Options to fix the PF hole

[sco]

At this point I'm getting the feeling akme is simply holding the pf seat warm until Patrick Williams gets back.

And honestly Patrick Williams is who we need at the pf.

I'm not willing to give up bench scoring and depth for a guy to come here and grab 9 rebounds.

The idea of PWill is what we need at PF, but the current iteration is not that.

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Lol it's year 2

What we need from the 4 is

Rebounding
Outside scoring
Good passing from the post
Rim protection
Defensive switches
Being able to step out on shooters
Being able to defend the pick and roll
Getting through screens
Can move his feet on defense
Can defend the back cuts

Patrick Williams checks the boxes on all of that.
Especially based on how Donovan runs his offense. We don't need a pf who will make the ball stick. Only other player who might fit that role is jerami Grant but he not great enough to give up even more assets for especially since we have Patrick Williams here on a rookie deal.

I am optimistic about Pat's future, but he's average, to below average at:
Rebounding
Good passing from the post
Rim protection
Being able to defend the pick and roll
Getting through screens
Can move his feet on defense
Can defend the back cuts

Not to say he can't improve, but his timeline isn't this year or next year to be better than either Green or DJJ.

[TheSuzerain]

I'd love to trade for THT as an improving asset for the future, but I don't really see him being all that useful for us this year. The shot just isn't there yet.

No hostility intended, but were you the one suggesting we sign THT to a huge contract in the off-season? Maybe even a max, I don't remember.

My point is it's crazy how quickly a player's value can change in just a few months. I wouldn't want THT unless we blew it up and started rebuilding.

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His "max" was like 19 million a year or something.

Fans are fickle. I don't think THT's actual value has changed a heck of a lot. Perhaps his value to the Lakers has declined as he is not someone to play next to a Westbrook/LeBron tandem (although only a complete idiot would want to build around a Westbrook/Anyone tandem, but I digress).

The Lakers are a nightmare in terms of roster construction. I'd absolutely be looking for talent that they're selling for cheap because the roster fit is a mess.

[Chi town]

I'd love to trade for THT as an improving asset for the future, but I don't really see him being all that useful for us this year. The shot just isn't there yet.

No hostility intended, but were you the one suggesting we sign THT to a huge contract in the off-season? Maybe even a max, I don't remember.

My point is it's crazy how quickly a player's value can change in just a few months. I wouldn't want THT unless we blew it up and started rebuilding.

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His "max" was like 19 million a year or something.

Fans are fickle. I don't think THT's actual value has changed a heck of a lot. Perhaps his value to the Lakers has declined as he is not someone to play next to a Westbrook/LeBron tandem (although only a complete idiot would want to build around a Westbrook/Anyone tandem, but I digress).

The Lakers are a nightmare in terms of roster construction. I'd absolutely be looking for talent that they're selling for cheap because the roster fit is a mess.

That already happened w Kuzma.

[prolific passer]

Wizards are in the 8th spot and with the east being so wide open they are only 5 games out of first. Doubt they will be trading anybody right now.

[GoBlue72391]

At this point I'm getting the feeling akme is simply holding the pf seat warm until Patrick Williams gets back.

And honestly Patrick Williams is who we need at the pf.

I'm not willing to give up bench scoring and depth for a guy to come here and grab 9 rebounds.

The idea of PWill is what we need at PF, but the current iteration is not that.

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Lol it's year 2

What we need from the 4 is

Rebounding
Outside scoring
Good passing from the post
Rim protection
Defensive switches
Being able to step out on shooters
Being able to defend the pick and roll
Getting through screens
Can move his feet on defense
Can defend the back cuts

Patrick Williams checks the boxes on all of that.
Especially based on how Donovan runs his offense. We don't need a pf who will make the ball stick. Only other player who might fit that role is jerami Grant but he not great enough to give up even more assets for especially since we have Patrick Williams here on a rookie deal.

What does this being PWill's 2nd year have to do with anything? I never said he's a finished product, just that the potential of PWill may indeed be what we need at PF, but the player he is today is not that. And there's no guarantee he ever becomes that player, and even if he does, it might not happen until our window has already closed.

And you're being incredibly generous to PWill with at least half of that list. Has PWill ever posted up even once in his NBA career? How the hell can anyone know if he's a good passer from the post when he's almost never posted up? That's just one example of many from your list. People confuse potential with current ability.

[Bulls2021]

Posted this in the other thread, but you're at the point where you start looking for a team that would like to swap a PF for a guard (Coby). Coby has been damn good lately, but guard is our deepest position.

[prolific passer]

Posted this in the other thread, but you're at the point where you start looking for a team that would like to swap a PF for a guard (Coby). Coby has been damn good lately, but guard is our deepest position.

Hard to get rid of Coby when your 2 starting guards are both out. Also he becomes valuable as a 6th man due to his scoring streak he is currently on.

[Bulls2021]

Posted this in the other thread, but you're at the point where you start looking for a team that would like to swap a PF for a guard (Coby). Coby has been damn good lately, but guard is our deepest position.

Hard to get rid of Coby when your 2 starting guards are both out. Also he becomes valuable as a 6th man due to his scoring streak he is currently on.

We don't have a PF, period. That's more important than a 6th man when you're already ridiculously deep with guards.

[prolific passer]

Posted this in the other thread, but you're at the point where you start looking for a team that would like to swap a PF for a guard (Coby). Coby has been damn good lately, but guard is our deepest position.

Hard to get rid of Coby when your 2 starting guards are both out. Also he becomes valuable as a 6th man due to his scoring streak he is currently on.

We don't have a PF, period. That's more important than a 6th man when you're already ridiculously deep with guards.

Bulls can probably get a decent/average power forward without trading Coby.

[Bulls2021]

Hard to get rid of Coby when your 2 starting guards are both out. Also he becomes valuable as a 6th man due to his scoring streak he is currently on.

We don't have a PF, period. That's more important than a 6th man when you're already ridiculously deep with guards.

Bulls can probably get a decent/average power forward without trading Coby.

Like who? The whole point of dealing Coby is to get a better PF, not some scrap heap buyout candidate like you're thinking of.

[prolific passer]

We don't have a PF, period. That's more important than a 6th man when you're already ridiculously deep with guards.

Bulls can probably get a decent/average power forward without trading Coby.

Like who? The whole point of dealing Coby is to get a better PF, not some scrap heap buyout candidate like you're thinking of.

Bulls don't really a power forward on the roster. So any decent power forward is better than what they have now.

[Bulls2021]

Bulls can probably get a decent/average power forward without trading Coby.

Like who? The whole point of dealing Coby is to get a better PF, not some scrap heap buyout candidate like you're thinking of.

Bulls don't really a power forward on the roster. So any decent power forward is better than what they have now.

But why not get a better one? They aren't keeping Coby AND Ayo two years from nows. Deal from a strength and get a good PF.

[prolific passer]

What do the bulls do with Lonzo if he continues to get hurt and Coby and Ayo continue their great play? Lonzo's contract though? :/

[dawhizz]

I’m not sure how we get him, as he’s on a pretty cheap deal for the next two years, but Trey Lyles makes sense to me as a cheaper option.

[AshyLarrysDiaper]

Think I've talked myself out of Jerami Grant.

1. I'm wary of the extension money he wants.

2. I'm wary of the offensive role he wants.

3. After soul searching, I'm not convinced this is our go-for-broke moment. We don't have that Milwaukee/BKN/GSW or even Miami fastball. I could easily see a situation where we knock off one of them in the playoffs, but beating two or three would require a tremendous amount of luck. I'm leaning toward being highly competitive now while preserving a couple young pieces (some combo of Pat, Coby, Ayo, Lonzo, draft picks) for a near-future reboot built around a true superstar. I know Jokic in 2023 seems a bit pie in the sky, but hoping Grant is the piece that covers for our lack of a top 10 guy is even more aspirational IMHO.

[MGB8]

Kelly Olynyk came back last night. He'd definitely be a 5 in the Bulls' system, but he'd be a huge (though modestly expensive - 12M salary) upgrade to Tony Bradley - Olynyk is a very good player who can play the hub role at the 5 and is not awful defensively. In fact, he used to be quick enough to play the 4 a bit - though I doubt that's still the case.

DJJ (who is out for the next 4-6) plus Simonovic or Bradley (salary) plus the Portland pick feels like a mild overpay... but I wonder if that could be expanded into a 3 team deal with Josh Jackson or Trey Lyles heading to the Clippers (for a look-see at a younger player) and Batum heading to Chicago....

If that would be doable - and let's assume Simonovic is worth a little more to Detroit (less expensive next year - either due to Bradley opting out or in; hope for greater growth) and that the Clipps take Lyles to save 700K on salary (and whatever multiple of that it is with the lux tax)... new depth chart:

cc: Vuc, Olynyk, Bradley
f: Batum, Green, McKinnie, M.Hill
w: DD, TBJr., (Caruso), (McKinnie)
g: Zach, Coby, Thomas
g: Ball(?), Ayo, Caruso, (LaVine/DD/Coby)

[PistolP]

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Second try is a charm

[biggestbullsfan]

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Second try is a charm

I’d take him but not for any real assets. Nothing significant. I’d rather sign him outright.

Also, he should’ve gave came to us first. Brooklyn had 2 PF already before he got there.

[FriedRise]

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Is he still productive? Wish we would’ve landed LMA.

[Wingy]

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Seems like a strong indicator that he’s washed up. Outside the big 3, Mills and Harris, the rest of that roster is...let’s put it nicely and say uninspiring.