Official Trade Thread - Part XLII

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...What do you think of Terence Davis? He had a helluva game in Hali's absence last night and has some pretty good stats this season.

Puzzled. It started off soooo poorly but this month he looks brilliant. I really can't figure him out.

Terence Davis had a terrific rookie season then declined substantially.

This year, overall, he's been really bad, but it's weird, because it's all about two things --

1) he's shooting a huge number of 3PAs @ 30.6%
2) he's committing almost 45% more fouls than he's ever done in the past

Everything else, overall, is consistent with that outstanding rookie season.

Plus, even this year, if you look at his TS% on 2PAs & FTs, it's .598, which is great. He's also a terrific rebounder for a guard.

[Ruzious]

...What do you think of Terence Davis? He had a helluva game in Hali's absence last night and has some pretty good stats this season.

Puzzled. It started off soooo poorly but this month he looks brilliant. I really can't figure him out.

Terence Davis had a terrific rookie season then declined substantially.

This year, overall, he's been really bad, but it's weird, because it's all about two things --

1) he's shooting a huge number of 3PAs @ 30.6%
2) he's committing almost 45% more fouls than he's ever done in the past

Everything else, overall, is consistent with that outstanding rookie season.

Plus, even this year, if you look at his TS% on 2PAs & FTs, it's .598, which is great. He's also a terrific rebounder for a guard.

If he'd just shoot 3's at the percentage that he's shown he can do in the past, he'd be having an excellent offensive season. He's got the Bradley Beal Blues from downtown.

[Dark Faze]

So much pain looking at how we could have fleeced GSW over the summer. The irony now that Wiggins might make an all-star game while Brad doesn't...

[Bulls2021]

Would any of you consider a trade revolving around Coby White + filler for Kuzma? If you look at Coby's December and January stats, he's simply figured it out. He's looking like one hell of a scorer. Bulls just have too many guards, and it seems like the Wizards have a bunch of PFs.

[Ruzious]

Would any of you consider a trade revolving around Coby White + filler for Kuzma? If you look at Coby's December and January stats, he's simply figured it out. He's looking like one hell of a scorer. Bulls just have too many guards, and it seems like the Wizards have a bunch of PFs.

Nah. I actually like Ayo better.

[Bulls2021]

Would any of you consider a trade revolving around Coby White + filler for Kuzma? If you look at Coby's December and January stats, he's simply figured it out. He's looking like one hell of a scorer. Bulls just have too many guards, and it seems like the Wizards have a bunch of PFs.

Nah. I actually like Ayo better.

Yeah, no chance Ayo would be traded unless it's part of a package for a bigtime player. Ayo is a keeper

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Puzzled. It started off soooo poorly but this month he looks brilliant. I really can't figure him out.

Terence Davis had a terrific rookie season then declined substantially.

This year, overall, he's been really bad, but it's weird, because it's all about two things --

1) he's shooting a huge number of 3PAs @ 30.6%
2) he's committing almost 45% more fouls than he's ever done in the past

Everything else, overall, is consistent with that outstanding rookie season.

Plus, even this year, if you look at his TS% on 2PAs & FTs, it's .598, which is great. He's also a terrific rebounder for a guard.

If he'd just shoot 3's at the percentage that he's shown he can do in the past, he'd be having an excellent offensive season. He's got the Bradley Beal Blues from downtown.

True enough. He shot 38.1% as a rookie, then he declined to 36.7% his second year while increasing his attempts by 24%. This year his 3PAs are up another 10%, but his average has fallen hard.

I'd rather have Terence Davis than either Aaron Holiday or Raul Neto. Mostly b/c he's younger than either of those guys.

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Would any of you consider a trade revolving around Coby White + filler for Kuzma? If you look at Coby's December and January stats, he's simply figured it out. He's looking like one hell of a scorer. Bulls just have too many guards, and it seems like the Wizards have a bunch of PFs.

Nah. I actually like Ayo better.

Yeah, no chance Ayo would be traded unless it's part of a package for a bigtime player. Ayo is a keeper

Not "filler" -- i.e. low-value assets -- but you'd be willing to do a little better than that, wouldn't you? In fact, when you get an asset of a kind you really want/need in a trade, you often have to throw in something that has at least some percentage chance to become a surprising plus for your trade partner. Call it a "roll of the dice" extra.

In this case, the plus might be, say, a low R1 or high R2 pick. Do you have something of that kind to add to your proposal?

[Bulls2021]

Nah. I actually like Ayo better.

Yeah, no chance Ayo would be traded unless it's part of a package for a bigtime player. Ayo is a keeper

Not "filler" -- i.e. low-value assets -- but you'd be willing to do a little better than that, wouldn't you? In fact, when you get an asset of a kind you really want/need in a trade, you often have to throw in something that has at least some percentage chance to become a surprising plus for your trade partner. Call it a "roll of the dice" extra.

In this case, the plus might be, say, a low R1 or high R2 pick. Do you have something of that kind to add to your proposal?

It's tough to include more because Coby has been playing so damn well lately. In 10 games in January he's averaging 17 ppg on a ridiculous 68% TS%. His December was damn good too. His defense has been solid as well. He's only 21 and appears to have figured it out. He's looking like a CJ McCollum type player.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/whiteco01/splits/2022

[pcbothwel]

Yeah, no chance Ayo would be traded unless it's part of a package for a bigtime player. Ayo is a keeper

Not "filler" -- i.e. low-value assets -- but you'd be willing to do a little better than that, wouldn't you? In fact, when you get an asset of a kind you really want/need in a trade, you often have to throw in something that has at least some percentage chance to become a surprising plus for your trade partner. Call it a "roll of the dice" extra.

In this case, the plus might be, say, a low R1 or high R2 pick. Do you have something of that kind to add to your proposal?

It's tough to include more because Coby has been playing so damn well lately. In 10 games in January he's averaging 17 ppg on a ridiculous 68% TS%. His December was damn good too. His defense has been solid as well. He's only 21 and appears to have figured it out. He's looking like a CJ McCollum type player.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/whiteco01/splits/2022

He doesnt have skill set of CJ. He's much more Clarkson/Seth Curry, but still a decent microwave guard to have on the roster.
I would do Kuz for White, Brown/Jones, and the Portland 1st. But nothing less.
That Portland 1st is lotto protected for the next half decade and look ripe for a 3-4 year rebuild. Not that enticing.

[SUPERBALLMAN]

Yeah, no chance Ayo would be traded unless it's part of a package for a bigtime player. Ayo is a keeper

Not "filler" -- i.e. low-value assets -- but you'd be willing to do a little better than that, wouldn't you? In fact, when you get an asset of a kind you really want/need in a trade, you often have to throw in something that has at least some percentage chance to become a surprising plus for your trade partner. Call it a "roll of the dice" extra.

In this case, the plus might be, say, a low R1 or high R2 pick. Do you have something of that kind to add to your proposal?

It's tough to include more because Coby has been playing so damn well lately. In 10 games in January he's averaging 17 ppg on a ridiculous 68% TS%. His December was damn good too. His defense has been solid as well. He's only 21 and appears to have figured it out. He's looking like a CJ McCollum type player.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/whiteco01/splits/2022

Kuz has really become a fan favorite here...

How about something based on Bertans for Caruso? Bertans is good but has been pushed out of the rotation by Kuz, and is the player likely to be moved. Maybe Wiz throw in another Forward prospect in 20yr old Isaiah Todd?

https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7518964

[dckingsfan]

Kuz has really become a fan favorite here...

Yeah, I see zero chance he is moved this year.

[Ruzious]

Would any of you consider a trade revolving around Coby White + filler for Kuzma? If you look at Coby's December and January stats, he's simply figured it out. He's looking like one hell of a scorer. Bulls just have too many guards, and it seems like the Wizards have a bunch of PFs.

Nah. I actually like Ayo better.

Yeah, no chance Ayo would be traded unless it's part of a package for a bigtime player. Ayo is a keeper

Just wondering (and no offense intended) - Did you think that before the last 3 games?

[J-Ves]

Not "filler" -- i.e. low-value assets -- but you'd be willing to do a little better than that, wouldn't you? In fact, when you get an asset of a kind you really want/need in a trade, you often have to throw in something that has at least some percentage chance to become a surprising plus for your trade partner. Call it a "roll of the dice" extra.

In this case, the plus might be, say, a low R1 or high R2 pick. Do you have something of that kind to add to your proposal?

It's tough to include more because Coby has been playing so damn well lately. In 10 games in January he's averaging 17 ppg on a ridiculous 68% TS%. His December was damn good too. His defense has been solid as well. He's only 21 and appears to have figured it out. He's looking like a CJ McCollum type player.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/whiteco01/splits/2022

Kuz has really become a fan favorite here...

How about something based on Bertans for Caruso? Bertans is good but has been pushed out of the rotation by Kuz, and is the player likely to be moved. Maybe Wiz throw in another Forward prospect in 20yr old Isaiah Todd?

https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7518964

Lol. Bertans isn’t going anywhere

[9 and 20]

Now that Ball is out for 2 months, maybe the Bulls want Neto or Holiday? Some kind of larger deal with Kuzma and one of our PGs for Coby White and a draft pick? Kind of messed up to send the dude from Brazil to Chicago in February, tho.

[Dat2U]

Expect: Beal to stay and get maxed to get full value and then he'll give them a year before demanding a trade if they are still treading water.

Expect: Kuz & KCP to stay. Kuz has flashed and KCP is Beal's guy so I expect these two are nearly untouchable.

Expect: Shepp to try to move Deni & Montrezl for Grant, that's no secret. Detroit squeezing for more before deadline and will likely get it. Grant really wants it too and sees a chance to be a #2 option for his hometown team while making a playoff run.

Expect: Either Holiday or Bertans (maybe both) to be moved. Bertans possibly for another anchor deal but either on a shorter contract by a year or for a position of need.

Would not be surprised: If Shepp makes the move the get that protected pick back from the Russ deal (or adjust protections) only to free up the ability to trade that pick and additional pick(s) as part of larger deal to bring in a quality player or two.

[FAH1223]

...What do you think of Terence Davis? He had a helluva game in Hali's absence last night and has some pretty good stats this season.

Puzzled. It started off soooo poorly but this month he looks brilliant. I really can't figure him out.

Terence Davis had a terrific rookie season then declined substantially.

This year, overall, he's been really bad, but it's weird, because it's all about two things --

1) he's shooting a huge number of 3PAs @ 30.6%
2) he's committing almost 45% more fouls than he's ever done in the past

Everything else, overall, is consistent with that outstanding rookie season.

Plus, even this year, if you look at his TS% on 2PAs & FTs, it's .598, which is great. He's also a terrific rebounder for a guard.

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[Frichuela]

Expect: Beal to stay and get maxed to get full value and then he'll give them a year before demanding a trade if they are still treading water.

Expect: Kuz & KCP to stay. Kuz has flashed and KCP is Beal's guy so I expect these two are nearly untouchable.

Expect: Shepp to try to move Deni & Montrezl for Grant, that's no secret. Detroit squeezing for more before deadline and will likely get it. Grant really wants it too and sees a chance to be a #2 option for his hometown team while making a playoff run.

Expect: Either Holiday or Bertans (maybe both) to be moved. Bertans possibly for another anchor deal but either on a shorter contract by a year or for a position of need.

Would not be surprised: If Shepp makes the move the get that protected pick back from the Russ deal (or adjust protections) only to free up the ability to trade that pick and additional pick(s) as part of larger deal to bring in a quality player or two.

Yes. This is likely to happen, given that Beal ain't going nowhere. Full disclosure: I'd trade him for a reasonable package but Tommy (and Terd) won't.

I think it's obvious from reading the tea leaves that Tommy is going hard for Grant. In that case, I hope Tommy is trying his best in negotiating a "discount" with Beal, given that Grant is likely to ask for a lot in his upcoming extension.

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[pcbothwel]

I just keep looking at the schedule and dont see how it shakes out well for us.
- Through the deadline, we have 9 games (Toronto, Boston, LAC, Memphis, Milwaukee, Philly, Suns, Heat, and Nets) in which I cant imagine we win more than 3...MAYBE 4 if we play well.
- That puts us at .500 AT BEST, with 28 games to go. If we overperform and play really well we win ~16/28, Moderate and win 14, poorly and win 10.
- So if everything falls into place, we'll be a 44 win team in the 7th seed... But more likely than not we are a <=.500 team and the 9th seed.
- The team(s) right in front of us (Hornets, Cavs, 76ers) appear to be getting better and will further the gap.
- The team(s) 3/4 teams right behind us (Boston, Toronto, Atlanta) are getting healthy and look to be real problems.

If we dont trade Beal. My first call is to OKC and see if we can get the 2022 Suns 1st (and a future 2nd, maybe our 2023 2nd) in exchange for removing all protections from our 2023 pick to them. Its a real gamble for us if Beal doesnt resign, but thats why OKC would do it.
We then have our unprotected 2022 1st to use in a trade, which I think is a decent asset.
I then monitor the Philly situation and see if a Dinwiddie, Bertans, Kuzma, Rui, Harrell, etc. plus 1st trade package is enough to get Simmons + Harris.
I.E.
Harris, Simmons, Springer, White (Bulls) to DC
Dinwiddie, Bertans, KCP, Harrell, DJJ(Bulls), Rui, Wiz 1st, POR 1st to Philly
Kuz + Holiday to Bulls

Run Beal as the PG in the half court and let Simmons run wild in transition
Beal / White / Springer
Kispert / Ayayi / Springer
Simmons / Deni
Harris / Gill
Bryant / Gafford / Bassey

- Philly: Dinwiddie is a better player, cheaper contract, and better fit in Philly than DeAaron Fox. And Rui + 2 1st is the perfect bridge value to keep their options open in future trades.
KCP + Harrell could also be sent to another team for additional value if Philly cant get them in the rotation.
- Bulls: This trade may not be doable with Ball going down for a few weeks, but they get a great fit for them.
- DC: We take a homerun swing and hope that:
A) Beal/Simmons Lead Guard duo can work, B) Harris bounces back to form, and C) White, Kispert, and Bryant and spread the floor enough for Simmons.