Miami Heat Regular Season Thread 21-22 Vol. 2 - Can we get to first place?

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Sheesh....Jokic 49/14/10/3/1 on 64% FG

And embiid with 50/12 73% FG

Yet Bam fans get excited on his stats from tonight’s game lol

Heat* fans get excited. Sad to see you wanted him to do bad. Embiid is one of the 2 centers in the league better than Bam, he also gave up 32 to Bamba lmao.

[AirP.]

Sheesh....Jokic 49/14/10/3/1 on 64% FG

And embiid with 50/12 73% FG

Yet Bam fans get excited on his stats from tonight’s game lol

Heat* fans get excited. Sad to see you wanted him to do bad. Embiid is one of the 2 centers in the league better than Bam, he also gave up 32 to Bamba lmao.

I didn't want to get into an argument in the game thread but I posted Mo Bamba going off and was countered with Embiid scoring 50, my point was the point differential at center between the two, as of today Mo Bamba averages 10.4 ppg in just under 28 mpg(starter minutes), Embiid averages 28 ppg, a differential of... 17.6, last night with Embiid scoring 50 and Mo Bamba scoring 32 the difference was... 18, not much off what their normal difference is. 50 points is a ton of points, but this defense big also gave up 32 points to a guy who averages just over 10 ppg. When you expend a lot of energy as a scorer your defense usually suffers and it seems Embiid's did. Embiid and Drummond both left Bamba open from 3pt range where he's hitting .358 from there, which is also higher then D.Robinson this season.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Guys I think I figured out why no yurt tonight unless there is an issue with his own immediate reality (health, personal problem, etc)... if they want bam to easily make it into the All-Star Game, they have to feature him big time as the Lone Star with little help, bam has very little playing time

I have to say that I want bam to make the All-Star ... so spo and Company might be right

Yurt did not play tonight cause Bam and Dedmon are the two Centers operating and Spo is not going to play Yurt with Bam. Tucker is the starting 4 and Martin has been playing the majority of his minutes at the backup 4. It’s not really that hard to figure out why he’s not playing. We have the best Center depth going in the league. Now i would like to shore up the 4 spot and move Martin exclusively to the backup 3 role. Need to ship out Robinson to make this happen.

Thaddeus?

I really like the idea of Thaddeus especially since we have championship aspirations. Much like Tucker a player like Thaddeus is very underappreciated but essential on a winning team. Thad would be a perfect backup to Tucker. They do very similar things and if Tucker needed an extended rest I believe we would not miss a beat with Thad at the starting 4 spot. Many will knock Thad's three point percentage but I believe if we keep him to the corner much like Tucker's role we could get him to improve. Thad is very capable of shooting 3's and I trust we would put him in high percentage spots to improve on those career percentages.

Spurs did have interest in giving Duncan a contract in the offseason and they could use some extra shooting. Duncan Robinson for nostalgic reasons just seems meant to play for the Spurs. The trade for Thad also opens up funds for next year to start getting ready to pay for Herro, Martin, Dipo, Strus, and Vincent. I like the deal for Thad 100 and think it makes perfect sense. Some will say we could get more for Duncan but I highly doubt that.

The league for the most part I have to imagine has to think we overpaid for a one dimensional shooter much like the Wiz did with Bertans. For the Spurs it's a worthy gamble for them as they are well below the cap and end up getting a younger player who has a history as a shooter for a vet who's ready to get out of his current situation for a contender.

Here we can see Thad hitting 5 three's in this game. Pay close attention to his corner 3 point shot.

Watch on YouTube

https://heavy.com/sports/chicago-bulls/thaddeus-young-spurs-trade-sign-buyout/amp/

https://clutchpoints.com/spurs-3-reasons-san-antonio-must-sign-duncan-robinson-free-agency/amp/

https://foxsanantonio.com/amp/sports/of-course-heats-duncan-robinson-has-admiration-for-the-spurs

Future roster going into playoffs

C Bam Adebayo C Dewayne Dedmon C Omer Yurtseven C/PF Udonis Haslem
PF PJ Tucker PF Thaddeus Young PF Markieff Morris
SF Jimmy Butler SF Caleb Martin SF Sign a buyout three point shooter
SG Max Strus SG Tyler Herro SG/PG/SF Victor Oladipo
PG Kyle Lowry PG Gabe Vincent PG Kyle Guy

*If Oladipo is back to being at 100 percent you could easily put him in the starting unit and have Strus as the shooter off the bench behind Herro and Martin.

Trade to Spurs

SF Duncan Robinson
PF KZ Okpala

for

PF Thaddeus Young
Future 2nd round pick

*Trade frees up 3 million in cap space that allows us to guarantee Caleb Martin once the trade is made and also opens up an extra roster spot and enough money to sign a buyout player. Thad also expires next year freeing up Duncan's 16 million off the cap to offer extension to Herro and contract offer to Dipo.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

And embiid with 50/12 73% FG

Yet Bam fans get excited on his stats from tonight’s game lol

Heat* fans get excited. Sad to see you wanted him to do bad. Embiid is one of the 2 centers in the league better than Bam, he also gave up 32 to Bamba lmao.

I didn't want to get into an argument in the game thread but I posted Mo Bamba going off and was countered with Embiid scoring 50, my point was the point differential at center between the two, as of today Mo Bamba averages 10.4 ppg in just under 28 mpg(starter minutes), Embiid averages 28 ppg, a differential of... 17.6, last night with Embiid scoring 50 and Mo Bamba scoring 32 the difference was... 18, not much off what their normal difference is. 50 points is a ton of points, but this defense big also gave up 32 points to a guy who averages just over 10 ppg. When you expend a lot of energy as a scorer your defense usually suffers and it seems Embiid's did. Embiid and Drummond both left Bamba open from 3pt range where he's hitting .358 from there, which is also higher then D.Robinson this season.

Yep I agree, Embiid even acknowledged himself that Bamba was cooking him

[carnageta]

Embiid and Jokic are both much better than Bam offensively. I don't see why we always need to bring this up lol. It's like complaining about why Jimmy Butler can't do what Lebron James and Kevin Durant can offensively.

Bam also plays in a system and gets his points through said system, whereas Embiid and Jokic essentially ARE the system for their respective team's. Different scenarios and different skillsets.

We won. That's all that should matter lol.

[gom]

Trade to Spurs

SF Duncan Robinson
PF KZ Okpala

for

PF Thaddeus Young
Future 2nd round pick

*Trade frees up 3 million in cap space that allows us to guarantee Caleb Martin once the trade is made and also opens up an extra roster spot and enough money to sign a buyout player. Thad also expires next year freeing up Duncan's 16 million off the cap to offer extension to Herro and contract offer to Dipo.

I'm not going to comment on the trade except to say even with the current plethora of great shooting from the other guys, I'd still rather have DRob than Thaddeus Young for tactical reasons. On the subject of the contracts, however, I can make some points to consider, which perhaps explain why the Heat haven't offered Martin his deal, which is seen as such an obvious move for us.

The first question is how much is Caleb Martin worth in a vacuum, and (for you in the back of the room) I don't mean a literal vacuum like Space where all the players are worth nothing unless they are in spacesuits and, why would they be playing basketball in spacesuits, you idiot. I am speaking to everyone else actually, so just ignore the post, dumbass. Thank you.

I mean a metaphoric vacuum, like objectively, how much is a guy who has the balls to fight James Johnson worth?



Caleb is a high-energy wing player with solid numbers from beyond the arc in limited minutes and impeccable defense. He is reliable and you can count on him to leave nothing in reserve. He wants to win and is a great player for us. How much is he worth though? The best we can do is build a scale and try to guess. Here is a scale (like electromagnetic spectrum graphs), ranked by salary:

OG Anunoby: 24 yo, Toronto 16m
T.J. Warren: 28 yo, Pacers $12.7m
Joe Ingles: 33 yo, Jazz, $12.4m
DJJ: 24 yo, Bulls, $9.7m
Jae Crowder: 31 yo, Suns, $9.7m
O’Neale: 28 yo, Jazz, $8.8m
Cam Johnson: 25 yo, Suns, $4.4m
Winslow: 25 yo, Clippers, $3.9m

I left out rookie contracts, because they distort real value. One example:

Hunter: 23 yo (rookie deal), Hawks, $7.8m

I think we all agree that Hunter and guys like Miles Bridges are worth more than what they make and will get much more when they negotiate their next deals.

Hold on, though, Anunoby is a starter. A healthy Warren is too. Crowder too. And Johnson. Hmmm... Maybe that's the first question. Is Caleb a starting NBA player or a solid sub? I'm also going to say somewhere in the middle, which is about what I'd offer: $10m per season, about the same as Richardson or Winslow a few seasons ago. Pushing it to $12m is not unreasonable. I'd expect a team that needs him (there are plenty if he plays like he has been for us) would pay even a little more.

It's not like his ability is a secret anymore:

https://www.si.com/nba/heat/miami-news/miami-heat-caleb-martin-continues-improvement

How dumb does this look now?

https://www.nba.com/hornets/hornets-waive-caleb-martin

Why does it matter what other teams can pay? The Heat control him, right? Read on.

First off, it's important to analyze our rights to the player.

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q83

Any Two-Way contract can be converted to a standard NBA contract at the team’s option. A Two-Way contract can be converted from the start of the July Moratorium through the day of the team’s last regular season game in the last year of the Two-Way contract. Once converted, the contract becomes a standard NBA contract that is in effect for the remainder of the term of the Two-Way contract. The player’s salary becomes the NBA minimum salary based on his years of service (pro-rated based on when the contract is converted). If the contract contains an Exhibit 10 bonus, the bonus amount converts to a salary guarantee.

In lieu of converting a Two-Way contract to a standard NBA contract, teams and players are also free to negotiate and sign a standard NBA contract. If a new NBA contract is signed, the Two-Way contract becomes null and void.

Two more important detail to remember:

Bird rights accrue for a player signed to a Two-Way contract the same as for a player signed to a standard NBA contract.

In order to make their free agent a restricted free agent, a team must submit a qualifying offer to the player between the day following the last game of the NBA Finals and June 29. The qualifying offer is a standing offer for a one-year guaranteed contract, which becomes a regular contact if the player decides to sign it. This ensures that the team does not gain the right of first refusal without offering a contract themselves. The amount of the qualifying offer depends on the situation:

<snip rookie deal part>

For players coming off Two-Way contracts where the player is no longer eligible to sign another Two-Way contract, the qualifying offer is a standard NBA contract with the minimum salary based on years of service, with at least the Two-Way G-League amount guaranteed.

Ok? How much is that? Martin is in his 3rd season. Easy: $1,737,145 per season.
http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q22
Plus $100,000 more of course, so 1.8m.

How much can other teams offer? Well... Let's say a team has $15m cap space. They could offer 4/60 but structure the deal to fit him into their mid-level exception and put the bulk of the salary on the backend. This should sound awfully familiar. It was exactly what the Nets did with Tyler Johnson.

Essentially, we would be looking at something like: $10, $11, 19, 20. Ugh. That's a solid deal for Caleb, but we'll have to trade him with a pick later, unless he becomes a much bigger part of the team.

The better option, in my opinion, is to renounce his rights and just hand him the mid-level exception for 3 seasons. That starts at about $10m per season, averages out to 3/35 and if he bursts a seam in the NBA bubble (so to speak), the Heat can offer him the max in 3 years. He would be almost 30 though. If we do this, there really is no point in converting his deal to a minimum veteran deal (aka standard nba contract). You can't get his bird rights without 3 seasons anyhow, just early bird, and then you have to deal with the Arenas Provision I described above.

tl/dr: There is a good reason why the Heat aren't changing Caleb's deal to a "standard nba contract"

edit:

airp is right that the nba is not allowing 2-way players in the playoffs this season.

https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/barry-jackson/article256136087.html

[Heat_Down_Under]

Heat* fans get excited. Sad to see you wanted him to do bad. Embiid is one of the 2 centers in the league better than Bam, he also gave up 32 to Bamba lmao.

I didn't want to get into an argument in the game thread but I posted Mo Bamba going off and was countered with Embiid scoring 50, my point was the point differential at center between the two, as of today Mo Bamba averages 10.4 ppg in just under 28 mpg(starter minutes), Embiid averages 28 ppg, a differential of... 17.6, last night with Embiid scoring 50 and Mo Bamba scoring 32 the difference was... 18, not much off what their normal difference is. 50 points is a ton of points, but this defense big also gave up 32 points to a guy who averages just over 10 ppg. When you expend a lot of energy as a scorer your defense usually suffers and it seems Embiid's did. Embiid and Drummond both left Bamba open from 3pt range where he's hitting .358 from there, which is also higher then D.Robinson this season.

Yep I agree, Embiid even acknowledged himself that Bamba was cooking him

Yet nurkic got 18/14 playing 6 mins less and in foul trouble most of the game… but yeah bam didn’t get cooked scoring 2 points more and getting 3 rebounds less.

[Heat_Down_Under]

Sheesh....Jokic 49/14/10/3/1 on 64% FG

And embiid with 50/12 73% FG

Yet Bam fans get excited on his stats from tonight’s game lol

Heat* fans get excited. Sad to see you wanted him to do bad. Embiid is one of the 2 centers in the league better than Bam, he also gave up 32 to Bamba lmao.

No one wanted to see bam do bad.. but also no one thinks bam is the 3rd best centre in the league like u do… bam is a max player and should start scoring like one.. if you guys are going to counter argue with that’s not who he is blah blah trade him then. You got rookie contract players on the team averaging more than our “max player”

[Heat_Down_Under]

Sheesh....Jokic 49/14/10/3/1 on 64% FG

And embiid with 50/12 73% FG

Yet Bam fans get excited on his stats from tonight’s game lol

bam is not a Center

Say it louder so most of the posters on this forum who think he is knows that…

[AirP.]

I didn't want to get into an argument in the game thread but I posted Mo Bamba going off and was countered with Embiid scoring 50, my point was the point differential at center between the two, as of today Mo Bamba averages 10.4 ppg in just under 28 mpg(starter minutes), Embiid averages 28 ppg, a differential of... 17.6, last night with Embiid scoring 50 and Mo Bamba scoring 32 the difference was... 18, not much off what their normal difference is. 50 points is a ton of points, but this defense big also gave up 32 points to a guy who averages just over 10 ppg. When you expend a lot of energy as a scorer your defense usually suffers and it seems Embiid's did. Embiid and Drummond both left Bamba open from 3pt range where he's hitting .358 from there, which is also higher then D.Robinson this season.

Yep I agree, Embiid even acknowledged himself that Bamba was cooking him

Yet nurkic got 18/14 playing 6 mins less and in foul trouble most of the game… but yeah bam didn’t get cooked scoring 2 points more and getting 3 rebounds less.

Bam and Miami's defense is different, they do a lot of switching with Bam which is why in the game thread I mentioned not liking Bam covering a parameter player while Nurkic was allowed to go against 6'7'' and smaller players for a few easy scores, it's one thing if Butler and Lowry are out there to help out against bigger guys but they weren't there at that time.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

I didn't want to get into an argument in the game thread but I posted Mo Bamba going off and was countered with Embiid scoring 50, my point was the point differential at center between the two, as of today Mo Bamba averages 10.4 ppg in just under 28 mpg(starter minutes), Embiid averages 28 ppg, a differential of... 17.6, last night with Embiid scoring 50 and Mo Bamba scoring 32 the difference was... 18, not much off what their normal difference is. 50 points is a ton of points, but this defense big also gave up 32 points to a guy who averages just over 10 ppg. When you expend a lot of energy as a scorer your defense usually suffers and it seems Embiid's did. Embiid and Drummond both left Bamba open from 3pt range where he's hitting .358 from there, which is also higher then D.Robinson this season.

Yep I agree, Embiid even acknowledged himself that Bamba was cooking him

Yet nurkic got 18/14 playing 6 mins less and in foul trouble most of the game… but yeah bam didn’t get cooked scoring 2 points more and getting 3 rebounds less.

Nurkics points came off switches majority of the time. You saw this if you watched. Nurkic is also better than Bamba, and Zubac who I failed to mention gave Jokic 32-15.

I’m sorry you want to see Bam fail, I hope you’re able to get over whatever he did to you

[3ammy3uck3ts]

And embiid with 50/12 73% FG

Yet Bam fans get excited on his stats from tonight’s game lol

bam is not a Center

Say it louder so most of the posters on this forum who think he is knows that…

Odd, he’s played center his entire life.

That’s like me saying Chris Paul isn’t a PG

[3ammy3uck3ts]

And embiid with 50/12 73% FG

Yet Bam fans get excited on his stats from tonight’s game lol

Heat* fans get excited. Sad to see you wanted him to do bad. Embiid is one of the 2 centers in the league better than Bam, he also gave up 32 to Bamba lmao.

No one wanted to see bam do bad.. but also no one thinks bam is the 3rd best centre in the league like u do… bam is a max player and should start scoring like one.. if you guys are going to counter argue with that’s not who he is blah blah trade him then. You got rookie contract players on the team averaging more than our “max player”

Oh so you tie max contracts to strictly scoring, I see now lmao!

20-10-3 while being the best defender in the world is max worthy.

You want him to score more then give him Herros usage and attempts and he’ll be the leading scorer on the team. Your boy is also like a bottom 5 defender in the league from a stat that was posted here a week or so ago. Guess that doesn’t matter.

[insfo]

I guess we've made it if we are all bickering over our favorite player, Spo not playing them, other person's fave player not being good enough etc rather than "let's blow it up", "Let's tank!!" etc

Love this team. Love every single player on it, yes even KZ & Duncan. See no reason to trade anyone just so that they can get their numbers. Depth is important as we've seen with all the injuries. Would be sad to see anyone go, but a consolidation type of trade might be best for the team. Unless and until that happens, riding with these guys and looking forward to the next game.

DoMoP is something else

[balla345]

Bam is only a Center because of our system but everyone knows hes a PF.

[insfo]

Trade to Spurs

SF Duncan Robinson
PF KZ Okpala

for

PF Thaddeus Young
Future 2nd round pick

*Trade frees up 3 million in cap space that allows us to guarantee Caleb Martin once the trade is made and also opens up an extra roster spot and enough money to sign a buyout player. Thad also expires next year freeing up Duncan's 16 million off the cap to offer extension to Herro and contract offer to Dipo.

I'm not going to comment on the trade except to say even with the current plethora of great shooting from the other guys, I'd still rather have DRob than Thaddeus Young for tactical reasons. On the subject of the contracts, however, I can make some points to consider, which perhaps explain why the Heat haven't offered Martin his deal, which is seen as such an obvious move for us.

The first question is how much is Caleb Martin worth in a vacuum, and (for you in the back of the room) I don't mean a literal vacuum like Space where all the players are worth nothing unless they are in spacesuits and, why would they be playing basketball in spacesuits, you idiot. I am speaking to everyone else actually, so just ignore the post, dumbass. Thank you.

I mean a metaphoric vacuum, like objectively, how much is a guy who has the balls to fight James Johnson worth?



Caleb is a high-energy wing player with solid numbers from beyond the arc in limited minutes and impeccable defense. He is reliable and you can count on him to leave nothing in reserve. He wants to win and is a great player for us. How much is he worth though? The best we can do is build a scale and try to guess. Here is a scale (like electromagnetic spectrum graphs), ranked by salary:

OG Anunoby: 24 yo, Toronto 16m
T.J. Warren: 28 yo, Pacers $12.7m
Joe Ingles: 33 yo, Jazz, $12.4m
DJJ: 24 yo, Bulls, $9.7m
Jae Crowder: 31 yo, Suns, $9.7m
O’Neale: 28 yo, Jazz, $8.8m
Cam Johnson: 25 yo, Suns, $4.4m
Winslow: 25 yo, Clippers, $3.9m

I left out rookie contracts, because they distort real value. One example:

Hunter: 23 yo (rookie deal), Hawks, $7.8m

I think we all agree that Hunter and guys like Miles Bridges are worth more than what they make and will get much more when they negotiate their next deals.

Hold on, though, Anunoby is a starter. A healthy Warren is too. Crowder too. And Johnson. Hmmm... Maybe that's the first question. Is Caleb a starting NBA player or a solid sub? I'm also going to say somewhere in the middle, which is about what I'd offer: $10m per season, about the same as Richardson or Winslow a few seasons ago. Pushing it to $12m is not unreasonable. I'd expect a team that needs him (there are plenty if he plays like he has been for us) would pay even a little more.

It's not like his ability is a secret anymore:

https://www.si.com/nba/heat/miami-news/miami-heat-caleb-martin-continues-improvement

How dumb does this look now?

https://www.nba.com/hornets/hornets-waive-caleb-martin

Why does it matter what other teams can pay? The Heat control him, right? Read on.

First off, it's important to analyze our rights to the player.

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q83

Any Two-Way contract can be converted to a standard NBA contract at the team’s option. A Two-Way contract can be converted from the start of the July Moratorium through the day of the team’s last regular season game in the last year of the Two-Way contract. Once converted, the contract becomes a standard NBA contract that is in effect for the remainder of the term of the Two-Way contract. The player’s salary becomes the NBA minimum salary based on his years of service (pro-rated based on when the contract is converted). If the contract contains an Exhibit 10 bonus, the bonus amount converts to a salary guarantee.

In lieu of converting a Two-Way contract to a standard NBA contract, teams and players are also free to negotiate and sign a standard NBA contract. If a new NBA contract is signed, the Two-Way contract becomes null and void.

Two more important detail to remember:

Bird rights accrue for a player signed to a Two-Way contract the same as for a player signed to a standard NBA contract.

In order to make their free agent a restricted free agent, a team must submit a qualifying offer to the player between the day following the last game of the NBA Finals and June 29. The qualifying offer is a standing offer for a one-year guaranteed contract, which becomes a regular contact if the player decides to sign it. This ensures that the team does not gain the right of first refusal without offering a contract themselves. The amount of the qualifying offer depends on the situation:

<snip rookie deal part>

For players coming off Two-Way contracts where the player is no longer eligible to sign another Two-Way contract, the qualifying offer is a standard NBA contract with the minimum salary based on years of service, with at least the Two-Way G-League amount guaranteed.

Ok? How much is that? Martin is in his 3rd season. Easy: $1,737,145 per season.
http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q22
Plus $100,000 more of course, so 1.8m.

How much can other teams offer? Well... Let's say a team has $15m cap space. They could offer 4/60 but structure the deal to fit him into their mid-level exception and put the bulk of the salary on the backend. This should sound awfully familiar. It was exactly what the Nets did with Tyler Johnson.

Essentially, we would be looking at something like: $10, $11, 19, 20. Ugh. That's a solid deal for Caleb, but we'll have to trade him with a pick later, unless he becomes a much bigger part of the team.

The better option, in my opinion, is to renounce his rights and just hand him the mid-level exception for 3 seasons. That starts at about $10m per season, averages out to 3/35 and if he bursts a seam in the NBA bubble (so to speak), the Heat can offer him the max in 3 years. He would be almost 30 though. If we do this, there really is no point in converting his deal to a minimum veteran deal (aka standard nba contract). You can't get his bird rights without 3 seasons anyhow, just early bird, and then you have to deal with the Arenas Provision I described above.

tl/dr: There is a good reason why the Heat aren't changing Caleb's deal to a "standard nba contract"

Quite the conversation you have going there, Gom!

Agree with everything, though I should say I'd be more comfortable matching a TJ like offer sheet for Martin than I was for TJ. But signing him to the MidLevel right now, and assuming no cap saving trade is made, this would mean we have to renounce someone like Oladipo next year right?

[Heat_Down_Under]

Heat* fans get excited. Sad to see you wanted him to do bad. Embiid is one of the 2 centers in the league better than Bam, he also gave up 32 to Bamba lmao.

No one wanted to see bam do bad.. but also no one thinks bam is the 3rd best centre in the league like u do… bam is a max player and should start scoring like one.. if you guys are going to counter argue with that’s not who he is blah blah trade him then. You got rookie contract players on the team averaging more than our “max player”

Oh so you tie max contracts to strictly scoring, I see now lmao!

20-10-3 while being the best defender in the world is max worthy.

You want him to score more then give him Herros usage and attempts and he’ll be the leading scorer on the team. Your boy is also like a bottom 5 defender in the league from a stat that was posted here a week or so ago. Guess that doesn’t matter.

I stopped reading after bam “being the best defender in the world” let me know when he wins defensive player of the season..

[AirP.]

tl/dr: There is a good reason why the Heat aren't changing Caleb's deal to a "standard nba contract"

A player on a two-way contract won’t be eligible to play in the postseason, they were last year but they didn't continue that rule this year.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/nba-to-carry-over-most-of-new-two-way-rules-to-2021-22-season/ar-AAMf2WH

[rate_]

Bam is only a Center because of our system but everyone knows hes a PF.

I think Bam is more of a tweener offensively. I don't think he has a natural position

[greg4012]

Yep I agree, Embiid even acknowledged himself that Bamba was cooking him

Yet nurkic got 18/14 playing 6 mins less and in foul trouble most of the game… but yeah bam didn’t get cooked scoring 2 points more and getting 3 rebounds less.

Bam and Miami's defense is different, they do a lot of switching with Bam which is why in the game thread I mentioned not liking Bam covering a parameter player while Nurkic was allowed to go against 6'7'' and smaller players for a few easy scores, it's one thing if Butler and Lowry are out there to help out against bigger guys but they weren't there at that time.

I would like to see us be more multiple on defense when Bam is in the game. It almost becomes a bailout for teams to be able to just scheme to switch Bam onto the perimeter and then work to get the ball to the big man mismatch in the paint. If we mixed the looks a bit more, teams would be less likely to make that their first look/primary focus.