Jokic 49/14/10 as DEN beats LAC

[BelgradeNugget]

I love both their games, I think RealGM has gotten really unreasonable with Jokic, there was a thread asking if he should be DPOY. The thread poll just ignores Giannis, who is still the best player in the league. The idea that Embiid isn't on his level is crazy to me, since it's pretty much accepted that Embiid would have won the MVP last year if he didn't get hurt.

Just my thoughts on this topic:
1. They both are great players
2. Treads about Jokic as DPOY or Jokic better than Wilt etc. are stupid
3. Treads about Embiid being better than Jokic or having as good a season as Jokic, on RealGM a month ago, were stupid because he was not close then. In the last month or so with his great play Embiid is in conversation as MVP candidate or best Center in the league
4. It is not accepted that Embiid would have won MVP if he didn't get hurt. Embiid was in front for some people, because his team was 1st in the East while the Nuggets were 5th in the west. Nuggets finished 3rd in the west and Jokic was better by every advanced stat. So If Embiid wasn't hurt there is a chance that difference wouldn't be 91-1 in first place votes for Jokic, but as I see it majority of people here still think that Jokic would have won.

He most likely wins it last year, they had a 76.47 winning percentage with him on the court, they were 10-11 in the games he missed and 49-23 overall. They'd have the best record in the league if he even played another 10 games, best record with dominant numbers gets you the MVP 10 out of 10 times.

They are both great, they are both behind Giannis, who I think would be a horrible matchup for both in a series.

There was also one stretch of games last year that was telling a lot. From 4/20/2021 76ers were playing without Ben Simmons and had tough opponents ahead of them. Lost games against GS, PHO, and Bucks. They had to play Bucks again on 4/24/2021 and Embiid decides to take a seat. MVPs don't do that.
https://www.espn.com/nba/team/schedule/_/name/phi/season/2021

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Just my thoughts on this topic:
1. They both are great players
2. Treads about Jokic as DPOY or Jokic better than Wilt etc. are stupid
3. Treads about Embiid being better than Jokic or having as good a season as Jokic, on RealGM a month ago, were stupid because he was not close then. In the last month or so with his great play Embiid is in conversation as MVP candidate or best Center in the league
4. It is not accepted that Embiid would have won MVP if he didn't get hurt. Embiid was in front for some people, because his team was 1st in the East while the Nuggets were 5th in the west. Nuggets finished 3rd in the west and Jokic was better by every advanced stat. So If Embiid wasn't hurt there is a chance that difference wouldn't be 91-1 in first place votes for Jokic, but as I see it majority of people here still think that Jokic would have won.

He most likely wins it last year, they had a 76.47 winning percentage with him on the court, they were 10-11 in the games he missed and 49-23 overall. They'd have the best record in the league if he even played another 10 games, best record with dominant numbers gets you the MVP 10 out of 10 times.

They are both great, they are both behind Giannis, who I think would be a horrible matchup for both in a series.

Yeah but he didn’t because he got hurt...so he didn’t win the MVP on this earth but maybe embiid did stay healthy and won mvp on earth 15121....but last year Jokic was MVP...and Embiids last month doesn’t change history.

He always gets hurt, that doesn't take away from ability and what he is when he's on the court.


Listen, I'm a Knick fan, I see Jokic is coming up on urfa after next season, he's my top dream choice I just don't think he and Embiid are that far apart if there's any gap at all.

[BelgradeNugget]

So out of 19 categories listed there that Jokic is leading in, a person named Embiidhomie says that 2 of them are skewed because Jokic gets lots of defensive rebounds (cause that's a bad thing i guess, didnt know) and you are using that as an argument in this discussion? Embiid is destroying the competition in the past month and you can talk about different aspects of that run justifiably, but you use this? Common man.

Also, didnt someone post that Jokic has highest % of contested rebounds? Maybe someone can look up that stat (i have no idea where to look for it) but that would kinda put a damper on that statement if true.

Some interested stats. Jokic is:

1st among Centers in stl
https://www.nba.com/stats/players/defense/?sort=STL&dir=-1&Season=2021-22&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&PlayerPosition=C

2nd in Deflections
https://www.nba.com/stats/players/hustle/?sort=DEFLECTIONS&dir=1&Season=2021-22&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&PlayerPosition=C

3rd in Box Outs
https://www.nba.com/stats/players/box-outs/?sort=BOX_OUTS&dir=1

4th in Contested shots
https://www.nba.com/stats/players/hustle/?sort=CONTESTED_SHOTS&dir=1

So it looks like he is contesting shots AND boxing out AND rebounding

[Cubbies2120]

So out of 19 categories listed there that Jokic is leading in, a person named Embiidhomie says that 2 of them are skewed because Jokic gets lots of defensive rebounds (cause that's a bad thing i guess, didnt know) and you are using that as an argument in this discussion? Embiid is destroying the competition in the past month and you can talk about different aspects of that run justifiably, but you use this? Common man.

Also, didnt someone post that Jokic has highest % of contested rebounds? Maybe someone can look up that stat (i have no idea where to look for it) but that would kinda put a damper on that statement if true.

Some interested stats. Jokic is:

1st among Centers in stl
https://www.nba.com/stats/players/defense/?sort=STL&dir=-1&Season=2021-22&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&PlayerPosition=C

2nd in Deflections
https://www.nba.com/stats/players/hustle/?sort=DEFLECTIONS&dir=1&Season=2021-22&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&PlayerPosition=C

3rd in Box Outs
https://www.nba.com/stats/players/box-outs/?sort=BOX_OUTS&dir=1

4th in Contested shots
https://www.nba.com/stats/players/hustle/?sort=CONTESTED_SHOTS&dir=1

So it looks like he is contesting shots AND boxing out AND rebounding

Please, stop posting statistical evidence. We need to take him at his word and what passes his "eye test".

Also, just to add on to your list, Jokic leads the NBA in contested rebounds per game, Embiid is 14th, or almost two full rebounds a game less.

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/rebounding/?sort=REB_CONTEST&dir=1

[SS_Carpathia]

He did just beat a team without its own two best players playing, but yeah, he is at worst top 3 with Giannis and KD.

Morris and Batum were also out.

He also should have been kicked out of the game- after already getting a technical he got in the face of the ref and yelled at him.

He may be a great player, but he has a terrible temper.

Markieff Morris still out isn't he. Perhaps Jokic should have been suspended for much longer considering the damage he did to Morris. I know the Morris twins aren't "likable", but that doesn't justify such boorish behavior

Lol. Didn't have it in you to say even a single positive thing after such a performance, did you? Straight away started making excuses (by mentioning such greats as Morris and Batum, no less!), then made a very weird segue to the Morris incident, which has zero to do with this game. Rather absurd...

[Hussien Fatal]

I can’t wait till the 76ers and Nuggets face off again on Mar 14th that way we can see them at the height of their powers....hopefully Embiid will be healthy

Embiid is 4-1 vs Jokic

In those 5 games Embiid was outplayed by Jokic. He shoots 37.6% (yes, thirty seven percent, 29/77) in those games. Jokic is 41/84 at 48.9%. Literally shooting over 10% better.

He has absolutely dominated the matchups.

Lol what’s funny is Joel can play wayyyy below his standards and he can still win VS Jokic he’s 4-1 vs Jokic and he didn’t even need to shoot 38% to win 4 out of 5 games they played against each other.

[Cubbies2120]

Embiid is 4-1 vs Jokic

In those 5 games Embiid was outplayed by Jokic. He shoots 37.6% (yes, thirty seven percent, 29/77) in those games. Jokic is 41/84 at 48.9%. Literally shooting over 10% better.

He has absolutely dominated the matchups.

Lol what’s funny is Joel can play wayyyy below his standards and he can still win VS Jokic he’s 4-1 vs Jokic and he didn’t even need to shoot 38% to win 4 out of 5 games they played against each other.

That's one way of looking at it.

The other way is that Jokic makes Embiid shoot worse than Iverson's worst ever year, while Jokic puts up better numbers than Embiid's career averages...

Jokic has absolutely sonned Embiid in their matchups, while Embiid's teammates carry him to the regular season victory.

To put it in perspective, Embiid needs to go 18/20 in their next matchup just to catch up to the dominance Jokic has been displaying.

[Infinite Llamas]

I love both their games, I think RealGM has gotten really unreasonable with Jokic, there was a thread asking if he should be DPOY. The thread poll just ignores Giannis, who is still the best player in the league. The idea that Embiid isn't on his level is crazy to me, since it's pretty much accepted that Embiid would have won the MVP last year if he didn't get hurt.

Just my thoughts on this topic:
1. They both are great players
2. Treads about Jokic as DPOY or Jokic better than Wilt etc. are stupid
3. Treads about Embiid being better than Jokic or having as good a season as Jokic, on RealGM a month ago, were stupid because he was not close then. In the last month or so with his great play Embiid is in conversation as MVP candidate or best Center in the league
4. It is not accepted that Embiid would have won MVP if he didn't get hurt. Embiid was in front for some people, because his team was 1st in the East while the Nuggets were 5th in the west. Nuggets finished 3rd in the west and Jokic was better by every advanced stat. So If Embiid wasn't hurt there is a chance that difference wouldn't be 91-1 in first place votes for Jokic, but as I see it majority of people here still think that Jokic would have won.

He most likely wins it last year, they had a 76.47 winning percentage with him on the court, they were 10-11 in the games he missed and 49-23 overall. They'd have the best record in the league if he even played another 10 games, best record with dominant numbers gets you the MVP 10 out of 10 times.

They are both great, they are both behind Giannis, who I think would be a horrible matchup for both in a series.

I put Jokic and Giannis on the same level. They both dominate but in different ways. Denver is also 3-1 against Milwaukee in the past two years so Jokic has had success against that team in the past.

[GeorgeSears]

That assist that Jokic made is up there as one of the greatest of all time. It's there with Peja Stojakovic's behind the back full court pass, Kyle Lowry's inbound pass, Jason Williams' full court bounce pass.

LMAO, if you look up hyperbole in the dictionary, you're going to see a screen shot of what you just wrote.

Good god, people will just say anything these days.

It's subjective, of course, but in terms of degree of difficulty and considering the situation, have you seen better?

[Woodsanity]

Embiid is 4-1 vs Jokic

In those 5 games Embiid was outplayed by Jokic. He shoots 37.6% (yes, thirty seven percent, 29/77) in those games. Jokic is 41/84 at 48.9%. Literally shooting over 10% better.

He has absolutely dominated the matchups.

Lol what’s funny is Joel can play wayyyy below his standards and he can still win VS Jokic he’s 4-1 vs Jokic and he didn’t even need to shoot 38% to win 4 out of 5 games they played against each other.

So you are admitting Embiid has a better team than Jokic?

[mcmurphy]

In those 5 games Embiid was outplayed by Jokic. He shoots 37.6% (yes, thirty seven percent, 29/77) in those games. Jokic is 41/84 at 48.9%. Literally shooting over 10% better.

He has absolutely dominated the matchups.

Lol what’s funny is Joel can play wayyyy below his standards and he can still win VS Jokic he’s 4-1 vs Jokic and he didn’t even need to shoot 38% to win 4 out of 5 games they played against each other.

So you are admitting Embiid has a better team than Jokic?

no, he admitted that Embiid has a team so superior to Jokic's that the team won despite Embiid's poor performance... all without realizing it

[AleksandarN]

I can’t wait till the 76ers and Nuggets face off again on Mar 14th that way we can see them at the height of their powers....hopefully Embiid will be healthy

Embiid is 4-1 vs Jokic

You do know they haven’t played since 2019 almost three years ago. But sure bring up their head to head lmao

[AleksandarN]

Embiid is 4-1 vs Jokic

How many years they been in the league to only have played 5 times?

Also we not talking about who wins, cause hell Embiid and Jokic best players on court damn near everytime they lose. For Zeus and Odins sake the Wiz just be the sixers.

I just want to see these two face off because at this point this thread got me loving both of these guys even more!

I love both their games, I think RealGM has gotten really unreasonable with Jokic, there was a thread asking if he should be DPOY. The thread poll just ignores Giannis, who is still the best player in the league. The idea that Embiid isn't on his level is crazy to me, since it's pretty much accepted that Embiid would have won the MVP last year if he didn't get hurt.

You do know that the only reason why Embiid was a head of jokic last year in the mvp at that time was because of team records at the time. Denver was just barely above 500 at that time. Jokic had the better numbers. Then what happened? Denver’s record improved even with Murray done for the season. Jokic had the better season. So that Embiid narrative is hogwash.

[CobraCommander]

Embiid is 4-1 vs Jokic

In those 5 games Embiid was outplayed by Jokic. He shoots 37.6% (yes, thirty seven percent, 29/77) in those games. Jokic is 41/84 at 48.9%. Literally shooting over 10% better.

He has absolutely dominated the matchups.

Lol what’s funny is Joel can play wayyyy below his standards and he can still win VS Jokic he’s 4-1 vs Jokic and he didn’t even need to shoot 38% to win 4 out of 5 games they played against each other.

So you saying that Embiid has a better team BUT Jokic is the better player....




Then I’m out

[Cubbies2120]

Lot of white saviour in the Jokic debate. Lots of white men vicariously living through him why you can't get an honest debate when comparing him and embiid. embiid is better and it's not close.

Needed overtime to beat a clippers team missing it's two best players. Not MVP worthy.

Such a terrible take that you thought it was threadworthy? Strike for race baiting
-zimpy27

Hahahaha imagine criticizing Jokic for needing overtime to beat the Clippers, then Embiid losing to the same Clippers he got absolutely BODIED by Zubac for that key rebound late in the 4th too

[CobraCommander]

Lot of white saviour in the Jokic debate. Lots of white men vicariously living through him why you can't get an honest debate when comparing him and embiid. embiid is better and it's not close.

Needed overtime to beat a clippers team missing it's two best players. Not MVP worthy.

Such a terrible take that you thought it was threadworthy? Strike for race baiting
-zimpy27

Hahahaha imagine criticizing Jokic for needing overtime to beat the Clippers, then Embiid losing to the same Clippers he got absolutely BODIED by Zubac for that key rebound late in the 4th too

Bringing race into a basketball debate when white Jokic and black Embiid have more in common physically with each other than they have with any NONE 7 foot human basketball god is actually the height of ignorance-

On and one more thing that people might know black people generally can’t jump like Ja... Ja is a freak of nature