[Lewenberg] Sources say Raptors intend to be buyers this deadline

[JB7]

But if alignment in age is your argument why not try and trade Barnes as well for someone who is similar to Fred and Pascal?

I think Poeltl is a better fit overall than Precious. Adds more size at C (rim protection), plus he is better at rolling to the rim on offence to draw in the defense of the opponent, and his age is not a deterrent, because the core (FVV, PS, OG) are all close to that age. I think Poeltl's age is more of a deterrent for SAS, because they appear to be going into full rebuild. By the time they are competitive again, he will be well into his 30's. And he is not a player you build around. More of a great complement to a strong core.

I would never trade Barnes, unless it was a deal that could not be refused (another better young star player). The hope is Barnes can develop quickly to being the clutch scorer for the team at the end of games. But even if that takes 2-3 years, the rest of the core is still young enough to still be in their primes for another run at the championship.

The reason the NBA has no clear dominant team is age and injuries are catching up with all of the current superstars. The Raptors could be looking at another competitive window in a couple of years as Lebron, Durant, Curry/Draymond, CP3 age out.

Raptors want to make Achiuwa their future long term starting C. They are ok with sacrificing size in the middle. Precious has shown he has the offensive tools and defensive ability. He can shoot out to the 3point line, and dribble drive half the court. His D is already good. He needs to get better at everything and he could be one of the best, or at least well rounded, C in the league. Raptors figure they can get him there. It's too soon to change their minds on him. And Birch is supposed to be the stand in untill precious gets there. I really don't think they're going to go get another starting C.

Besides all that though, they'll probably take almost any decent player for Dragic so if if happens to be Poeltl, then great.

If the Raps interest in a starting C is true, maybe after seeing Precious up close, they don't feel he is the long term option at C, if there are better options available.

To get a Poeltl or Turner will cost the team assets, so after moving those assets, I don't see the team walking away from either Poeltl or Turner when their contracts expire after next season. So where would the minutes be for Precious?

I think the Raptors will develop Precious into their starting C, if nothing else materializes.

[alienchild]

I think Poeltl is a better fit overall than Precious. Adds more size at C (rim protection), plus he is better at rolling to the rim on offence to draw in the defense of the opponent, and his age is not a deterrent, because the core (FVV, PS, OG) are all close to that age. I think Poeltl's age is more of a deterrent for SAS, because they appear to be going into full rebuild. By the time they are competitive again, he will be well into his 30's. And he is not a player you build around. More of a great complement to a strong core.

I would never trade Barnes, unless it was a deal that could not be refused (another better young star player). The hope is Barnes can develop quickly to being the clutch scorer for the team at the end of games. But even if that takes 2-3 years, the rest of the core is still young enough to still be in their primes for another run at the championship.

The reason the NBA has no clear dominant team is age and injuries are catching up with all of the current superstars. The Raptors could be looking at another competitive window in a couple of years as Lebron, Durant, Curry/Draymond, CP3 age out.

Raptors want to make Achiuwa their future long term starting C. They are ok with sacrificing size in the middle. Precious has shown he has the offensive tools and defensive ability. He can shoot out to the 3point line, and dribble drive half the court. His D is already good. He needs to get better at everything and he could be one of the best, or at least well rounded, C in the league. Raptors figure they can get him there. It's too soon to change their minds on him. And Birch is supposed to be the stand in untill precious gets there. I really don't think they're going to go get another starting C.

Besides all that though, they'll probably take almost any decent player for Dragic so if if happens to be Poeltl, then great.

If the Raps interest in a starting C is true, maybe after seeing Precious up close, they don't feel he is the long term option at C, if there are better options available.

To get a Poeltl or Turner will cost the team assets, so after moving those assets, I don't see the team walking away from either Poeltl or Turner when their contracts expire after next season. So where would the minutes be for Precious?

I think the Raptors will develop Precious into their starting C, if nothing else materializes.

Actually, it's a figment of RGM's misguided imagination.

[vulture]

I still don't believe this is a playoff team so as long as they don't give up a FRP then I'm cool.

[BHF]

Bring AD home, I know he is made of glass but id take the chance and try for another championship run

[JB7]

But if alignment in age is your argument why not try and trade Barnes as well for someone who is similar to Fred and Pascal?

I think Poeltl is a better fit overall than Precious. Adds more size at C (rim protection), plus he is better at rolling to the rim on offence to draw in the defense of the opponent, and his age is not a deterrent, because the core (FVV, PS, OG) are all close to that age. I think Poeltl's age is more of a deterrent for SAS, because they appear to be going into full rebuild. By the time they are competitive again, he will be well into his 30's. And he is not a player you build around. More of a great complement to a strong core.

I would never trade Barnes, unless it was a deal that could not be refused (another better young star player). The hope is Barnes can develop quickly to being the clutch scorer for the team at the end of games. But even if that takes 2-3 years, the rest of the core is still young enough to still be in their primes for another run at the championship.

The reason the NBA has no clear dominant team is age and injuries are catching up with all of the current superstars. The Raptors could be looking at another competitive window in a couple of years as Lebron, Durant, Curry/Draymond, CP3 age out.

The big concern with Poeltl is spacing. He's a good defender with the probably the lighest feet in the league at centre but he'll clog the lane for Pascal and Freddie on offense. If we make the playoffs, I could see teams hack-a-Poeltl as he's only shooting free throws in the 30s%. He's regressed badly in that area.

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I think the spacing issue is overblown. Not everyone on the floor needs to shoot threes. The Raps have enough other players that can hit an open 3 to justify one player that cannot hit them. In terms of the hack-a-Poeltl strategy, it would usually happen late in games, and the team could just pull him, and use PS, OG, Barnes, GTJ and FVV.

In terms of the clogging up the lane, I think he would help there as he can actually get into the lane and score fairly efficiently. Raps don't have a lot of that on the team. It would also open up more clear looks for their shooters (FVV & GTJ).

In terms of the RAPTOR metric (both Overall and WAR), Poeltl ranks 20th and 26th overall in the league. Only behind C's like Jokic, Gobert, Embiid, Allen, Sabonis and Valanciunas.

[lobosloboslobos]

Lewenberg poses the situation in a good way:

Have president Masai Ujiri and general manager Bobby Webster seen enough from this young group to expedite the timeline and make a run in this wide-open Eastern Conference?

I say yes. Without touching the core 5, add to them with a young vet who can help now and stay awhile too.

There isn't a single scary team in the east. anything is possible.

[JB7]

Raptors want to make Achiuwa their future long term starting C. They are ok with sacrificing size in the middle. Precious has shown he has the offensive tools and defensive ability. He can shoot out to the 3point line, and dribble drive half the court. His D is already good. He needs to get better at everything and he could be one of the best, or at least well rounded, C in the league. Raptors figure they can get him there. It's too soon to change their minds on him. And Birch is supposed to be the stand in untill precious gets there. I really don't think they're going to go get another starting C.

Besides all that though, they'll probably take almost any decent player for Dragic so if if happens to be Poeltl, then great.

If the Raps interest in a starting C is true, maybe after seeing Precious up close, they don't feel he is the long term option at C, if there are better options available.

To get a Poeltl or Turner will cost the team assets, so after moving those assets, I don't see the team walking away from either Poeltl or Turner when their contracts expire after next season. So where would the minutes be for Precious?

I think the Raptors will develop Precious into their starting C, if nothing else materializes.

Actually, it's a figment of RGM's misguided imagination.

The articles about the Raptors being interested in Turner and Poeltl could be leaks from other teams.

[pcc]

Don't get the obsession with Poeltl. He adds a win or two but doesn't move the needle whatsoever.

He would be a notable improvement over what we have now and could be a part of what we hope will be the next contender.

I don't see trading for Poeltl as a deadline move though. That feels more like a draft/offseason move if something was going to happen. You'd probably want to see who else is out there. I think someone like Turner is more likely as a deadline deal. (I still doubt that happens either).

Queta is better and much cheaper. Sacramento will pass on him cause they have 15 centers in their roster

[dagger]

I'm pondering if there is any way to get Josh Hart from New Orleans. Not sure what to offer, but he would check a number of boxes.

[ash_k]

Glad to hear that.
Only a blind man can't see how dangerous this team can be once everybody is in the lineup (+ a starting Center)
Too many injuries (Siakam and OG) have derailed what would have been a top-of-the standings type of season
FVV|OG|Barnes|Pascal is top-level.
Reminder: FVV, OG and Pascal were all starters when we ended with the second best overall record in the NBA; just 2 seasons ago.

[vulture]

I'm pondering if there is any way to get Josh Hart from New Orleans. Not sure what to offer, but he would check a number of boxes.

He's played well and his contract is non-guaranteed for the next 2 seasons. I just don't think they would trade him for less than a FRP and matching salary is difficult unless they want dragic.

[Tha Cynic]

When is our local media ever right about anything? This is probably just a guess.

But if i were to guess what this team looks to address, backup PG and 3 point shooters off the bench is probably at the top. They have enough big men who they have been successful with. Aichuwa is coming along nicely.

If you can flip Boucher for some sort of guard help, I think you do it.

[srhcan]

The February 10 trade deadline is three weeks away and, according to multiple league and team sources, the Raptors intend to operate as buyers

https://www.tsn.ca/trade-deadline-should-tell-us-how-much-raptors-are-prioritizing-short-term-success-1.1748547

Bringing home Poeltl or Turner?

It will make sense only if that player is a starter caliber player.

[Madhouse]

I think a deal for Poeltl makes a lot of sense for the Raps. Addresses a need for a starting C that has probably been the most glaring need in their starting line-up. It also allows the remaining core players to settle into more appropriate roles.

I think a deal of Achiuwa and Boucher (plus maybe a 2 round draft pick) for Poeltl makes sense for both sides. Poeltl doesn't move the needle enough for SAS to invest in him, especially since he will be 28 at the start of his new deal (SAS is finally committing to the rebuild). But his age fits perfectly with where the Raps are at with their core.

Lineup:
C) Poeltl 32 mins (Birch 16mins)
PF) Siakam 24mins (Barnes 24mins)
SF) Anunoby 36mins (Barnes 12mins)
SG) Trent Jr. 36mins (Mykhailiuk 12mins)
PG) VanVleet 36mins (Siakam 12mins)

Achiuwa gives SAS a young big on a controllable contract, with future potential for development. For the Raptors, there are less mins for Achiuwa if Poeltl is coming in, and Birch is someone Nurse would trust more coming off the bench.

Boucher gives SAS an interesting piece, they of all teams could resign.

And adding Poeltl to the starting lineup allows the Raps to strengthen their bench by moving Barnes into the 6th man role. He could play the same number of minutes, just more in a supporting role, until he is ready to assume a larger role (hopefully number 1 option) in a couple years time.

Birch and Mykhailiuk provide just enough minutes off the bench to keep the top 6 around 36mins a game.

And in terms of who ends the game, I think Nurse just goes with the strongest 5 (of the core 6) in any given game.

But if alignment in age is your argument why not try and trade Barnes as well for someone who is similar to Fred and Pascal?

I think Poeltl is a better fit overall than Precious. Adds more size at C (rim protection), plus he is better at rolling to the rim on offence to draw in the defense of the opponent, and his age is not a deterrent, because the core (FVV, PS, OG) are all close to that age. I think Poeltl's age is more of a deterrent for SAS, because they appear to be going into full rebuild. By the time they are competitive again, he will be well into his 30's. And he is not a player you build around. More of a great complement to a strong core.

I would never trade Barnes, unless it was a deal that could not be refused (another better young star player). The hope is Barnes can develop quickly to being the clutch scorer for the team at the end of games. But even if that takes 2-3 years, the rest of the core is still young enough to still be in their primes for another run at the championship.

The reason the NBA has no clear dominant team is age and injuries are catching up with all of the current superstars. The Raptors could be looking at another competitive window in a couple of years as Lebron, Durant, Curry/Draymond, CP3 age out.

I don't really understand the purpose behind it. Poeltl is better than Precious right now, so I would understand the move if you want to compete now. But then we might as well and trade Barnes to go all in and compete in a 3-4 year window. I wouldn't keep 1 longterm project and trade the other or vice versa, there needs to be a clear direction.

Poeltl is also a 2023 expiring so you would have a clean slate there with Trent and FVV also expiring.

[Rodrickle]

I'm pondering if there is any way to get Josh Hart from New Orleans. Not sure what to offer, but he would check a number of boxes.

I'd send them Dragic and a protected 1st for Hayes and Hart. They may want a 1st to later trade for an impact player.

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[Psubs]

I'm pondering if there is any way to get Josh Hart from New Orleans. Not sure what to offer, but he would check a number of boxes.

Doesn't Champaganie bring almost similar skillset to Hart though with 4-5 years less experience?

[Psubs]

The February 10 trade deadline is three weeks away and, according to multiple league and team sources, the Raptors intend to operate as buyers

https://www.tsn.ca/trade-deadline-should-tell-us-how-much-raptors-are-prioritizing-short-term-success-1.1748547

Bringing home Poeltl or Turner?

It will make sense only if that player is a starter caliber player.

Almost any trade that can send Dragic out makes sense. Next trade chip would be Boucher expiring.

[pingpongrac]

I'm pondering if there is any way to get Josh Hart from New Orleans. Not sure what to offer, but he would check a number of boxes.

Doesn't Champaganie bring almost similar skillset to Hart though with 4-5 years less experience?

Hart can handle the ball, he is an improving playmaker and he is a proven decent shooter. He would definitely be a great add for a team that needs bench playmaking/shooting. As others have said though, we don't really have the contracts to make a move for him.

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[DelAbbot]

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This does not line up with what NN said.

[TeamDisgruntled]

If San Antonio was looking to get off derrik Whites deal I can envision a trade involving White&Poetl for Dragic&Boucher+sweetener in which we may not have to give up a first. Maybe that’s just my bias speaking though.