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MrDollarBills wrote:The Nets are lucky.
This is not a championship team. Nowhere close.
I told yall on page 1 of this thread: there are no teams a club this dysfunctional "should" beat.
Our coaching is garbage. The play calling in the 4th is non existent. The ball doesn't move.
It's hard to be excited about this team.
TheNetsFan wrote:Hello Brooklyn wrote:Harden was God awful in the 4th.
Hes supposed to be an elite scorer but could do nothing to score. At least Ky was trying.
He wasn't good all game.
Hello Brooklyn wrote:I'm almost done with Harden guys. Hes a straight bum.
Kyrie doesn't play for 6 months and already looks 5x better than Harden has all season.
What is his excuse anymore? Hes not consistently good.
How is he worth 40 mill. We would be fools to sign him to that kind of a deal.
Take Simmons for him. We would be a better team.
Prokorov wrote:MrDollarBills wrote:I think that the coach has to dictate the style of play. Nash needs to have a video session with Harden and they need to have a come to Jesus moment. I don't care about Harden’s efficiency right now. He has got to handle the ball with more urgency as the primary ball handler. When he crosses past half court, move the ball, get it back.
Again, what is wrong with Harden's efficiency? 59 TS%, top 20 among non-bigs, and top 8 for guys who score 20+. .002% behind Steph Curry. And that is with a bad first few weeks/new rules targeting him. I agree we walk it up too much, but Harden has been great. The coaches need to actually put guys in spots to succeed.Our primary issue is that we don't shift the defense in the half court. Common sense basketball is shifting the defense via ball movement and screens and taking the openings. Standing 5 out, no movement and dribbling into contested shots is YMCA ball
Yeah, we have guys with huge gravity but keep them stand still on the wing. where they will never ever ever require off-ball help/doubles
Jay555 wrote:did not watch the whole game. How did Harden go from 0 turnover in the first half to 8 turnovers in the second half? He will bounce back.. The thing I am concerned about is his mintunes. He's close to 40 mins again and played the whole 4th quarter. How many 12 mins 4th quarter has he played now this season? Can Nash give him a breather? You can not play this dude 40 mins a game. You know what happened last season.
At least we came away with a W and chemistry wise things seem ok. Kess/Sharpe both are keepers. It's hard to find rooks that are NBA ready in their first season and we got three.
Let's get more W on this road trip.
HardenGoat wrote:Jay555 wrote:did not watch the whole game. How did Harden go from 0 turnover in the first half to 8 turnovers in the second half? He will bounce back.. The thing I am concerned about is his mintunes. He's close to 40 mins again and played the whole 4th quarter. How many 12 mins 4th quarter has he played now this season? Can Nash give him a breather? You can not play this dude 40 mins a game. You know what happened last season.
At least we came away with a W and chemistry wise things seem ok. Kess/Sharpe both are keepers. It's hard to find rooks that are NBA ready in their first season and we got three.
Let's get more W on this road trip.
That is what he does when he’s tired. I think he runs out of steam easier this year. Nash wont sub him cause he is more concerned about over playing Kyrie at this time and who’s left right now Carter? We need another primary ball handler that can shoot. This might be the best we have cause it’s mid season and he’s not getting any younger.
MrDollarBills wrote:Prokorov wrote:MrDollarBills wrote:I think that the coach has to dictate the style of play. Nash needs to have a video session with Harden and they need to have a come to Jesus moment. I don't care about Harden’s efficiency right now. He has got to handle the ball with more urgency as the primary ball handler. When he crosses past half court, move the ball, get it back.
Again, what is wrong with Harden's efficiency? 59 TS%, top 20 among non-bigs, and top 8 for guys who score 20+. .002% behind Steph Curry. And that is with a bad first few weeks/new rules targeting him. I agree we walk it up too much, but Harden has been great. The coaches need to actually put guys in spots to succeed.Our primary issue is that we don't shift the defense in the half court. Common sense basketball is shifting the defense via ball movement and screens and taking the openings. Standing 5 out, no movement and dribbling into contested shots is YMCA ball
Yeah, we have guys with huge gravity but keep them stand still on the wing. where they will never ever ever require off-ball help/doubles
Harden has got to get the team into its set quicker on offense. Nash sucks but Harden did us no favors last night by going in slow motion in the 4th where he wastes time probing and then passing to someone with 4 secs left for a contested shot.
Maybe Kyrie or Mills need to initiate the offense and let Harden focus on scoring more. I don't know. But he can't play like he did in the 2nd half and expect us to win games against good teams.
Sharcm1 wrote:Waiting for people to explain to me again how harden is playing well this season after another poor performance. This is a typical game for him. There have been some flashes of super star harden but nothing game in game out. The 8 turn overs. The bad shooting 0/5 from three 7/21 from the field. The slow down offensive. Irving bailed him out this game.
I never understood why harden brings the ball up the court so slow. He almost always barely gets it over the line in time. Nets are constantly starting at 16 or 17 seconds left. Then he holds the ball for 10 more seconds and either does a side step three or a contested shot for his teammates. It’s super frustrating and slows down the nets offense. He does it so often the results turn out like this game
HardenGoat wrote:Jay555 wrote:did not watch the whole game. How did Harden go from 0 turnover in the first half to 8 turnovers in the second half? He will bounce back.. The thing I am concerned about is his mintunes. He's close to 40 mins again and played the whole 4th quarter. How many 12 mins 4th quarter has he played now this season? Can Nash give him a breather? You can not play this dude 40 mins a game. You know what happened last season.
At least we came away with a W and chemistry wise things seem ok. Kess/Sharpe both are keepers. It's hard to find rooks that are NBA ready in their first season and we got three.
Let's get more W on this road trip.
That is what he does when he’s tired. I think he runs out of steam easier this year. Nash wont sub him cause he is more concerned about over playing Kyrie at this time and who’s left right now Carter? We need another primary ball handler that can shoot. This might be the best we have cause it’s mid season and he’s not getting any younger.
MrDollarBills wrote:HardenGoat wrote:Jay555 wrote:did not watch the whole game. How did Harden go from 0 turnover in the first half to 8 turnovers in the second half? He will bounce back.. The thing I am concerned about is his mintunes. He's close to 40 mins again and played the whole 4th quarter. How many 12 mins 4th quarter has he played now this season? Can Nash give him a breather? You can not play this dude 40 mins a game. You know what happened last season.
At least we came away with a W and chemistry wise things seem ok. Kess/Sharpe both are keepers. It's hard to find rooks that are NBA ready in their first season and we got three.
Let's get more W on this road trip.
That is what he does when he’s tired. I think he runs out of steam easier this year. Nash wont sub him cause he is more concerned about over playing Kyrie at this time and who’s left right now Carter? We need another primary ball handler that can shoot. This might be the best we have cause it’s mid season and he’s not getting any younger.
8 turnovers in a half is definitely fatigue related.
Nash sucks so bad at this. Who cares about overplaying Kyrie? I'd run Kyrie til he drops, the dude spent the first part of the season sitting at home on his ass and is a part time player. Kyrie should play 38 minutes minimum.
KD35Netted wrote:Wizards and NBA fans be mad that Vanderpool touched the ball. Good, screw them. How many calls did Washington get away with tonight as well. The Kuzma pass to himself, Kyrie's shot touching the rim before grabbing the O rebound, and many calls not called in favor of Harden. The refs let this **** go away because they wanted to make up for the other horrid calls. NBA is mad at us, and it feels good for other casual fans to get a taste of what we have been dealt with.
MrDollarBills wrote:Harden needs his minutes reduced. He played nearly 40 mins last night. I think a lot of the crap we've seen on defense and his slow initiation on offense is him trying to conserve energy. Fatigue also leads to mental errors.
At this point, the Nets are going to need to learn to play for stretches without him. Put Mills in at PG, and dump the ball into LMA. Run some plays to free Cam up for a midrange jumper. anything to keep Harden around 35 mins a game and keep his legs under him in the 2nd half.
Nash's vision of offense is so trash that we don't even run basic high school/college plays that move the ball and open up shots. Sometimes I wonder if part of the reason he is a HOF PG is because of D'Antoni because I'm in awe at how inept and uninspiring his offensive philosophy is. Does he think that guys dribbling into contested shots every time down the floor is good, efficient basketball?
HardenGoat wrote:Also have to realize when you have KD in there he takes pressure off others to have to create offense. I hear criticism that this iso offense allows defenses to rest, well it also allows our offense to rest. KD also serves as a primary ball handler albeit limited, but that is still a breather for a player like Harden who basically carried the rock 80% of this game and played the highest minutes. Beal was exhausted too and played 37 minutes but they found some balance using Avdija and Kispert along with Dinwiddie. Cam played a small role, I agree he should be used more to stagger possessions in a primary scoring role, otherwise we need another player especially when Kyrie sits. Mills is more of a spot up shooter. This is what we have to live with being so top heavy. When Durant is back and Kyrie is on the floor we are a different team.