Tank World Order (7.0)

[LBJKB24MJ23]

Sell high.

Totally on board. I’d even be on board with packaging him for Simmons. I was legit looking at Brunson today going….’I actually don’t think Fred is better’.

Wow. And this is why you don't use one game to judge a player. Brunson had little to do with FVV's shooting struggles tonight. He contested maybe 5 FVV shots all game (and-1 and made three plus a few misses) and forced one of FVV's 3 turnovers (a fast break pass that was deflected). FVV had about 10 open threes and a few wide open midrange jumpers tonight. He went 3/14 on those looks when he typically converts those looks at a 45% clip (or about 6/14). It was just a bad shooting night for FVV. That's it.

ya that was bad - good thing its only one poster who thinks or said it.

[LBJKB24MJ23]

https://www.thestar.com/amp/sports/raptors/opinion/2022/01/18/raptors-are-right-where-they-dont-want-to-be-stuck-in-the-nbas-mushy-middle.html

The thing is, coming out a rebuild/retool, there will always be a season or two where we are 45 win team / 1st round exits, which is mushy middle but with (player development) momentum to the upside (towards championship contention). So it's ok, but I think for our roster, we need a bit more young talent from this upcoming draft, then next season we go compete year-in-year-out with our base of young talents.

ya i think we're just being impatient.

What did you think of my idea of getting Levert and Turner. but not trading any of the core pieces - if that was a trade that could work out for us? is that too short sighted of a move because Turner could be an unrestricted free agent at the cost of 2 FRPs?

If the general idea is to resign Turner, i think GTJ is good as gone because FVV is probably the guy you want to keep on his next contract, maybe. move OG to the SG position as well if that is the case.

[GreatWhiteStiff]

https://www.thestar.com/amp/sports/raptors/opinion/2022/01/18/raptors-are-right-where-they-dont-want-to-be-stuck-in-the-nbas-mushy-middle.html

The play in for what comment was more about hosting playoff games in Tampa where you get zero revenue.

Other than that, the article is pretty good. Although I guess Dave forgets that you're not necessarily a treadmill team when you have the youngest team in the NBA.

I like his points about all the players in our core showing development and our bench being 30th in the NBA. All of that is true.

I also like his point about getting some help before the deadline. I'd love a Miles Turner or Eric Gordon as long as it doesn't require Gary Trent

No it wasn't has nothing to do with Tampa he literally said "play in for what", not play in for what in Tampa. He doesn't give two **** about the play in game. Masai does not want to be in the play in game. its a waste from his perspective.

Watch on YouTube

I think he's saying the playin pales in comparison to a championship. Playin victories are like a championship of sorts for the Treadmill World Order, base satisfaction with mediocrity division, however. But, ultimately, if it come down to the end of the season, and we're trying to get in the playin or get home court or the free playin win, those games will matter to nurse and they players. Masai, too probably, or would we be playing our starters so much?

I think people are way too inclined to believe that reaching the playoffs (or playin), is irrelevant, because it sort of doesn't matter in terms of winning a championship years from now. This year they're trying to win all the games they can, in the now, and compete for the playin or a higher seed if possible.

[LoveMyRaps]

As if this thread couldn't get any better, you now have some posters advocating trading Fred.

Definitely lives up to their nickname, Treadmill World Order. Let's just trade all our good players entering their prime. Great idea guys.

Fred Vanvleet for DeJounte Murray +

Yezzzzirr

[LBJKB24MJ23]

As if this thread couldn't get any better, you now have some posters advocating trading Fred.

Definitely lives up to their nickname, Treadmill World Order. Let's just trade all our good players entering their prime. Great idea guys.

Fred Vanvleet for DeJounte Murray +

Yezzzzirr

here's the thing:

a point guard that is 6'4" pg - that averages 19.2 ppg, 8.9 apg, 8.4 rpg? sign me up
he is wildly inefficient with a TS% of 50.7% (this is like terrible terrible, not just 1xterrible) and shoots 32.6% from 3? no way

he's 3 years younger than FVV though


SA is on a youth movement as well, so this is a no go.

[Johnny Bball]

The play in for what comment was more about hosting playoff games in Tampa where you get zero revenue.

Other than that, the article is pretty good. Although I guess Dave forgets that you're not necessarily a treadmill team when you have the youngest team in the NBA.

I like his points about all the players in our core showing development and our bench being 30th in the NBA. All of that is true.

I also like his point about getting some help before the deadline. I'd love a Miles Turner or Eric Gordon as long as it doesn't require Gary Trent

No it wasn't has nothing to do with Tampa he literally said "play in for what", not play in for what in Tampa. He doesn't give two **** about the play in game. Masai does not want to be in the play in game. its a waste from his perspective.

Watch on YouTube

I think he's saying the playin pales in comparison to a championship. Playin victories are like a championship of sorts for the Treadmill World Order, base satisfaction with mediocrity division, however. But, ultimately, if it come down to the end of the season, and we're trying to get in the playin or get home court or the free playin win, those games will matter to nurse and they players. Masai, too probably, or would we be playing our starters so much?

I think people are way too inclined to believe that reaching the playoffs (or playin), is irrelevant, because it sort of doesn't matter in terms of winning a championship years from now. This year they're trying to win all the games they can, in the now, and compete for the playin or a higher seed if possible.

People that think Ujiri would wait for 55 wins and 4th place are mistaken. And taking that quote and trying to apply it to every season... well, kind of dumb. The play-in was supposed to be one year and the NBA extended it. I think they've determined this team has plenty of future upside, and is really young. They are going to try and compete. But some of us knew that 3-4 weeks ago now.

Tanking the season isn't going to help Barnes, or anyone else. And the best example to show that is Trent and his defence. He doesn't and didn't put out that effort when we are tanking in any way.

The only way it doesn't happen this season ending injuries, or someone blows them away with an offer for Siakam.

But they can keep pretending its going to happen and cheer for that treadmill 12th pick! How mediocre of a goal.

[Tacoma]

The play in for what comment was more about hosting playoff games in Tampa where you get zero revenue.

Other than that, the article is pretty good. Although I guess Dave forgets that you're not necessarily a treadmill team when you have the youngest team in the NBA.

I like his points about all the players in our core showing development and our bench being 30th in the NBA. All of that is true.

I also like his point about getting some help before the deadline. I'd love a Miles Turner or Eric Gordon as long as it doesn't require Gary Trent

No it wasn't has nothing to do with Tampa he literally said "play in for what", not play in for what in Tampa. He doesn't give two **** about the play in game. Masai does not want to be in the play in game. its a waste from his perspective.

Watch on YouTube

I think he's saying the playin pales in comparison to a championship. Playin victories are like a championship of sorts for the Treadmill World Order, base satisfaction with mediocrity division, however. But, ultimately, if it come down to the end of the season, and we're trying to get in the playin or get home court or the free playin win, those games will matter to nurse and they players. Masai, too probably, or would we be playing our starters so much?

I think people are way too inclined to believe that reaching the playoffs (or playin), is irrelevant, because it sort of doesn't matter in terms of winning a championship years from now. This year they're trying to win all the games they can, in the now, and compete for the playin or a higher seed if possible.

I think you're misinterpreting what he said. Here's what Masai said in that video:

"You want to prepare yourselves to win another one. Not playing the Play-in game, not playing the playoffs, you want to win a Championship. Everybody's like why don't you get into the Play-in. Play-in for what? We want to win a Championship here and we have to put ourselves in position."

It's hard to misinterpret that - clearly he doesn't care about making the play-in nor the playoffs if we're not Championship contenders. This is consistent with what he has said in the past and he thinks playoffs IS irrelevant unless you're in it to win it (the Championship) and we're not at that point yet.

[DelAbbot]

https://www.thestar.com/amp/sports/raptors/opinion/2022/01/18/raptors-are-right-where-they-dont-want-to-be-stuck-in-the-nbas-mushy-middle.html

The thing is, coming out a rebuild/retool, there will always be a season or two where we are 45 win team / 1st round exits, which is mushy middle but with (player development) momentum to the upside (towards championship contention). So it's ok, but I think for our roster, we need a bit more young talent from this upcoming draft, then next season we go compete year-in-year-out with our base of young talents.

ya i think we're just being impatient.

What did you think of my idea of getting Levert and Turner. but not trading any of the core pieces - if that was a trade that could work out for us? is that too short sighted of a move because Turner could be an unrestricted free agent at the cost of 2 FRPs?

If the general idea is to resign Turner, i think GTJ is good as gone because FVV is probably the guy you want to keep on his next contract, maybe. move OG to the SG position as well if that is the case.

Our team salary would go into the tax if we get Turner and Levert, and keep FVV (not to mention GTJ. Let's see what Masai does at the trade deadline Feb 10.

[DelAbbot]

Tank World Order
Treadmill World Order
Team Masai
Team Mediocre/Treadmill
Team Positive/Negative

[Yeezus_]

No it wasn't has nothing to do with Tampa he literally said "play in for what", not play in for what in Tampa. He doesn't give two **** about the play in game. Masai does not want to be in the play in game. its a waste from his perspective.

Watch on YouTube

I think he's saying the playin pales in comparison to a championship. Playin victories are like a championship of sorts for the Treadmill World Order, base satisfaction with mediocrity division, however. But, ultimately, if it come down to the end of the season, and we're trying to get in the playin or get home court or the free playin win, those games will matter to nurse and they players. Masai, too probably, or would we be playing our starters so much?

I think people are way too inclined to believe that reaching the playoffs (or playin), is irrelevant, because it sort of doesn't matter in terms of winning a championship years from now. This year they're trying to win all the games they can, in the now, and compete for the playin or a higher seed if possible.

I think you're misinterpreting what he said. Here's what Masai said in that video:

"You want to prepare yourselves to win another one. Not playing the Play-in game, not playing the playoffs, you want to win a Championship. Everybody's like why don't you get into the Play-in. Play-in for what? We want to win a Championship here and we have to put ourselves in position."

It's hard to misinterpret that - clearly he doesn't care about making the play-in nor the playoffs if we're not Championship contenders. This is consistent with what he has said in the past and he thinks playoffs IS irrelevant unless you're in it to win it (the Championship) and we're not at that point yet.

I highly doubt Masai thought we were going to win a championship in 2014 and 2015 when we made the playoffs.

[LBJKB24MJ23]

The thing is, coming out a rebuild/retool, there will always be a season or two where we are 45 win team / 1st round exits, which is mushy middle but with (player development) momentum to the upside (towards championship contention). So it's ok, but I think for our roster, we need a bit more young talent from this upcoming draft, then next season we go compete year-in-year-out with our base of young talents.

ya i think we're just being impatient.

What did you think of my idea of getting Levert and Turner. but not trading any of the core pieces - if that was a trade that could work out for us? is that too short sighted of a move because Turner could be an unrestricted free agent at the cost of 2 FRPs?

If the general idea is to resign Turner, i think GTJ is good as gone because FVV is probably the guy you want to keep on his next contract, maybe. move OG to the SG position as well if that is the case.

Our team salary would go into the tax if we get Turner and Levert, and keep FVV (not to mention GTJ. Let's see what Masai does at the trade deadline Feb 10.

by the time we resign FVV - we should be a contender maybe? if not - we shouldn't re-sign FVV.

[GreatWhiteStiff]

Tank World Order
Treadmill World Order
Team Masai
Team Mediocre/Treadmill
Team Positive/Negative

Team Compete
Team Organic Growth
Team FUN!
Team Winning Culture

[Los_29]

The play in for what comment was more about hosting playoff games in Tampa where you get zero revenue.

Other than that, the article is pretty good. Although I guess Dave forgets that you're not necessarily a treadmill team when you have the youngest team in the NBA.

I like his points about all the players in our core showing development and our bench being 30th in the NBA. All of that is true.

I also like his point about getting some help before the deadline. I'd love a Miles Turner or Eric Gordon as long as it doesn't require Gary Trent

No it wasn't has nothing to do with Tampa he literally said "play in for what", not play in for what in Tampa. He doesn't give two **** about the play in game. Masai does not want to be in the play in game. its a waste from his perspective.

Watch on YouTube

I think he's saying the playin pales in comparison to a championship. Playin victories are like a championship of sorts for the Treadmill World Order, base satisfaction with mediocrity division, however. But, ultimately, if it come down to the end of the season, and we're trying to get in the playin or get home court or the free playin win, those games will matter to nurse and they players. Masai, too probably, or would we be playing our starters so much?

I think people are way too inclined to believe that reaching the playoffs (or playin), is irrelevant, because it sort of doesn't matter in terms of winning a championship years from now. This year they're trying to win all the games they can, in the now, and compete for the playin or a higher seed if possible.

A starting lineup of Demar/Kyle/Ross/JV/Amir is exactly the championship roster Masai envisioned in 2014 and 2015 when they made the playoffs.

[Madhouse]

Why do some poster keep putting words in Masai's mouth? When Masai said playin for what, he did not refer to Tampa season only.

yeah, Masai only wants to make the playoffs with teams that have realistic hopes.

[Los_29]

Why do some poster keep putting words in Masai's mouth? When Masai said playin for what, he did not refer to Tampa season only.

yeah, Masai only wants to make the playoffs with teams that have realistic hopes.

This is just not true.

No one thought his Denver teams had a chance to win the championship. No one thought the 2014-2016 Raptors had a chance to win the championship. No one thought the 2019-20 Raptors had a chance.

[GreatWhiteStiff]

Why do some poster keep putting words in Masai's mouth? When Masai said playin for what, he did not refer to Tampa season only.

yeah, Masai only wants to make the playoffs with teams that have realistic hopes.

[TRik]

did someone actually say Brunson is better than FVV? Did this actually happen?

Oh it definitely happened. This thread continues to provide endless amounts of entertainment.

Lol. Hilarious. I observed while watching the game that Fred might not be better. That’s no crazy hot take like some want to act. Brunson was a unanimous national college player of the year and won two championships at Villanova. He’s slightly bigger, slightly quicker, and just as smart of a player while being three years younger. He’s a starter on a better team and plays with a legit star that takes the shots. I guarantee that Fred would not be heaving like he does with us if he played for Dallas and his assist numbers would be super low because of low usage. We’d think he was some average small guard. Feel free to argue otherwise though, that Fred would get the same amount of shots playing with Luka.

Fred’s stats benefit hugely right now because we don’t have a true star demanding the ball. I have no doubt that Brunson would look great playing for the Raptors as well in this situation, and that loads of us would think he was a star because his numbers would also be highly inflated.

So yeah… I observed that Fred might not be better during yesterday’s game.

Craaaazy.

[Bruin]

Huge news. Sucks we won’t have a shot at him at this point. He’d be amazing next to Scottie

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[720]

Huge news. Sucks we won’t have a shot at him at this point. He’d be amazing next to Scottie

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HOLY!!!

This will move every top prospect down a notch (Except, the very top). Good for us.

[DelAbbot]

Huge news. Sucks we won’t have a shot at him at this point. He’d be amazing next to Scottie

Spoiler:

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HOLY!!!

This will move every top prospect down a notch (Except, the very top). Good for us.

How is he eligible for 2022 draft? That's straight out of HS no?