they didn't earn. Harder to get motivated when playing your hardest is the difference between the late lottery and a first round exit as the seven seed.

[Curmudgeon]

It's too bad that Horford can't be traded back to OKC so soon. I would do Horford for Mike Muscala in a heartbeat.

So they want another center, LOL. Horford to Sacramento for Buddy Hield and Richaun Holmes is a deal that Sacramento would probably do. They've been trying to trade Hield forever. They are also trying to unload Fox on the Pacers for Sabonis, so that makes Holmes expendable.

As I said yesterday, Horford and picks to Indiana for Sabonis and T.J. McConnell is a better deal that De'Aaron Fox, because Fox and Brunson duplicate each other, and Fox is (as we Bostonians say) wicked expensive.

[playa-hater]

Boston, Indiana and Sacramento collectively put a lot of scenarios on the table. Portland could do anything, Atlanta could shake things up, Charlotte might have the urgency to get a center, Jerami Grant is really unlikely to stay put, and there's a chance Philadelphia gets a Simmons offer they can live with. That many teams and that many pieces in play help the odds we make 3-4 moves.

I was just wondering what team makes the first Big splash and makes the Dominos fall.