[Fischer] Toronto A Team To Keep An Eye On For Myles Turner Trade

[Indeed]

So...mostly PFs, right?

Smallball Cs, yes.

Well, yes. But on the roster as a PF, and mostly played PF, but versatile enough to play smallball C. The money/quality is in this more mobile/versatile PF defender that can stay with guards on the perimeter, rather than the behemoth Cs of yore. JB, I think you and I are pretty much on the same page with this.

Outside of Draymond, they have 7'4 wingspan. Davis and Giannis are known for their shot blocking.
Our only 7'4 wingspan is Boucher, and you can tell the shot blocking difference. Barnes is half an inch short of 7'4, but his positioning and timing on block shot isn't as good.
Turner is also 7'4 and known for his shot blocking.

[Wannabe MEP]

Smallball Cs, yes.

Well, yes. But on the roster as a PF, and mostly played PF, but versatile enough to play smallball C. The money/quality is in this more mobile/versatile PF defender that can stay with guards on the perimeter, rather than the behemoth Cs of yore. JB, I think you and I are pretty much on the same page with this.

Outside of Draymond, they have 7'4 wingspan. Davis and Giannis are known for their shot blocking.
Our only 7'4 wingspan is Boucher, and you can tell the shot blocking difference. Barnes is half an inch short of 7'4, but his positioning and timing on block shot isn't as good.
Turner is also 7'4 and known for his shot blocking.

^ pretty significant caveat there. The defensive anchor for three of the last seven championships has a 7' 1" wingspan. So...clearly there's nothing magical about 7' 4".

[Indeed]

Well, yes. But on the roster as a PF, and mostly played PF, but versatile enough to play smallball C. The money/quality is in this more mobile/versatile PF defender that can stay with guards on the perimeter, rather than the behemoth Cs of yore. JB, I think you and I are pretty much on the same page with this.

Outside of Draymond, they have 7'4 wingspan. Davis and Giannis are known for their shot blocking.
Our only 7'4 wingspan is Boucher, and you can tell the shot blocking difference. Barnes is half an inch short of 7'4, but his positioning and timing on block shot isn't as good.
Turner is also 7'4 and known for his shot blocking.

^ pretty significant caveat there. The defensive anchor for three of the last seven championships has a 7' 1" wingspan. So...clearly there's nothing magical about 7' 4".

Nope, wingspan should not be the indicator, as Boucher also has that, it should be combination of wingspan, vertical, positioning, quickness, and etc. Simply say, rim protector. And not even Birch impacts that much, which is why we need to trade for one.

At the end, a rim protector like Draymond, Turner, etc would put us over to the contender level.

[niQ]

So.. first Turner was injured, now Sabonis is out with what they're calling a "significant ankle sprain."
If the Pacers were so keen on trading them, maybe they should've just stopped playing them to retain value... Not sure what they were trying to do here with making it public then continue to play them big minutes...

[Rodrickle]

Outside of Draymond, they have 7'4 wingspan. Davis and Giannis are known for their shot blocking.
Our only 7'4 wingspan is Boucher, and you can tell the shot blocking difference. Barnes is half an inch short of 7'4, but his positioning and timing on block shot isn't as good.
Turner is also 7'4 and known for his shot blocking.

^ pretty significant caveat there. The defensive anchor for three of the last seven championships has a 7' 1" wingspan. So...clearly there's nothing magical about 7' 4".

Nope, wingspan should not be the indicator, as Boucher also has that, it should be combination of wingspan, vertical, positioning, quickness, and etc. Simply say, rim protector. And not even Birch impacts that much, which is why we need to trade for one.

At the end, a rim protector like Draymond, Turner, etc would put us over to the contender level.

I agree with this but we still need another guard or two off the bench to be a semi contender

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[Indeed]

^ pretty significant caveat there. The defensive anchor for three of the last seven championships has a 7' 1" wingspan. So...clearly there's nothing magical about 7' 4".

Nope, wingspan should not be the indicator, as Boucher also has that, it should be combination of wingspan, vertical, positioning, quickness, and etc. Simply say, rim protector. And not even Birch impacts that much, which is why we need to trade for one.

At the end, a rim protector like Draymond, Turner, etc would put us over to the contender level.

I agree with this but we still need another guard or two off the bench to be a semi contender

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I thought about needing another guard earlier in the year, but since Siakam is playing guard, and we might expect Barnes to follow next season, I wonder if we need another 3&D to space the floor for them, particularly we shift OG on a better offensive role.

I wouldn't object to have someone behind VanVleet, but I am not sure what type of guard and would come off the bench. Are we looking for someone with quickness and shooting but without good defense (otherwise, he would be a starter, no?).

[LBJKB24MJ23]

Nope, wingspan should not be the indicator, as Boucher also has that, it should be combination of wingspan, vertical, positioning, quickness, and etc. Simply say, rim protector. And not even Birch impacts that much, which is why we need to trade for one.

At the end, a rim protector like Draymond, Turner, etc would put us over to the contender level.

I agree with this but we still need another guard or two off the bench to be a semi contender

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I thought about needing another guard earlier in the year, but since Siakam is playing guard, and we might expect Barnes to follow next season, I wonder if we need another 3&D to space the floor for them, particularly we shift OG on a better offensive role.

I wouldn't object to have someone behind VanVleet, but I am not sure what type of guard and would come off the bench. Are we looking for someone with quickness and shooting but without good defense (otherwise, he would be a starter, no?).

We definitely need more shooters considering our core wing players are all ball handlers or initiating the offense to some extent.


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[Syd-TK3]

I'd much rather Lavert

How do you see him in our lineup? 6th man? That could work. He's a talented player but I just hate how injury prone he is. He's on a pretty team friendly deal as well.

We need scoring and secondary ball handling way more then we do a legit C

[WaltFrazier]

So.. first Turner was injured, now Sabonis is out with what they're calling a "significant ankle sprain."
If the Pacers were so keen on trading them, maybe they should've just stopped playing them to retain value... Not sure what they were trying to do here with making it public then continue to play them big minutes...

OT - funny how they beat the Lakers last night. And now they are hanging in tough with GSW while missing all their starters.:

Domantas Sabonis Inactive - Injury/Illness
Malcolm Brogdon Inactive - Injury/Illness
Caris LeVert Inactive - Injury/Illness
T.J. McConnell Inactive - Health and Safety Protocols
Myles Turner Inactive - Injury/Illness
T.J. Warren Inactive - Injury/Illness

[tecumseh18]

So.. first Turner was injured, now Sabonis is out with what they're calling a "significant ankle sprain."
If the Pacers were so keen on trading them, maybe they should've just stopped playing them to retain value... Not sure what they were trying to do here with making it public then continue to play them big minutes...

OT - funny how they beat the Lakers last night. And now they are hanging in tough with GSW while missing all their starters.:

Domantas Sabonis Inactive - Injury/Illness
Malcolm Brogdon Inactive - Injury/Illness
Caris LeVert Inactive - Injury/Illness
T.J. McConnell Inactive - Health and Safety Protocols
Myles Turner Inactive - Injury/Illness
T.J. Warren Inactive - Injury/Illness

The point keeps making itself - the era of over-investing in big men is over.

[Los_29]

Outside of Draymond, they have 7'4 wingspan. Davis and Giannis are known for their shot blocking.
Our only 7'4 wingspan is Boucher, and you can tell the shot blocking difference. Barnes is half an inch short of 7'4, but his positioning and timing on block shot isn't as good.
Turner is also 7'4 and known for his shot blocking.

^ pretty significant caveat there. The defensive anchor for three of the last seven championships has a 7' 1" wingspan. So...clearly there's nothing magical about 7' 4".

Nope, wingspan should not be the indicator, as Boucher also has that, it should be combination of wingspan, vertical, positioning, quickness, and etc. Simply say, rim protector. And not even Birch impacts that much, which is why we need to trade for one.

At the end, a rim protector like Draymond, Turner, etc would put us over to the contender level.

Since when is Draymond a rim protector? And why do we need a rim protector?

[WaltFrazier]

So.. first Turner was injured, now Sabonis is out with what they're calling a "significant ankle sprain."
If the Pacers were so keen on trading them, maybe they should've just stopped playing them to retain value... Not sure what they were trying to do here with making it public then continue to play them big minutes...

OT - funny how they beat the Lakers last night. And now they are hanging in tough with GSW while missing all their starters.:

Domantas Sabonis Inactive - Injury/Illness
Malcolm Brogdon Inactive - Injury/Illness
Caris LeVert Inactive - Injury/Illness
T.J. McConnell Inactive - Health and Safety Protocols
Myles Turner Inactive - Injury/Illness
T.J. Warren Inactive - Injury/Illness

The point keeps making itself - the era of over-investing in big men is over.

Not sure how you get that from the Pacers situation. For one thing, Sabonis played 35 minutes vs LAL and scored. Levert and Brogdon also played, Levert got 30, Brogdon 19. It's only tonight they're missing all those guys. And 2nd half just starting, GSW up 9.

[WaltFrazier]

Yikes, now the Pacers backup C Bitadze, starting tonight because Turner and Sabonis are out, is down on the floor vs GSW. Gone to commercial, soon see how serious it is.

[Indeed]

^ pretty significant caveat there. The defensive anchor for three of the last seven championships has a 7' 1" wingspan. So...clearly there's nothing magical about 7' 4".

Nope, wingspan should not be the indicator, as Boucher also has that, it should be combination of wingspan, vertical, positioning, quickness, and etc. Simply say, rim protector. And not even Birch impacts that much, which is why we need to trade for one.

At the end, a rim protector like Draymond, Turner, etc would put us over to the contender level.

Since when is Draymond a rim protector? And why do we need a rim protector?

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/defensive-impact/?Season=2017-18&SeasonType=Playoffs&sort=DEF_RIM_FG_PCT&dir=-1&CF=GP*GE*15:MIN*GE*25

Opponent shooting 53.3%

As for Barnes / Siakam / OG, they are over 60%. Achiuwa is the only player, but he isn't going against big C, nor his offense is good enough.
https://www.nba.com/stats/players/defensive-impact/?Season=2021-22&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&sort=DEF_RIM_FG_PCT&dir=-1&TeamID=1610612761

[Indeed]

Yikes, now the Pacers backup C Bitadze, starting tonight because Turner and Sabonis are out, is down on the floor vs GSW. Gone to commercial, soon see how serious it is.

I wouldn't worry too much about their injuries, I think they just kicked off the tanking season.

[Los_29]

Nope, wingspan should not be the indicator, as Boucher also has that, it should be combination of wingspan, vertical, positioning, quickness, and etc. Simply say, rim protector. And not even Birch impacts that much, which is why we need to trade for one.

At the end, a rim protector like Draymond, Turner, etc would put us over to the contender level.

Since when is Draymond a rim protector? And why do we need a rim protector?

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/defensive-impact/?Season=2017-18&SeasonType=Playoffs&sort=DEF_RIM_FG_PCT&dir=-1&CF=GP*GE*15:MIN*GE*25

Opponent shooting 53.3%

As for Barnes / Siakam / OG, they are over 60%. Achiuwa is the only player, but he isn't going against big C, nor his offense is good enough.
https://www.nba.com/stats/players/defensive-impact/?Season=2021-22&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&sort=DEF_RIM_FG_PCT&dir=-1&TeamID=1610612761

Sorry I thought you were referring to shot blocking.

Why would Dray go against big C’s but not Achiuwa? And you sent me the defensive numbers for the 2016-17 season.

[LoveMyRaps]

I'd much rather Lavert

How do you see him in our lineup? 6th man? That could work. He's a talented player but I just hate how injury prone he is. He's on a pretty team friendly deal as well.

We need scoring and secondary ball handling way more then we do a legit C

Yeah I agree. I think Precious and Birch are just fine as our center duo.

Need more guard play on this team.

[Indeed]

Since when is Draymond a rim protector? And why do we need a rim protector?

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/defensive-impact/?Season=2017-18&SeasonType=Playoffs&sort=DEF_RIM_FG_PCT&dir=-1&CF=GP*GE*15:MIN*GE*25

Opponent shooting 53.3%

As for Barnes / Siakam / OG, they are over 60%. Achiuwa is the only player, but he isn't going against big C, nor his offense is good enough.
https://www.nba.com/stats/players/defensive-impact/?Season=2021-22&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&sort=DEF_RIM_FG_PCT&dir=-1&TeamID=1610612761

Sorry I thought you were referring to shot blocking.

Why would Dray go against big C’s but not Achiuwa?

I think it depends.
Against the 76ers, they played zone with Green at C (Embiid basically played on the perimeter)
Against the Suns, they played Looney against Ayton (eg. This foul showed Looney was playing at the end of the 4th: https://www.nba.com/stats/events/?GameEventID=614&GameID=0022100490&Season=2021-22&flag=1&title=Looney%20OFF.Foul%20(P4)%20(C.Blair)&sct=plot)
Against the Nuggets, they played Looney against Jokic (eg. This possession showed Looney was playing until subbed out for offense / defense in free throw: https://www.nba.com/stats/events/?GameEventID=618&GameID=0022100514&Season=2021-22&flag=1&title=Barton%203%27%20Tip%20Layup%20Shot%20(19%20PTS)&sct=plot)

Maybe I can look it up if you have any other teams.

[Los_29]

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/defensive-impact/?Season=2017-18&SeasonType=Playoffs&sort=DEF_RIM_FG_PCT&dir=-1&CF=GP*GE*15:MIN*GE*25

Opponent shooting 53.3%

As for Barnes / Siakam / OG, they are over 60%. Achiuwa is the only player, but he isn't going against big C, nor his offense is good enough.
https://www.nba.com/stats/players/defensive-impact/?Season=2021-22&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&sort=DEF_RIM_FG_PCT&dir=-1&TeamID=1610612761

Sorry I thought you were referring to shot blocking.

Why would Dray go against big C’s but not Achiuwa?

I think it depends.
Against the 76ers, they played zone with Green at C (Embiid basically played on the perimeter)
Against the Suns, they played Looney against Ayton (eg. This foul showed Looney was playing at the end of the 4th: https://www.nba.com/stats/events/?GameEventID=614&GameID=0022100490&Season=2021-22&flag=1&title=Looney%20OFF.Foul%20(P4)%20(C.Blair)&sct=plot)
Against the Nuggets, they played Looney against Jokic (eg. This possession showed Looney was playing until subbed out for offense / defense in free throw: https://www.nba.com/stats/events/?GameEventID=618&GameID=0022100514&Season=2021-22&flag=1&title=Barton%203%27%20Tip%20Layup%20Shot%20(19%20PTS)&sct=plot)

Maybe I can look it up if you have any other teams.

I always thought Green was strictly a small ball C. And Achiuwa has been a defensive monster this year. Hope he can develop offensively.

[tecumseh18]

OT - funny how they beat the Lakers last night. And now they are hanging in tough with GSW while missing all their starters.:

Domantas Sabonis Inactive - Injury/Illness
Malcolm Brogdon Inactive - Injury/Illness
Caris LeVert Inactive - Injury/Illness
T.J. McConnell Inactive - Health and Safety Protocols
Myles Turner Inactive - Injury/Illness
T.J. Warren Inactive - Injury/Illness

The point keeps making itself - the era of over-investing in big men is over.

Not sure how you get that from the Pacers situation. For one thing, Sabonis played 35 minutes vs LAL and scored. Levert and Brogdon also played, Levert got 30, Brogdon 19. It's only tonight they're missing all those guys. And 2nd half just starting, GSW up 9.

So Pacers ended up winning. Undersized Draymond (who compares with Siakam and Scottie) was out. High profile legit Cs Turner and Sabonis were out, apparently not hurting the Pacers.

I'm not drawing conclusions from a single game. It's a guard-oriented league, and Raptors have a shortage of them. We don't need a "legit big".