Vogel benched Westbrook: "Playing the guys that I thought were going to win the game”

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Re: Vogel benched Westbrook: "Playing the guys that I thought were going to win the game” 

Post#101 » by Pharmcat » Thu Jan 20, 2022 10:25 pm

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You can't really do that in the NBA. His contract is guaranteed and counts 100% against the salary cap if he's cut. That means you lose the ability to sign other players to the tune of $44 million (prorated) this season and $47 million next year. You'd be tying up a HUGE percentage of your cap space for a player that isn't playing and cannot be traded.

The Lakers committed hard to the (doomed from the start) Westbrook experiment the minute that trade became official. This is the result and they have to live with the consequences.


No one wants Westbrook and he is a net negative on floor. Just move on and sign a minimum level player to replace roster spot


And that's an encouraging message to all future free agents "hey if you come and play like an ass don't worry we gone cut you so you can sit at home and still pick up your paychecks".


John wall been collecting checks at home all year

Didn’t okc send horford home early last year ?

Westbrook is a horrible player who no one wants , cut bait and move on
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Re: Vogel benched Westbrook: "Playing the guys that I thought were going to win the game” 

Post#102 » by trickshot » Thu Jan 20, 2022 10:30 pm

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lonzo_pelota wrote:but benching russ didnt produce a winning result lol


Got a revelation for you. No one’s saying the Lakers are going to be contenders without Russ. All we’re saying is that they’ll suck less.


He should have benched Melo as well. We would have won.

Both Russ and Melo are net negative players.

People still think they're ringless by accident.
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Re: Vogel benched Westbrook: "Playing the guys that I thought were going to win the game” 

Post#103 » by FrobeBryant » Thu Jan 20, 2022 10:36 pm

I get the benching Russ part. But he left Melo in the game during a crucial stretch where Melo was not producing offensively and made major mistakes defensively down the stretch. I’m done defending the guy, Vogel is as big of a problem as Russ or anyone else on this team.
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Re: Vogel on benching Westbrook: "Playing the guys I thought that I thought were going to win the game” 

Post#104 » by trickshot » Thu Jan 20, 2022 10:45 pm

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In Washington I honestly feel management was annoyed at Russ because even though the last month and a half fo the year were amazing and he got them into the playoffs the owners proabbly would have preffered a full tank strategy. Anyways the Lakers called them and Russ was happy to have a palce that wanted him and Washingotn was happy to move an asset that did play great for them but wasn't part of the long term plan.

You're right about the part I was already right about.

As a side note not only has Russ never demanded a trade he's also never gone out of his way to get a coach fired. Plays hard, supports his teammates, doesn't cause trouble... yet the audience hates him? Who knows?


Cannot speak on Houston, but you are wrong about Washington.

This is straight from the mouth of the Washington Wizards owner.

Ted Leonsis wrote:“We had a superstar player with the Wizards, he had an opportunity and wanted to be traded to the Lakers…And I was dealing with that as we were announcing Alex (Ovechkin). I couldn’t help but self-reflect on what a difference it is. Here’s a great player in Russell Westbrook, played in OKC, wanted to be traded, went to Houston, wanted to be traded, came to D.C., wanted to be traded and is now in L.A. He’s an unbelievably great person and an unbelievably great player. But that’s the difference between the NBA and the NHL, I suppose.”


Westbrook, that sneaky little bastard, apparently even went so far as to prod Beal to request a trade to make his exit easier to justify.

Good riddance, I am glad he's gone because I probably couldn't have stomached another season of his approach to basketball.

He also tried to snake Paul George recruiting Kawhi. Throw the loyalty narrative to the fire with the plays hard. good defense and other garbage myths. KD was called a snake for way less, Curry is called a bad defender in player comparisons. Westbrook's entire rep is hollywood so it's pretty ironic he's failing in LA.
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Re: Vogel benched Westbrook: "Playing the guys that I thought were going to win the game” 

Post#105 » by WHITE_HOT_HEAT » Thu Jan 20, 2022 11:44 pm

Lmao.. LeBron got overconfident in his GM skills.. Lakers management **** up as well.. This Lakers is team is old as hell and there is barely any chemistry or cohesion.

Russ is a Trainwreck at this point. Not even bad teams would want him. He was good to great till about 2 years ago. Now it's just painful to watch him.
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Re: Vogel benched Westbrook: "Playing the guys that I thought were going to win the game” 

Post#106 » by BNM » Thu Jan 20, 2022 11:54 pm

ken6199 wrote:
Pharmcat wrote:
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You can't really do that in the NBA. His contract is guaranteed and counts 100% against the salary cap if he's cut. That means you lose the ability to sign other players to the tune of $44 million (prorated) this season and $47 million next year. You'd be tying up a HUGE percentage of your cap space for a player that isn't playing and cannot be traded.

The Lakers committed hard to the (doomed from the start) Westbrook experiment the minute that trade became official. This is the result and they have to live with the consequences.


No one wants Westbrook and he is a net negative on floor. Just move on and sign a minimum level player to replace roster spot


And that's an encouraging message to all future free agents "hey if you come and play like an ass don't worry we gone cut you so you can sit at home and still pick up your paychecks".


That's not what will happen. If LAL cuts Westbrook, someone else will pick him up on a vet min deal for the rest of this season, and possibly even sign him to a 1-year TP MLE deal next summer. The Lakers will be stuck paying him $44/$47 million while he also collects paychecks from someone else.

It would be ironic of the Lakers cut him, one of the other WC play in teams picked him up and that team bumped the Lakers from the playoffs. On a vet min deal, he might be a marginally useful 7th man, if his ego would allow him to accept that role. Let Russ go all out against the the teams' second units, but limit him to about 18 MPG of pure energy, and don't let him see the floor in the 4th quarter of any winnable games.
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Re: Vogel benched Westbrook: "Playing the guys that I thought were going to win the game” 

Post#107 » by John Murdoch » Fri Jan 21, 2022 12:13 am

Should have gave Frank a standing O. Keep doing it till westy gets the hint and declines his player option
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Re: Vogel benched Westbrook: "Playing the guys that I thought were going to win the game” 

Post#108 » by toodles23 » Fri Jan 21, 2022 12:16 am

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JN61 wrote:If you think LeBron isn't complete liability on defensive end, especially when games comes down to last few minutes, I have bad news for you.

I think I trust Lebrons IQ on the defensive end more than anyones on that team, sans maybe Dwight. But yes, you keep telling us how bad his defense is when he doesn't WANT to play it because that is totally comparable to a guy trying to play it, but just completely incapable due to their tiny brains like your guy Westbrook and Carmelo.


Which is perfectly portraited by the defensive stats. Carmelo, while has been historically speaking bad defender is actually trying to defend. Same with Westbrook (he has several games this year where he stopped opponent's best player. Like George), they both try. Lebron doesn't. This is reflected in their defensive rating which for Lebron is worse than these 2 players; 112.4 vs 109 and 109.

If we expand this to clutch time, where the game matters the most and players must be the most locked in on the last 5 minutes of the game on +/-5pts of 5 minutes of the game Lebron posts horrific 118.2 DEFRTG, Carmelo at 108 and Westbrook at 108.6. 4th quarter for this year Lebron is posting 117.1 DEFRTG this year and if they are up more than 10 points he basically doesn't play defense at all and has almost 121 rating allowing easy comebacks for other teams. Only time Lebron has been having ok numbers was when he was hidden behind Davis earlier this year.

When Lebron played the center the numbers are even worse; last 5 games he is posting 124.2 DEFRTG. Last 10; 113.6. Last 15; 118. He basically can't play center at all he wanted to play. He is total layup line for opponent or opponent spreads the floor and gets 3-4 wide open 3 pointers per game which he doesn't even bother to contest.

The idea that Westbrook tries on defense is absolutely comical. Lebron has been far better even though he's 37 years old playing **** center as a 6'8" guy - if you actually think he should be rotating out to shooters AND protecting the rim on every possession, at 37 years old with 62,000 minutes under his belt, you must think he's the GOAT by an order of magnitude. Also, individual DRTG is beyond meaningless, which I'm assuming you know but are using it anyway to further your agenda.

The only time Westbrook tries is when he's defending a guy on the ball. For the most part he's a disaster on that end - extremely lazy, constantly falling asleep and losing his man off the ball, chasing potential rebounds before the shot even goes up and leaving guys open, he has horrible positioning off the ball anytime the team is in rotation, obviously can't protect the rim as a declining 6'3" guard... there's really not much positive you can say about him on that end.
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Re: Vogel benched Westbrook: "Playing the guys that I thought were going to win the game” 

Post#109 » by DroseReturnChi » Fri Jan 21, 2022 12:56 am

yep westbrook is always the guy to blame. lets see how well lakers play while wesbtrook becomes another spot up shooter for lebron.
lebron always has numerous scapegoats he can crucify in case the season fails.
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Re: Vogel benched Westbrook: "Playing the guys that I thought were going to win the game” 

Post#110 » by DroseReturnChi » Fri Jan 21, 2022 1:02 am

Balls Deep wrote:It’s sad he finally got the balls to do it after being put on the hot seat. What a pussy.


its a mess. lebron tries to cut vogel. vogel tries to put the blame on westbrook and save his job.
so much drama in lakers this team is doomed no chemistry all fighting for personal gains.
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Re: Vogel benched Westbrook: "Playing the guys that I thought were going to win the game” 

Post#111 » by Dez » Fri Jan 21, 2022 1:20 am

DroseReturnChi wrote:yep westbrook is always the guy to blame. lets see how well lakers play while wesbtrook becomes another spot up shooter for lebron.
lebron always has numerous scapegoats he can crucify in case the season fails.


Except Westbrook and his crap play are a significant reason for the Lakers struggles.

Inefficient offense, no defense and plenty of turnovers, how is Westbrook not a person to blame? Is he the only one? No but a large reason.
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Re: Vogel benched Westbrook: "Playing the guys that I thought were going to win the game” 

Post#112 » by slick_watts » Fri Jan 21, 2022 1:38 am

it's 2022 and people are posting clutch defense rating stats in this thread. lord have mercy.
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Re: Vogel benched Westbrook: "Playing the guys that I thought were going to win the game” 

Post#113 » by AmIWrongDude » Fri Jan 21, 2022 1:41 am

Dez wrote:
DroseReturnChi wrote:yep westbrook is always the guy to blame. lets see how well lakers play while wesbtrook becomes another spot up shooter for lebron.
lebron always has numerous scapegoats he can crucify in case the season fails.


Except Westbrook and his crap play are a significant reason for the Lakers struggles.

Inefficient offense, no defense and plenty of turnovers, how is Westbrook not a person to blame? Is he the only one? No but a large reason.

Yep I truly believe LA would be better without Russ on the team even without any replacement. He’s been that bad.
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Re: Vogel benched Westbrook: "Playing the guys that I thought were going to win the game” 

Post#114 » by BostonCouchGM » Fri Jan 21, 2022 1:52 am

I still contend that Lebron and the Lakers don't take the regular season seriously and by the playoffs, they'll miraculously find themselves beating everyone and making the Finals. The league has rigged it to happen for so long I just can't imagine them allowing a healthy Lebron to fail to miss the Finals. The only way it doesn't happen is if Lebron conveniently gets injured so there's a built in excuse.
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Re: Vogel benched Westbrook: "Playing the guys that I thought were going to win the game” 

Post#115 » by og15 » Fri Jan 21, 2022 2:35 am

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Re: Vogel benched Westbrook: "Playing the guys that I thought were going to win the game” 

Post#116 » by Tekniskfeil23 » Fri Jan 21, 2022 7:09 am

So Lebron has sanctioned it. **** is about to hit the fan

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