Miami Heat Regular Season Thread 21-22 Vol. 2 - Can we get to first place?

[oreon]

The agenda against Bam on here is crazy to me lol, they just throw out the facts

Love how you support a message that claims bam is one of the 3rd or 4th best defenders… yet previous post your like name me 3 defenders better than him.. lolllll hypocrite

Grasping again, I supported a post showing support for the best defender in the world.

Yes he’s better than Gobert. Way more versatile and doesn’t get played off the court in the playoffs because gets this, HIS DEFENSE!!

Context does matter. Utah has crappy point of attack defenders and one on one defenders. And Gobert covers a lot of their mistakes defensively in the regular season. Now in the post season that can be exploited. But is it really Gobert's fault that fast guard blow past Conley & Mitchell and that Ingles & Bogan are kinda too slow to switch ?
Not really. Even Bam would struggle in the post season with that roster against a team like the Clippers that has 5 players that can shoot.
Personally I'd give the edge to Gobert. I think he has had to cover a lot more for his teammates than Bam has. Defense is a team sport, one player can do so much.
In terms of bigs defensively I would go Draymond, Giannis, Gobert then Bam. If it was 2 seasons ago, I would have AD ahead of Giannis, but he's been MIA last 2 seasons cuz of injuries

[Heat_Down_Under]

Love how you support a message that claims bam is one of the 3rd or 4th best defenders… yet previous post your like name me 3 defenders better than him.. lolllll hypocrite

Grasping again, I supported a post showing support for the best defender in the world.

Yes he’s better than Gobert. Way more versatile and doesn’t get played off the court in the playoffs because gets this, HIS DEFENSE!!

Context does matter. Utah has crappy point of attack defenders and one on one defenders. And Gobert covers a lot of their mistakes defensively in the regular season. Now in the post season that can be exploited. But is it really Gobert's fault that fast guard blow past Conley & Mitchell and that Ingles & Bogan are kinda too slow to switch ?
Not really. Even Bam would struggle in the post season with that roster against a team like the Clippers that has 5 players that can shoot.
Personally I'd give the edge to Gobert. I think he has had to cover a lot more for his teammates than Bam has. Defense is a team sport, one player can do so much.
In terms of bigs defensively I would go Draymond, Giannis, Gobert then Bam. If it was 2 seasons ago, I would have AD ahead of Giannis, but he's been MIA last 2 seasons cuz of injuries

Exactly

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Love how you support a message that claims bam is one of the 3rd or 4th best defenders… yet previous post your like name me 3 defenders better than him.. lolllll hypocrite

Grasping again, I supported a post showing support for the best defender in the world.

Yes he’s better than Gobert. Way more versatile and doesn’t get played off the court in the playoffs because gets this, HIS DEFENSE!!

Context does matter. Utah has crappy point of attack defenders and one on one defenders. And Gobert covers a lot of their mistakes defensively in the regular season. Now in the post season that can be exploited. But is it really Gobert's fault that fast guard blow past Conley & Mitchell and that Ingles & Bogan are kinda too slow to switch ?
Not really. Even Bam would struggle in the post season with that roster against a team like the Clippers that has 5 players that can shoot.
Personally I'd give the edge to Gobert. I think he has had to cover a lot more for his teammates than Bam has. Defense is a team sport, one player can do so much.
In terms of bigs defensively I would go Draymond, Giannis, Gobert then Bam. If it was 2 seasons ago, I would have AD ahead of Giannis, but he's been MIA last 2 seasons cuz of injuries

I’m not understanding your point with this one. Rudy get taken out of playoff games because defensively teams get switches and pick on him on the perimeter. There’s literally nothing defensively you can do to Bam to pick on him.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Final word on it, im not taking Rudy who gets played off the floor in the playoffs because of bad defense when he’s pulled from the rim, or Giannis who defensively won’t match up with the likes of KD who’s torching our guy PJ for 40+ in the playoffs while Giannis just sits back and watches it. Giannis man to man defense is shaky, he’s a great help defender and is long as hell ( ) if you all want to put Draymond over Bam then fine, I still disagree but he’s not getting picked on or shying away from matchups.

Over the next 5-7 years at least the only defender who will be on Bams level and challenge him as the best is Evan Mobley, you heard it here first.

[RexBoyWonder]

Does it even matter if Bam is a top 5 defensive C or a top 2 one and if he's better overall then Gobert or not?

He's our guy, he's probably an Heat lifer. He's playing great. Let's hope he continues to improve in the next couple of years.

The real question isn't about Bam - it's about who besides 36YO PJ Tucker can we play next to Bam without relaying on 200 pounds SFs like K.Martin?

[3ballbomber]

Yoooooooo! Beal will decline his player option…what deals can we make to get cap room for him?

Lowry, Beal, Jimmy, Bam and Yurt wins a championship.
I’m ok giving up Uncan, Herro for Beal.


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Man screw Beal. We been trying to acquire his ass for a minute now & he knows that. Dude keeps chasing that money in Wash. I respect loyalty but when your organisation has been doing nothing to maximise your chances for a Conference title let alone an NBA finals trip it's just pure stupidity at some point. He can rot in Wash for all I care.

[Heat_Down_Under]

Yoooooooo! Beal will decline his player option…what deals can we make to get cap room for him?

Lowry, Beal, Jimmy, Bam and Yurt wins a championship.
I’m ok giving up Uncan, Herro for Beal.


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Man screw Beal. We been trying to acquire his ass for a minute now & he knows that. Dude keeps chasing that money in Wash. I respect loyalty but when your organisation has been doing nothing to maximise your chances for a Conference title let alone an NBA finals trip it's just pure stupidity at some point. He can rot in Wash for all I care.

Agreed he had his chance

[dshearn]

Beal would be an expensive gamble given his recent performance. He is like a 34-million-dollar gamble. I don't think i would trade Herro straight up for him at this point, but i guess that's the bet.

Basically, do we gamble Tucker, Herro and Duncan on a bounce back Beal?

[DayofMourning]

All this Beal talk....man, I've got to change my avatar, lol.

[DayofMourning]

Glad that we've got such a solid core of young players to match with our vets. So many guys about to enter their prime years. Hopefully we can take advantage of Butler and Lowry and their window of opportunity.

[AirP.]

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[gom]

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I think Milsap will be a good buyout player. He fits Spo system at the 4.

I haven't seen him play this season, but Miami might have the same problem giving him minutes once Morris is back (again, assuming that his neck can recover this season.) Nuggets just signed Cousins to a 10-day deal, so that path for Millsap might be blocked.

[gom]

Beal would be an expensive gamble given his recent performance. He is like a 34-million-dollar gamble. I don't think i would trade Herro straight up for him at this point, but i guess that's the bet.

Basically, do we gamble Tucker, Herro and Duncan on a bounce back Beal?

I wouldn't trade Tucker for anyone right now. I want him on the team. I like Beal but if this is the price (& actually you would have to add 2 FRP (2025 & 2027) and 2 pick swaps 2026 & 2028 to make Wizards happy, even adding Herro... smh) easy, easy pass.

For everyone tracking front court options that are free agents without clubs: (ordered alphabetically)

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2019/08/2021-nba-free-agents.html

Harry Giles (after a very bad injury) fell out of the top-10 and had the misfortune of being drafted by the Kings before moving on to the Clippers where he started working (in limited minutes oncourt) on getting range in the game. He shot the 3 at 35%. I don't know about his conditioning or whether it's worth the risk, but the downside does not seem steep. If we have another 10-day to hand out, I'd try him.

My perennial favorite is Tacko Fall. He's a very disruptive presence.

Meyers Leonard is there too. I know he left under a cloud, but he has been busy making amends. I wish we could sign Elle.

[Kobewade11]

Beal would be an expensive gamble given his recent performance. He is like a 34-million-dollar gamble. I don't think i would trade Herro straight up for him at this point, but i guess that's the bet.

Basically, do we gamble Tucker, Herro and Duncan on a bounce back Beal?

Until proven otherwise Beal is just a name. I never really understood this organization's alleged fascination with him either, he's never shown to make his team significantly better. He is the anti-Jimmy in that regard.

[dshearn]

Beal would be an expensive gamble given his recent performance. He is like a 34-million-dollar gamble. I don't think i would trade Herro straight up for him at this point, but i guess that's the bet.

Basically, do we gamble Tucker, Herro and Duncan on a bounce back Beal?

I wouldn't trade Tucker for anyone right now. I want him on the team. I like Beal but if this is the price (& actually you would have to add 2 FRP (2025 & 2027) and 2 pick swaps 2026 & 2028 to make Wizards happy, even adding Herro... smh) easy, easy pass.

For everyone tracking front court options that are free agents without clubs: (ordered alphabetically)

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2019/08/2021-nba-free-agents.html

Harry Giles (after a very bad injury) fell out of the top-10 and had the misfortune of being drafted by the Kings before moving on to the Clippers where he started working (in limited minutes oncourt) on getting range in the game. He shot the 3 at 35%. I don't know about his conditioning or whether it's worth the risk, but the downside does not seem steep. If we have another 10-day to hand out, I'd try him.

My perennial favorite is Tacko Fall. He's a very disruptive presence.

Meyers Leonard is there too. I know he left under a cloud, but he has been busy making amends. I wish we could sign Elle.

I am not a salary cap guy.....

but there is only so many ways to get to 34 million. I could be wrong, maybe there is a way to get there without Tucker.



i am right with you, i would not do it either. Even if the trade could be done straight up, just Herro for Beal....you could lose that trade. Beal is going down not up, and Herro is on the upswing and fits the 3 ball game better. Herro probably is equal or better as a fit today. Next year could be even a bigger difference.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Does it even matter if Bam is a top 5 defensive C or a top 2 one and if he's better overall then Gobert or not?

He's our guy, he's probably an Heat lifer. He's playing great. Let's hope he continues to improve in the next couple of years.

The real question isn't about Bam - it's about who besides 36YO PJ Tucker can we play next to Bam without relaying on 200 pounds SFs like K.Martin?

Honestly feels like we are playing Russian Roulette at the 4 spot right now. Tucker is everything and then some but what if heaven forbid some thing happens to Tucker? Are you going to rely on a 6'5 200 pound SF to continue to play out of his mind banging on the regular down low at the 4 spot? Sure we could have Markieff around the corner but he seems like he's one more bad hit into retirement after basically losing 3 months of the season. He would probably be better served sitting the bench in a 3rd string emergency role at this point if he ever gets back. Our main focus right now should be shoring up the 4 spot not lusting over pie in the sky scenarios for another guard.

[greg4012]

Does it even matter if Bam is a top 5 defensive C or a top 2 one and if he's better overall then Gobert or not?

He's our guy, he's probably an Heat lifer. He's playing great. Let's hope he continues to improve in the next couple of years.

The real question isn't about Bam - it's about who besides 36YO PJ Tucker can we play next to Bam without relaying on 200 pounds SFs like K.Martin?

Honestly feels like we are playing Russian Roulette at the 4 spot right now. Tucker is everything and then some but what if heaven forbid some thing happens to Tucker? Are you going to rely on a 6'5 200 pound SF to continue to play out of his mind banging on the regular down low at the 4 spot? Sure we could have Markieff around the corner but he seems like he's one more bad hit into retirement after basically losing 3 months of the season. He would probably be better served sitting the bench in a 3rd string emergency role at this point if he ever gets back. Our main focus right now should be shoring up the 4 spot not lusting over pie in the sky scenarios for another guard.

Robert Covington
Larry Nance
Christian Wood
PJ Washington

I'm hoping one of these can be attainable in some way

[gom]

Beal would be an expensive gamble given his recent performance. He is like a 34-million-dollar gamble. I don't think i would trade Herro straight up for him at this point, but i guess that's the bet.

Basically, do we gamble Tucker, Herro and Duncan on a bounce back Beal?

I wouldn't trade Tucker for anyone right now. I want him on the team. I like Beal but if this is the price (& actually you would have to add 2 FRP (2025 & 2027) and 2 pick swaps 2026 & 2028 to make Wizards happy, even adding Herro... smh) easy, easy pass.

For everyone tracking front court options that are free agents without clubs: (ordered alphabetically)

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2019/08/2021-nba-free-agents.html

Harry Giles (after a very bad injury) fell out of the top-10 and had the misfortune of being drafted by the Kings before moving on to the Clippers where he started working (in limited minutes oncourt) on getting range in the game. He shot the 3 at 35%. I don't know about his conditioning or whether it's worth the risk, but the downside does not seem steep. If we have another 10-day to hand out, I'd try him.

My perennial favorite is Tacko Fall. He's a very disruptive presence.

Meyers Leonard is there too. I know he left under a cloud, but he has been busy making amends. I wish we could sign Elle.

I am not a salary cap guy.....

but there is only so many ways to get to 34 million. I could be wrong, maybe there is a way to get there without Tucker.



i am right with you, i would not do it either. Even if the trade could be done straight up, just Herro for Beal....you could lose that trade. Beal is going down not up, and Herro is on the upswing and fits the 3 ball game better. Herro probably is equal or better as a fit today. Next year could be even a bigger difference.

You need a third (or fourth) team with cap space to dump $13m. That's not impossible, just costly. We should probably set up a subscription with the Thunder and just send them a pick every two years.

[gom]

Does it even matter if Bam is a top 5 defensive C or a top 2 one and if he's better overall then Gobert or not?

He's our guy, he's probably an Heat lifer. He's playing great. Let's hope he continues to improve in the next couple of years.

The real question isn't about Bam - it's about who besides 36YO PJ Tucker can we play next to Bam without relaying on 200 pounds SFs like K.Martin?

Honestly feels like we are playing Russian Roulette at the 4 spot right now. Tucker is everything and then some but what if heaven forbid some thing happens to Tucker? Are you going to rely on a 6'5 200 pound SF to continue to play out of his mind banging on the regular down low at the 4 spot? Sure we could have Markieff around the corner but he seems like he's one more bad hit into retirement after basically losing 3 months of the season. He would probably be better served sitting the bench in a 3rd string emergency role at this point if he ever gets back. Our main focus right now should be shoring up the 4 spot not lusting over pie in the sky scenarios for another guard.

Robert Covington
Larry Nance
Christian Wood
PJ Washington

I'm hoping one of these can be attainable in some way

Actually, Covington would be a pretty solid get, and Portland ought to be trying to get under the tax. Covington is already past his prime and likely looking for a way out to a contender.

https://ripcityproject.com/2022/01/18/portland-trail-blazers-need-commit-tank-playoff-push/

I can't see a trade working for him, so he would need to be bought out and then there's no telling where he would go, but my guess is the Lakers, Bucks, or Nets. Because.

[MettaWorldPanda]

As for realistic trade targets to shore up the 4 spot with the assets we have and staying under the tax line keeping in mind our most likely offer involves some combination of Robinson 15.6 (2025) and KZ 1.7 (expiring)

PF Thaddeus Young 14.2 (expiring)
PF Marcus Morris Sr 15.6 (2024)
PF Davis Bertans 16 mil (2025)
PF Lauri Markannen 15.7 mil (6 mil partial 2024 or 2025)
C/PF Christian Wood 13.7 (2023)
PF Robert Covington 12.9 (expiring)
C/PF Kelly Olynyk 12.2 (2023 3 mil partial or 2024)
PF Marvin Bagley 11.7 (2022 RFA)
PF Larry Nance Jr 10.7 (2023)