Embiid is the Best Big man in the Game

[Gasolina]

This is a lot of gibberish, he leads the NBA in clutch scoring this year, your indisputable point isn't backed by any stats this season. It's like you can't understand that removing Simmons from the court has improved the floor balance for the Sixers and made it harder to key in on Embiid late because Simmons and his defender aren't hanging out in the dunkers spot.

Embiid leads the NBA in clutch points, dispute that.

Hey, if he's able to maintain that in the postseason then I will come back and gladly admit he has made it a conversation again. I'm not weighing the less than half a season of play we've seen this year from him heavier than the 4 postseason runs we've seen him in. So if your argument is strictly that he has overcome these limitations this year, my response is - we'll see!

He leads even after missing 11 games, what happened in the past with Simmons isn't relevant to the spacing he has this year.

Okay, man. That's wonderful. Let's see if he can do it in the postseason - shouldn't be an issue for him, right?

[bebopdeluxe]

Because Embiid is a bad playmaker who also can’t self-create in late game situations. His handle is far worse than Jokic’s and he doesn’t have nearly the passing or court vision that Jokic does. He’s very far from the complete package and we have seen him struggle to create in every late game playoff situation he has been in.

More than anything the Sixers loss to the Hawks was on Embiid’s limitations, not Simmons’.

Lol Joel averaged 30 and 12 vs the Hawks but you’re saying they lost due to his limitations? Get real, they lost because they had a Point Guard who can’t make a FT and can’t shoot a lick.

Also Embiid is 1st in the league in clutch points, and the fact you don’t think Embiid can handle shows everybody here that you don’t watch him play. His handles are absolutely ELITE for the Center position.

Joel has a win% of 70% Jokic is 58%. Joel’s impact is higher on both ends.

I didn't say Embiid can't handle the ball. I said his handle is far worse than Jokic's, which is true. He obviously has a far better handle than bigs like Gobert, Vuc, etc.

And yes, averaging 30 and 12 doesn't make up for his failings in crucial moments. Game 4 - whose fault was that loss? Could it have been Embiid not scoring at all in the second half? How about Embiid having 33 turnovers for the entire series? More than twice as much the actual primary ball handler on his team and 8 more than Trae Young?

Embiid is a great player. Embiid also has limitations. Only the biggest homers can't see that when we have 4 postseason runs worth of corroborating evidence at this point.

HE. HAD. A. TORN. MENISCUS.

[bebopdeluxe]

Can't Embiid be a MVP level player without him needing to be seen as better than Jokic?

He believes he's the best player in the NBA.

I agree with him.

[Gasolina]

Lol Joel averaged 30 and 12 vs the Hawks but you’re saying they lost due to his limitations? Get real, they lost because they had a Point Guard who can’t make a FT and can’t shoot a lick.

Also Embiid is 1st in the league in clutch points, and the fact you don’t think Embiid can handle shows everybody here that you don’t watch him play. His handles are absolutely ELITE for the Center position.

Joel has a win% of 70% Jokic is 58%. Joel’s impact is higher on both ends.

I didn't say Embiid can't handle the ball. I said his handle is far worse than Jokic's, which is true. He obviously has a far better handle than bigs like Gobert, Vuc, etc.

And yes, averaging 30 and 12 doesn't make up for his failings in crucial moments. Game 4 - whose fault was that loss? Could it have been Embiid not scoring at all in the second half? How about Embiid having 33 turnovers for the entire series? More than twice as much the actual primary ball handler on his team and 8 more than Trae Young?

Embiid is a great player. Embiid also has limitations. Only the biggest homers can't see that when we have 4 postseason runs worth of corroborating evidence at this point.

HE. HAD. A. TORN. MENISCUS.

I genuinely don't believe that. It's always some excuse with him. Funny how he didn't need surgery for it but needed it for the same injury in 2017. Really makes you think.

[bebopdeluxe]

Hey, if he's able to maintain that in the postseason then I will come back and gladly admit he has made it a conversation again. I'm not weighing the less than half a season of play we've seen this year from him heavier than the 4 postseason runs we've seen him in. So if your argument is strictly that he has overcome these limitations this year, my response is - we'll see!

He leads even after missing 11 games, what happened in the past with Simmons isn't relevant to the spacing he has this year.

Okay, man. That's wonderful. Let's see if he can do it in the postseason - shouldn't be an issue for him, right?

This is the go-to move of Jokic fans.

Jokic fan: My guy's clutch play late makes him better than Embiid.

Embiid fan: My guy didn't need to be clutch - a 50-burger in TWENTY SEVEN minutes, you know.

Jokic fan: Yeah, but my guy is better in the clutch than Embiid, so there.

Embiid fan: Embiid has scored the most clutch points in the NBA this season (despite missing 11 games).

Jokic fan: Yeah, well...ummm...we'll see if he keeps doing it. Jokic is still better in the clutch because JOKIC YAY JOKIC!

Embiid fan: Whatever, bro.

[Gasolina]

He leads even after missing 11 games, what happened in the past with Simmons isn't relevant to the spacing he has this year.

Okay, man. That's wonderful. Let's see if he can do it in the postseason - shouldn't be an issue for him, right?

This is the go-to move of Jokic fans.

Jokic fan: My guy's clutch play late makes him better than Embiid.

Embiid fan: My guy didn't need to be clutch - a 50-burger in TWENTY SEVEN minutes, you know.

Jokic fan: Yeah, but my guy is better in the clutch than Embiid, so there.

Embiid fan: Embiid has scored the most clutch points in the NBA this season (despite missing 11 games).

Jokic fan: Yeah, well...ummm...we'll see if he keeps doing it. Jokic is still better in the clutch because JOKIC YAY JOKIC!

Embiid fan: Whatever, bro.

What part about clutch time in the playoffs do you not understand? Are you being wilfully ignorant on that point?

[bebopdeluxe]

I didn't say Embiid can't handle the ball. I said his handle is far worse than Jokic's, which is true. He obviously has a far better handle than bigs like Gobert, Vuc, etc.

And yes, averaging 30 and 12 doesn't make up for his failings in crucial moments. Game 4 - whose fault was that loss? Could it have been Embiid not scoring at all in the second half? How about Embiid having 33 turnovers for the entire series? More than twice as much the actual primary ball handler on his team and 8 more than Trae Young?

Embiid is a great player. Embiid also has limitations. Only the biggest homers can't see that when we have 4 postseason runs worth of corroborating evidence at this point.

HE. HAD. A. TORN. MENISCUS.

I genuinely don't believe that. It's always some excuse with him. Funny how he didn't need surgery for it but needed it for the same injury in 2017. Really makes you think.

So, you believe that Embiid LIED about his injury? So, this report is a LIE?

https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/wizards/joel-embiids-injury-opens-door-wizards-playoff-series-how-wide

[bebopdeluxe]

Okay, man. That's wonderful. Let's see if he can do it in the postseason - shouldn't be an issue for him, right?

This is the go-to move of Jokic fans.

Jokic fan: My guy's clutch play late makes him better than Embiid.

Embiid fan: My guy didn't need to be clutch - a 50-burger in TWENTY SEVEN minutes, you know.

Jokic fan: Yeah, but my guy is better in the clutch than Embiid, so there.

Embiid fan: Embiid has scored the most clutch points in the NBA this season (despite missing 11 games).

Jokic fan: Yeah, well...ummm...we'll see if he keeps doing it. Jokic is still better in the clutch because JOKIC YAY JOKIC!

Embiid fan: Whatever, bro.

What part about clutch time in the playoffs do you not understand? Are you being wilfully ignorant on that point?

You mean like being willfully ignorant about Embiid playing through an injury that takes most players 4-6 weeks to recover from?

[Gasolina]

HE. HAD. A. TORN. MENISCUS.

I genuinely don't believe that. It's always some excuse with him. Funny how he didn't need surgery for it but needed it for the same injury in 2017. Really makes you think.

So, you believe that Embiid LIED about his injury? So, this report is a LIE?

https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/wizards/joel-embiids-injury-opens-door-wizards-playoff-series-how-wide

I think it was extremely exaggerated. That article even admits it usually takes an average of 40 days to recover from such an injury. Many times it's incapable of fully healing unless you get surgery.

I think that the tear was so small as to be insignificant and did not meaningfully affect Embiid's play. If it was serious he would have had surgery afterwards. It was as much a factor as any other niggling injury guys get as the postseason progresses. A convenient scapegoat for Philly fans, yes. A genuine, performance-changing injury? Not a chance. A minor injury did not simultaneously fail to affect Embiid averaging 30 and 12 but magically began affecting him when it was time for him to make all those awful turnovers.

[Raps in 4]

If we're talking big men (including PFs), he's in third place behind Jokic and Giannis.

[Hobo4President]

If Embiid's play has been so dominant why is he still behind Jokic and Giannis in basically every box, advanced and impact metric we have? Sounds like they've been better so far this year and Embiid stans are trying to act like a month of play is all that matters (which is very common of homers).

[rzzzzz]

Jeez Louise. Joel has got a history of injury. He also has continued to develop his game. Not at an even rate. He learned to shoot the outside shot while he was recovering from the navicular. He trained extra hard before last season, and played monstrously well when he wasn’t hurt. And he injured his meniscus in the playoffs, with yet another awkward landing. This year he got kicked in the leg the first game against Washington, and the covid hit him hard. But in the last 6 weeks, he’s become scarey good. Like, you really got to think hard about who has ever played this good. How long can it last? Can he get even better? As a Sixer fan I’m going to enjoy it while I can. Sit back and watch all of Hinkie’s rehab management and ambition with this player come into its own. Trust the process. (Just mix in a little Maxey magic, and Morey, give us the best deal you can make before the deadline.)

[eyeatoma]

I didn't say Embiid can't handle the ball. I said his handle is far worse than Jokic's, which is true. He obviously has a far better handle than bigs like Gobert, Vuc, etc.

And yes, averaging 30 and 12 doesn't make up for his failings in crucial moments. Game 4 - whose fault was that loss? Could it have been Embiid not scoring at all in the second half? How about Embiid having 33 turnovers for the entire series? More than twice as much the actual primary ball handler on his team and 8 more than Trae Young?

Embiid is a great player. Embiid also has limitations. Only the biggest homers can't see that when we have 4 postseason runs worth of corroborating evidence at this point.

HE. HAD. A. TORN. MENISCUS.

I genuinely don't believe that. It's always some excuse with him. Funny how he didn't need surgery for it but needed it for the same injury in 2017. Really makes you think.

LMAO!

How does it make you think? You realize there are varying degrees for meniscus tears right? Most players have them and they're not even detected. Give me some of what you're smoking lol.

[Lalouie]

not even.

i think a great passing center is IMMENSELY important. ironically, it is a rare quality and it should be a required skill more than the 3. every aspect of the half court game is enhanced with a great passing center. and of course there's the outlet

jokic

and then there's giannis who has the hardware that defines being great, so in that respect let's talk when jokic and embiid actually take their team somewhere. it IS about the w's and the ring isn't it or what?

[Hussien Fatal]

Clearly Joel is the best, no center comes close when it comes to playing both sides of the ball at an elite level. Joel to me is better than Giannis because he is the much better shooter from everywhere on the floor.

[CobraCommander]

Jokic the best but Embiid gaining ground....but to be the best you gotta be better than the current mvp and Embiid isn’t...


Jokic isn’t the best big man in the league - he best man in the league and currently on planet earth....period.

[Jables]

I remember the main argument was that the Nuggets would be "D-League" without Jokic, then the Sixers went like 1-9 or 1-10 without Embiid for a while. Yes, both teams aren't bad even without Murray and Simmons, but the Sixers rely heavily on Embiid.

The NBA does not give respect to two way players anymore. Embiid has been less rewarded by the NBA than Gobert or Jokic.

[AussieBuck]

If Embiid's play has been so dominant why is he still behind Jokic and Giannis in basically every box, advanced and impact metric we have? Sounds like they've been better so far this year and Embiid stans are trying to act like a month of play is all that matters (which is very common of homers).

January:

Embiid: 32.7/10.1/4.7
Jokic: 26.4/13.8/8.2
Giannis: 31.8/10.8/7.2

Mostly because even with Embiid's crazy play lately he hasn't outdone the other guys for the month.

[Pelly24]

the crazy thing is that Jokic has yet to play in his ideal setup. When Murray and MPJ come back — if they're healthy — their team will actually be kinda deep. They've have the versatile defender/forward release valve in Aaron Gordon. They'll have a Kyrie-esque 2Guard who can play on and off ball, perfect for people like Jokic and LeBron. They'll potentially have a 17-20 ppg third option who can get hot and take over at any moment. Then the backup guards become more useful. It's a contender that just needs to get healthy.

[God Squad]

Sixers fans are way to invested in this topic, borderline obsessive.