Where does Joel embiid rank among all time scoring bigs?

falcolombardi · Post #1 » by **falcolombardi** » Thu Jan 20, 2022 2:48 am

Based only in peak scoring play rather than prime longevity

where does he stack up?

does he have a case among the top 10 all time scorers regardless of position?

SHAQ32 · Post #2 » by **SHAQ32** » Thu Jan 20, 2022 3:21 am

I think you can make a case either way. Beside the names that would immediately come to mind, you have to mention Amar'e, Bosh, Towns.

His scoring doesn't look special on the surface, but factoring in that he played in a balanced offense and didn't get to dominate the ball every night and was as skilled or more than anybody from his era and super-efficient, KAT's forefather, Brad Daugherty.

eyeatoma · Post #3 » by **eyeatoma** » Thu Jan 20, 2022 3:43 am

Read on Twitter

This should tell you something about how great a scorer he is.

rate_ · Post #4 » by **rate_** » Thu Jan 20, 2022 4:40 am

Embiid has never averaged 30+ PTS over a 10 game span in the playoffs. Here are some of these players averages over a 10 game span in the playoffs:

Hakeem 35/12/5/2/3 | 53% FG
Wilt 37/26/3 | 47% FG
Shaq 35/17/2 | 57% FG
Kareem 36/16/5 | 59% FG

feyki · Post #5 » by **feyki** » Thu Jan 20, 2022 6:40 am

Kareem,Shaq,McAdoo,Mikan were better; also, Ewing,Wilt,Lanier,Cousins arguably. Top 5 likely, top 10 at worst.

rand · Post #6 » by **rand** » Thu Jan 20, 2022 6:58 am

eyeatoma wrote:

Read on Twitter

This should tell you something about how great a scorer he is.

Four of the eight players on this list being active players (including CJ McCollum lol) should tell you something else about drawing any conclusions from this list

Prokorov · Post #7 » by **Prokorov** » Thu Jan 20, 2022 7:20 am

I think Top 5 among centers is a non-starter.

Top 10 any position is a "back away from the drugs" type situation.

Peak top 5 among C:
Hakeem/Wilt/Shaq/Kareem/Robinson. if you expand prime to include Sabonis he is there too.

Also, Factor in Embiid plays in an era with 0 realy bigs. he is going against a 6'9" guy most nights. He is already not so durable, baning with 7 foot 270 pound guys every night probably doesnt help that.

70sFan · Post #8 » by **70sFan** » Thu Jan 20, 2022 8:32 am

I'd definitely take Kareem and Shaq over him. Wilt too and for now I'd give Hakeem edge because of postseason play. If we're talking about peaks, then Moses peaked higher than Embiid as well. Then you have arguable names like McAdoo, Lanier, Robinson, Jokic. So top 10 is a lock basically, top 5 is harder but maybe?

Dr Positivity · Post #9 » by **Dr Positivity** » Thu Jan 20, 2022 8:47 am

I'd put Shaq, Kareem, Wilt and McAdoo definitely ahead, and Hakeem while regular season is an argument, proved himself at a high level in playoffs. Others with decent case

Robinson - bigger regular season peak (1st in PPG) but dropped in playoffs
Moses - probably peaked slightly higher for his era in scoring
Jokic - amazing efficiency
Amare - crazy PNR skillset
Towns - Depends whether you want to include floor stretch value as "scoring"
Ewing - peak numbers similar to Embiid in harder center era
Neil Johnston - great numbers for his era

Not sure I'd have Embiid top 10 looking at that list

HeartBreakKid · Post #10 » by **HeartBreakKid** » Thu Jan 20, 2022 9:22 am

Charles Barkley, Dirk Nowitzki, Amare Stouidmire, Larry Bird, Kevin McHale are all shnasty power forwards. They're bigs, are they not?

No-more-rings · Post #11 » by **No-more-rings** » Thu Jan 20, 2022 4:22 pm

Who the hell voted top 3 here? He hasn't shown nearly enough to be put ahead of Shaq, Kareem, Wilt, Dirk, or Barkley at the very least. I doubt he's even a better scorer than Jokic.

falcolombardi · Post #12 » by **falcolombardi** » Thu Jan 20, 2022 4:36 pm

rand wrote:
eyeatoma wrote:

Read on Twitter

This should tell you something about how great a scorer he is.

Four of the eight players on this list being active players (including CJ McCollum lol) should tell you something else about drawing any conclusions from this list

it probably tells more about the power of getting hot from 3 than anythingh else, 4 of those guys are 3 point heavy guys in the 3 point ball era

embiid benefits from that but just indirectly as he doesnt take many 3's

Hussien Fatal · Post #13 » by **Hussien Fatal** » Thu Jan 20, 2022 6:10 pm

Joel I don’t think he is in the top 3-4 YET! I think by the end of his career he will be known as one of the best scorers PERIOD. Joel is now going on season number 2 averaging 28+ Hakeem’s highest regular season ppg was in the 27 range. I think the only centers better in the history of the game are Kareem, Shaq, Wilt, And D-Rob.