Jokic 49/14/10 as DEN beats LAC

[scrabbarista]

Personally I think Barton & Morris at least offensively are better than people give credit for. I will have to say that Aaron Gordon is overrated personally. Jeff Green has been having a good season.

He's nowhere close to an All Star but Aaron Gordon may be having his best season as a pro (at least scoring wise). He's been forced into the number two option role and is knocking it out of the park. Especially the past few games.

It probably helps knowing he'll get like three free dunks every night just by cutting to the basket because Jokic will keep finding him.

Anyway, he's definitely the Nuggs' second-most valuable player so far this season.

[scrabbarista]

There are arguments for more accomplished play-off performers like Giannis, LeBron, KD and Curry but just looking at current performance then yes Jokic is currently the best player in the league by just about any measure.

Agree. I ranked him #2 in the league behind Antetokounmpo in the preseason. That's probably still where I'd put him, but I voted "I don't know" out of respect for the incredible season he's having.

[ty 4191]

Ok I looked it up, Harden has 5, Westbrook has 3, Elgin and Wilt have 2, Kareem and Richie Guerin (who!?) have 1.

There have been around 67,000 games played in NBA History, including the playoffs.

49/14/10/3 has only happened 4 times.

--Bird (3/15/1992)
--Westbrook (3/4/2015)
--Durant (6/15/2021)
--Jokic (1/19/2022)

[KGtabake]

Appreciate the best big since Shaq.

Since the beginning of last season (Jokic 2.0) he has proven more skilled and more valuable than Shaq ever was. Shaq couldn't shoot anything like this or pass anything like this.

And, this season is no fluke. His last 120 games, since the beginning of last season, including the 2021 playoffs, Jokic is averaging 27.4/12.1/6.9/1.1 on .831 FT%, .377 3P% on +7.5 rTS% (.641 TS%).

Consider: The only player in NBA history the only player to average 27/12/7 for any single season was Oscar Robertson in 1961-1962, when there were (an all time record) 128 possessions per game. The last two years the NBA has averaged only 102 possessions per game. Jokic has kept up this ridiculous pace and efficiency for a season and a half!!

He also has the highest PER in NBA history this season.

Jokic is the best center since Kareem Abdul Jabaar.

You need to pump the brakes a bit.
He's my favourite player atm but until he goes all the way, you can't crown him.
Stats in RS are nice but as Giannis can tell you(the PER record holder all time) they don't weigh at all in the end.
Jokic has to get it done like giannis and shaq etc before we get him in the same sentence with Kareem.
I believe he can do it, all he needs is a bit of luck from now and on.

[Eyeamok]

Read on Twitter

?s=20 Goat pass holy **** ty

Damn I am a 76ers fan and Embiid is the man. But that pass right there... is a pass Embiid is not going to make, he does not have that kind of vision.

[ty 4191]

You need to pump the brakes a bit.
He's my favourite player atm but until he goes all the way, you can't crown him.
Stats in RS are nice but as Giannis can tell you(the PER record holder all time) they don't weigh at all in the end.
Jokic has to get it done like giannis and shaq etc before we get him in the same sentence with Kareem.
I believe he can do it, all he needs is a bit of luck from now and on.

So, until his team wins a championship we can't call him an all time great player? That's a ridiculous, facile argument.

Would you have said in 1966 that Wilt Chamberlain wasn't an all time great player to that point?

Would you say that Elgin Baylor isn't an all time great player?

[bebopdeluxe]

Jokic played FORTY ONE MINUTES

Embiid played TWENTY SEVEN MINUTES.

Again, Embiid got 50 and 12 (and 3 blocks) in TWENTY SEVEN MINUTES.

Hell, If Embiid played 41 minutes last night he would have probably put up 70 and 20 the way he was rolling...and that is NOT hyperbole.

[KGtabake]

You need to pump the brakes a bit.
He's my favourite player atm but until he goes all the way, you can't crown him.
Stats in RS are nice but as Giannis can tell you(the PER record holder all time) they don't weigh at all in the end.
Jokic has to get it done like giannis and shaq etc before we get him in the same sentence with Kareem.
I believe he can do it, all he needs is a bit of luck from now and on.

So, until his team wins a championship we can't call him an all time great player? That's a ridiculous, facile argument.

Would you have said in 1966 that Wilt Chamberlain wasn't an all time great player to that point?

Would you say that Elgin Baylor isn't an all time great player?

Mate i was battling for Jokic as an MVP in the '19 MVP thread on this board.
I know very well his worth.
Calling him an all timer is one thing and it's right.
Calling him the best big since Kareem is another thing and it's pretty immature.

[ty 4191]

Calling him the best big since Kareem is another thing and it's pretty immature.

Immature?

Who's been better since Kareem as a center than Jokic? Who's been more skilled, all around? Who's been more statistically valuable at his best?

[KGtabake]

Calling him the best big since Kareem is another thing and it's pretty immature.

Immature?

Who's been better since Kareem as a center than Jokic? Who's been more skilled, all around? Who's been more statistically valuable at his best?

Shaq. He didn't win 3 consecutive finals MVPs for nothing. His RS+playoffs runs from '00-'02 is one of the 3-4 highest peaks ever.

[ty 4191]

Calling him the best big since Kareem is another thing and it's pretty immature.

Immature?

Who's been better since Kareem as a center than Jokic? Who's been more skilled, all around? Who's been more statistically valuable at his best?

Shaq. He didn't win 3 consecutive finals MVPs for nothing. His RS+playoffs runs from '00-'02 is one of the 3-4 highest peaks ever.

So, "chips" is the argument. Typical.

Ipso facto, Wilt Chamberlain wasn't one of the top few players in NBA history through 1965-1966?

[The Rebel]

No. Jokic is really good but he let Zubac go off for like 32/34 points or so.

He’s a top 5 player but Giannis, Durant, LeBron (when he wants), Curry aren’t as much of a liability on defense.

he literally carried the team They need another defender other than aaron gordon who is useless on that end.

Carried them on offense. His defense is far from being MVP level. Just like what they say about Rudy I don’t trust his defense if he want to call him #1.

You do realize that Jokic switches on the pick and roll and that just about all the points Zubac scored is the responsibility of the forwards don't you? If you are going to criticize someone's defense, you should learn about how the defense he plays on works or you just look and sound ignorant.

[ty 4191]

Shaq. He didn't win 3 consecutive finals MVPs for nothing. His RS+playoffs runs from '00-'02 is one of the 3-4 highest peaks ever.

Unless you're Jerry West in 1969, you can't win Finals MVP's without being lucky enough to also have the best teammates around you.

That's luck, not skill or value.

[The Rebel]

Can't be best player without ever making real noise in the playoffs.

Like making the Conference Finals? That kind of noise?

Go back on this forum to that run. Everyone was saying Murray was the better player at the time especially during the jazz series. Evidence is right in the search function. Jokic has shown nothing in terms of raising the teams ceiling with a average or below avg team.
Unlike other top players like LeBron KD

Murray had some flashy stats in the Jazz series, but at the end of the playoffs Jokic still had the better stats and the savior of the Jazz series was Gary Harris (on defense) and Nikola Jokic who dominated the 7th game.

[The Rebel]

Jokic played FORTY ONE MINUTES

Embiid played TWENTY SEVEN MINUTES.

Again, Embiid got 50 and 12 (and 3 blocks) in TWENTY SEVEN MINUTES.

Hell, If Embiid played 41 minutes last night he would have probably put up 70 and 20 the way he was rolling...and that is NOT hyperbole.

Jokic did something only 2 other centers in history have ever done, many more have put up 50 point games.

[Tor_Raps]

Can someone tell me how people think Steph Curry is better than this guy?

[Ballerhogger]

Jokic played FORTY ONE MINUTES

Embiid played TWENTY SEVEN MINUTES.

Again, Embiid got 50 and 12 (and 3 blocks) in TWENTY SEVEN MINUTES.

Hell, If Embiid played 41 minutes last night he would have probably put up 70 and 20 the way he was rolling...and that is NOT hyperbole.

he played the magic...
Nuggets played a playoff team

[Cubbies2120]

Jokic played FORTY ONE MINUTES

Embiid played TWENTY SEVEN MINUTES.

Again, Embiid got 50 and 12 (and 3 blocks) in TWENTY SEVEN MINUTES.

Hell, If Embiid played 41 minutes last night he would have probably put up 70 and 20 the way he was rolling...and that is NOT hyperbole.

Yeah Embiid all of a sudden can play 40+ mins without a drop in his efficiency.

He destroyed Mo Bamba though. Reminds me of when Jokic put up 25/6/6 in 15 minutes before getting injured against the reigning DPOY this year, not a guy whose team defensive rating is better with him sitting. Now if he had just not gotten injured, he woulda played 45 mins and had 75/18/18!

[Cubbies2120]

Jokic played FORTY ONE MINUTES

Embiid played TWENTY SEVEN MINUTES.

Again, Embiid got 50 and 12 (and 3 blocks) in TWENTY SEVEN MINUTES.

Hell, If Embiid played 41 minutes last night he would have probably put up 70 and 20 the way he was rolling...and that is NOT hyperbole.

he played the magic...
Nuggets played a playoff team

Not just that, but he played against Mo Bamba. The guy whose team plays better defensively when he sits.

[KGtabake]

Immature?

Who's been better since Kareem as a center than Jokic? Who's been more skilled, all around? Who's been more statistically valuable at his best?

Shaq. He didn't win 3 consecutive finals MVPs for nothing. His RS+playoffs runs from '00-'02 is one of the 3-4 highest peaks ever.

So, "chips" is the argument. Typical.

Ipso facto, Wilt Chamberlain wasn't one of the top few players in NBA history through 1965-1966?

You play to win the game mate.
Nobody plays just to play.

And no, rings aren't the only argument.
His entire playoffs runs during the time can't be undervalued because you don't like the argument.

Secondy.The Hack a Shaq was a tactic created to stop Shaq.
Just like the Jordan Rules.
And the Giannis Wall.
Players of this caliber can do that to a whole league.

Jokic isn't there yet. He can go tho.
Don't speak to me like i discredit him.
I am rooting for him for years.