We are not going to win a championship this year

[Suwanee]

James Harden came back to play on one leg in the playoffs....

Kyrie stays in his incoherent world....

Smh

lol. Yeah I don’t know how anyone can question Harden’s dedication and desire to win after that series. And the same person defending Kyrie to no end is even more bizarre. Totally mind boggling.

[Stone]

In real estate they say there are on two days that matter. The day you buy it and the day you sell it.

Our last day of the season is either going to see us lift a trophy or going fishing.

We are barely past the mid season point, and right now we are down two starters. Believe me I get it, there are legitimate reasons to be pessimistic that have already been mentioned. But if anything, I see our glass as half full.

[GYK]

One thing I notice reading here and Twitter Kyrie thoughts, motives and desires seemed to be connected to Durant. As if they share the same thoughts, motives and desires. That’s just not true. Coming to the team together doesn’t mean they are the same person nor have the same status. Two separate beings.
Just an observation but it would be nice if didn’t use their friendship status directly or indirectly to why we have to side with his thoughts, actions, motives and desires.

Not getting the vaccine is just wrong. It’s a freedom of choice but literally the wrong one. We don’t got polio.

[HardenGoat]

Harden has never refused to play. Just want to keep the record straight. Yes he forced his way out of Houston but he did show up and play until he was traded.

[Pablo Escobar]

Kyrie is relevant because he plays basketball. All of this side business talk is only possible because.. you guessed it! BASKETBALL. He's an airhead who thinks he's more important than he really is. He's a nike athlete and his shoes are made in sweatshops lol I don't wanna hear about him being a "voice for the voiceless".. clown. Nets should trade him and if his beta friend Kd has a problem with it too bad cause the goal is a title. And if it wasn't then why did Kd recruit Harden in the summer?.. these dudes are very odd and I can see why they're friends. Harden came here to win a title and this is why he was recruited if this clown show continues he'll leave and the duo of Kd and Kyrie isn't good enough to get it done.

[GYK]

^^^on the reverse end. KD has nothing to do with the actions of his friends. He’s done exactly what is expected of him and shouldn’t have to go down for his friends actions either.
I said sides but there’s only one side. Winning. To do that we need both KD and Harden with a team around them that can space, defend and rebound against anyone with any combination of players out there. Even if both, one or none are out there the role players identity should remain spacing, defense and rebounding. Waiting to plug in a high usage catalyst player, like Durant or Harden.

Kyrie is a headache. But that’s something we all knew. Something we were prepared for when signing him. Something that becomes far manageable if we didn’t have other problems. Harden and the right fit role players have proven to be a buzzsaw for this era. The time that supporting cast was a group of 2way wings and a rim runner/protector with great rebounding it was legendary(arguably the best team to never win a title hands down).
Kyrie status determines if we can overwhelm teams with our top end talent. However if we just fix the roster(yes including moving Joe and young players) to fit what’s necessary for what’s been proven and obvious needs, we are even in a better space for Kyrie’s decision.

Kyrie is back because we were playing bad. We were playing bad because injuries, a lack of spacing, our defense reverted back to last seasons and the continuous rebounding issue. Kyrie, Harden and Durant have continued to mask the terrible(and I mean TERRIBLE) roster construction of this team. Things like “out talent”, “overwhelm”, the entirely dumb lines “it doesn’t matter who they play with” or “the defense can be bad because they can score 120” are all the real problems.
Kyrie status is minuscule compared to what this FO believes in what should be around stars. So desperate to reinvent the wheel we ignore having the KEY piece of the team every non Warrior contender has designed their team to be like(why? Cause it works.).

[Papi_swav]

I still think we win the East, we just have to overtake the bucks and maybe the HEAT are the only teams in the East I'm worried about. I think Kyrie will be able to soon play home games so him and Harden can mesh while KD comes back right in time for the playoff run. We can still do this. The only way we lose is if we're not healthy, that's it and that's all. We blew the Bucks out by 50 and we were on a roll when the big 3 was playing until Kyrie went down and Harden was on one leg. We just have to hope and pray these guys can stay healthy in a playoff run.

[HardenGoat]

I still think we win the East, we just have to overtake the bucks and maybe the HEAT are the only teams in the East I'm worried about. I think Kyrie will be able to soon play home games so him and Harden can mesh while KD comes back right in time for the playoff run. We can still do this. The only way we lose is if we're not healthy, that's it and that's all. We blew the Bucks out by 50 and we were on a roll when the big 3 was playing until Kyrie went down and Harden was on one leg. We just have to hope and pray these guys can stay healthy in a playoff run.

I think we can too if the team can stay focussed. I believe there will be about 30 games left when Durant comes back. Seeding is not as important this year so it will be critical to not push Durant and Harden during the last couple weeks of the season. Treat Kyrie as if he has an injury that requires sitting out every other game. The focus on roster should be to replace his scoring which means we need a shooter that can handle the ball that can sub in for Mills. Cut or trade Carter and add Claxton if needed to get the best option. Hopefully Sharpe continues to improve and gel. We have Griffin and LMA for depth there. Kessler should be used in the corner and sub in for Harris when he comes back. We have enough talent to win the question is can we gel knowing Kyrie has a unique situation never seen before.

[MrDollarBills]

James Harden came back to play on one leg in the playoffs....

Kyrie stays in his incoherent world....

Smh

Pretty much. The idea of "oh, he played hurt for us ho hum" to me is bizarre. Dude risked significant injury doing what he did just to win. Kyrie won't sit down for 30 seconds and take a harmless shot. There is no question who the more dedicated player is.

[NetsWorld]

Kyrie is relevant because he plays basketball. All of this side business talk is only possible because.. you guessed it! BASKETBALL. He's an airhead who thinks he's more important than he really is. He's a nike athlete and his shoes are made in sweatshops lol I don't wanna hear about him being a "voice for the voiceless".. clown. Nets should trade him and if his beta friend Kd has a problem with it too bad cause the goal is a title. And if it wasn't then why did Kd recruit Harden in the summer?.. these dudes are very odd and I can see why they're friends. Harden came here to win a title and this is why he was recruited if this clown show continues he'll leave and the duo of Kd and Kyrie isn't good enough to get it done.

You mean the same Kyrie/KD duo which was whacking the Bucks and obliterated the Warriors on opening night of 20-21? Kyrie/KD is good enough IF and it's a big IF, Kyrie is more dependable to be on the court, if it weren't the vaccine issue, he would have found another excuse like he did many times last year. All a Kyrie/KD superstar duo needs is solid role players. You do that by developing the rookies now and getting 3 and D type players around them. Don't forget, Kyrie is younger than Harden, and if we lose Harden, you best believe we will get something back because Harden wants his mega bucks and the Nets ARE NOT doing any favors for Philly. I really don't think teams will like the idea of a Kyrie/KD/Simmons trio. Simmons just needs the right team right now after his spat with Philly and Kyrie just needs to be available. I will still take that trio over any other team.

For the record, a KD/Kyrie/Simmons trio is akin to James/Bosh/Wade in Miami.

[HardenGoat]

Kyrie is relevant because he plays basketball. All of this side business talk is only possible because.. you guessed it! BASKETBALL. He's an airhead who thinks he's more important than he really is. He's a nike athlete and his shoes are made in sweatshops lol I don't wanna hear about him being a "voice for the voiceless".. clown. Nets should trade him and if his beta friend Kd has a problem with it too bad cause the goal is a title. And if it wasn't then why did Kd recruit Harden in the summer?.. these dudes are very odd and I can see why they're friends. Harden came here to win a title and this is why he was recruited if this clown show continues he'll leave and the duo of Kd and Kyrie isn't good enough to get it done.

You mean the same Kyrie/KD duo which was whacking the Bucks and obliterated the Warriors on opening night of 20-21? Kyrie/KD is good enough IF and it's a big IF, Kyrie is more dependable to be on the court, if it weren't the vaccine issue, he would have found another excuse like he did many times last year. All a Kyrie/KD superstar duo needs is solid role players. You do that by developing the rookies now and getting 3 and D type players around them. Don't forget, Kyrie is younger than Harden, and if we lose Harden, you best believe we will get something back because Harden wants his mega bucks and the Nets ARE NOT doing any favors for Philly. I really don't think teams will like the idea of a Kyrie/KD/Simmons trio. Simmons just needs the right team right now after his spat with Philly and Kyrie just needs to be available. I will still take that trio over any other team.

For the record, a KD/Kyrie/Simmons trio is akin to James/Bosh/Wade in Miami.

We may be talking about Harden and his upcoming contract but Imagine what it's going to be like navigating a contract with Kyrie. I think that is exactly why Harden is being open. There's red flags galore when it comes to playing a team sport with Kyrie. It's literally his side gig but only when it's in line with his bigger life, whatever that is. Contrast that with a player like Mills, imagine the conversations they have in the locker room when it comes to their goals for the season. In my work we all know of a few quack doctors, they are super smart, talented, gifted, but we would never send our patients there. The only ones they get are quack patients, or ones that didn't do their research. Kyrie is a quack.

[NetsWorld]

Kyrie is relevant because he plays basketball. All of this side business talk is only possible because.. you guessed it! BASKETBALL. He's an airhead who thinks he's more important than he really is. He's a nike athlete and his shoes are made in sweatshops lol I don't wanna hear about him being a "voice for the voiceless".. clown. Nets should trade him and if his beta friend Kd has a problem with it too bad cause the goal is a title. And if it wasn't then why did Kd recruit Harden in the summer?.. these dudes are very odd and I can see why they're friends. Harden came here to win a title and this is why he was recruited if this clown show continues he'll leave and the duo of Kd and Kyrie isn't good enough to get it done.

You mean the same Kyrie/KD duo which was whacking the Bucks and obliterated the Warriors on opening night of 20-21? Kyrie/KD is good enough IF and it's a big IF, Kyrie is more dependable to be on the court, if it weren't the vaccine issue, he would have found another excuse like he did many times last year. All a Kyrie/KD superstar duo needs is solid role players. You do that by developing the rookies now and getting 3 and D type players around them. Don't forget, Kyrie is younger than Harden, and if we lose Harden, you best believe we will get something back because Harden wants his mega bucks and the Nets ARE NOT doing any favors for Philly. I really don't think teams will like the idea of a Kyrie/KD/Simmons trio. Simmons just needs the right team right now after his spat with Philly and Kyrie just needs to be available. I will still take that trio over any other team.

For the record, a KD/Kyrie/Simmons trio is akin to James/Bosh/Wade in Miami.

We may be talking about Harden and his upcoming contract but Imagine what it's going to be like navigating a contract with Kyrie. I think that is exactly why Harden is being open. There's red flags galore when it comes to playing a team sport with Kyrie. It's literally his side gig but only when it's in line with his bigger life, whatever that is. Contrast that with a player like Mills, imagine the conversations they have in the locker room when it comes to their goals for the season. In my work we all know of a few quack doctors, they are super smart, talented, gifted, but we would never send our patients there. The only ones they get are quack patients, or ones that didn't do their research. Kyrie is a quack.

Harden is far more dependable of being on the court than Kyrie. And I have advocated for a big two of Harden/KD as long as they have the proper personnel, and they don't. Too many defensive minded players were playing all year with barely any floor spacing due to injuries and a player being unreliable. I am talking a hypothetical scenario where if Harden goes elsewhere, I don't blame him but I don't think it's gonna work out without him wanting big bucks and two, Marks is not gifting Harden to the Sixers without taking back solid 3 and D players on top of Simmons. Nets are not in a bad situation, they are in command because Harden wants his money and knows he can compete with a dominant Embiid.

On to next years goals, it will be a retool IMO and Nash will play the now rookies and soon second year players a lot more minutes and help develop them into solid players. I could see Cam averaging 18 PPG, Kessler 14 PPG and Sharpe 13 easily next season. That should be the goal, prepare them and develop home grown talent next year. It helps us compete for 1 and 2, if a star becomes available, you have player assets that teams will want.

[gigantes]

I could see Cam averaging 18 PPG, Kessler 14 PPG and Sharpe 13 easily next season. That should be the goal, prepare them and develop home grown talent next year. It helps us compete for 1 and 2, if a star becomes available, you have player assets that teams will want.

Seeing the young guys play and do well is one of the most enjoyable Nets-related things I've seen in the past three seasons.

For me, being a fan is so much more fun when it's about developing players and watching things come together than it is about hoping for (or assuming) championships. Because this 'blowing a load of assets and sending off a bunch of young talent for a chance at a chip' is almost the opposite of why I became a fan, many years ago. I mean it would be one thing if it actually worked, but...

And yes, I did have a sinking... sinking feeling when KD & Kyrie signed & DLo got shipped off. Very similar feeling from the KG / Pierce trade, altho in both cases, I just rolled with it as a fan. There's just nothing else to do, I guess.

/rant

[_Und3r][D4wg_]

We are not going to win a championship this year

Now imagine if MDB would bet some money on this and proceeds to tune out for the rest of the season... Might just recreate the cosmic conditions that allowed us to wallop the Bulls a few games ago.

[Jay555]

You mean the same Kyrie/KD duo which was whacking the Bucks and obliterated the Warriors on opening night of 20-21? Kyrie/KD is good enough IF and it's a big IF, Kyrie is more dependable to be on the court, if it weren't the vaccine issue, he would have found another excuse like he did many times last year. All a Kyrie/KD superstar duo needs is solid role players. You do that by developing the rookies now and getting 3 and D type players around them. Don't forget, Kyrie is younger than Harden, and if we lose Harden, you best believe we will get something back because Harden wants his mega bucks and the Nets ARE NOT doing any favors for Philly. I really don't think teams will like the idea of a Kyrie/KD/Simmons trio. Simmons just needs the right team right now after his spat with Philly and Kyrie just needs to be available. I will still take that trio over any other team.

For the record, a KD/Kyrie/Simmons trio is akin to James/Bosh/Wade in Miami.

We may be talking about Harden and his upcoming contract but Imagine what it's going to be like navigating a contract with Kyrie. I think that is exactly why Harden is being open. There's red flags galore when it comes to playing a team sport with Kyrie. It's literally his side gig but only when it's in line with his bigger life, whatever that is. Contrast that with a player like Mills, imagine the conversations they have in the locker room when it comes to their goals for the season. In my work we all know of a few quack doctors, they are super smart, talented, gifted, but we would never send our patients there. The only ones they get are quack patients, or ones that didn't do their research. Kyrie is a quack.

Harden is far more dependable of being on the court than Kyrie. And I have advocated for a big two of Harden/KD as long as they have the proper personnel, and they don't. Too many defensive minded players were playing all year with barely any floor spacing due to injuries and a player being unreliable. I am talking a hypothetical scenario where if Harden goes elsewhere, I don't blame him but I don't think it's gonna work out without him wanting big bucks and two, Marks is not gifting Harden to the Sixers without taking back solid 3 and D players on top of Simmons. Nets are not in a bad situation, they are in command because Harden wants his money and knows he can compete with a dominant Embiid.

On to next years goals, it will be a retool IMO and Nash will play the now rookies and soon second year players a lot more minutes and help develop them into solid players. I could see Cam averaging 18 PPG, Kessler 14 PPG and Sharpe 13 easily next season. That should be the goal, prepare them and develop home grown talent next year. It helps us compete for 1 and 2, if a star becomes available, you have player assets that teams will want.

Despite all the rumors, I do not think Harden will leave. KD & Kyrie > Embiid plus fillers. Yes, he needs a chip but KD & Kyrie still give him the best chance to win among all these teams. Most importantly, these three are tight. We will see.

[MrDollarBills]

We are not going to win a championship this year

Now imagine if MDB would bet some money on this and proceeds to tune out for the rest of the season... Might just recreate the cosmic conditions that allowed us to wallop the Bulls a few games ago.

Lmao I should bet on another team to win, knowing my luck the Nets would go on a 16-0 run in the post season

[NetsWorld]

I still think we win the East, we just have to overtake the bucks and maybe the HEAT are the only teams in the East I'm worried about. I think Kyrie will be able to soon play home games so him and Harden can mesh while KD comes back right in time for the playoff run. We can still do this. The only way we lose is if we're not healthy, that's it and that's all. We blew the Bucks out by 50 and we were on a roll when the big 3 was playing until Kyrie went down and Harden was on one leg. We just have to hope and pray these guys can stay healthy in a playoff run.

I think we can too if the team can stay focussed. I believe there will be about 30 games left when Durant comes back. Seeding is not as important this year so it will be critical to not push Durant and Harden during the last couple weeks of the season. Treat Kyrie as if he has an injury that requires sitting out every other game. The focus on roster should be to replace his scoring which means we need a shooter that can handle the ball that can sub in for Mills. Cut or trade Carter and add Claxton if needed to get the best option. Hopefully Sharpe continues to improve and gel. We have Griffin and LMA for depth there. Kessler should be used in the corner and sub in for Harris when he comes back. We have enough talent to win the question is can we gel knowing Kyrie has a unique situation never seen before.

The more Kyrie plays, Kyrie/Harden will keep us a float and win games; not many teams will be happy if KD returns by March healthy and fresh. Why, they know they cannot handle our big three. Harris should be back soon as should Claxton. I really want us to succeed and shut people up so people can start licking their wounds and crying how they lost to us.

[GYK]

I wouldn’t be so sure of Harden not leaving for Joel and fillers. Joel is a great defensive player who can score and Harden is a hub player. We kinda refuse to get that sort of defensive piece on this team, we like Joe a lot. We like a lot of our 4-15 guys more than if they actually make us a fitting complete 2way team. Morrey is the worst GM we could be in a competition with to keep him because he knows exactly how to and what to put around Harden. It’ll be the Rockets with Joel instead of Clint. Not as overwhelming as KD-Harden-Kyrie but the 3’s/layups philosophy + defense/rebounding might sway him. It’s our roster construction that’s the continuous problem even in Year2.

[Prokorov]

I wouldn’t be so sure of Harden not leaving for Joel and fillers. Joel is a great defensive player who can score and Harden is a hub player. We kinda refuse to get that sort of defensive piece on this team, we like Joe a lot. We like a lot of our 4-15 guys more than if they actually make us a fitting complete 2way team. Morrey is the worst GM we could be in a competition with to keep him because he knows exactly how to and what to put around Harden. It’ll be the Rockets with Joel instead of Clint. Not as overwhelming as KD-Harden-Kyrie but the 3’s/layups philosophy + defense/rebounding might sway him. It’s our roster construction that’s the continuous problem even in Year2.

If he goes its for Morey and having his own team/say, not Embiid. No one is joining Embiid to win a title. too big of an injury risk and too big of a playoff loser.

I think Harden could walk. either way i think it is irrelevant to this year. if Harden told me himself he was 110% leaving id still keep him and try and win this year.

[Karate Diop]

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Prok, if you're perfectly fine with this guy flushing the team's championship aspirations down the toilet, good on you.

I don't have to feel the same way. Neither does any other Nets fan. We are all here because we want to see the team win. Period.

Kyrie has every right to hold his ground, and we have every right not to like what it is doing to our basketball team. We're not here for any other reason but basketball, so at this point I don't want to hear crap about how basketball isn't their life. You either want to win, or you don't. Right now, the guy I KNOW who wants to win is James Harden. Kyrie, I definitely know he doesn't give a flying f*ck and seems like KD doesn't either.

Fact is, we're not going to win, and Harden is going to leave. This stuff just doesn't get put out there for no reason. If Philly believes that they have a legit chance of stealing him away, it's because his agent has let them know.

Part of it is how woefully unprepared Nash is to be a head coach. But Kyrie doing this is far, far more damaging to this team's success.

We beat one good team all season, and it was because we had all 3 guys together. That has to happen for 16 games in the playoffs.

Philly can't just steal him away though... They'd either have to play ball with sign and trade or dump Simmons and Tobias for little to no salary in return... And nobody is taking Tobias' deal without notable incentive coming their way, so...

Not saying Harden can't or won't leave, but it's not that easy for him to just pick a team or another contending team.to acquire him.

I share your overall frustration on all fronts though (Harden, Kyrie, Nash, team in general...)...