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Re: State of Cowboys Union? 

Post#581 » by Mr B » Tue Jan 18, 2022 5:47 pm

bluejerseyjinx wrote:I hope we don't resign Aamari Cooper. He is not worth 21 million a year for a guy that doesn't show up every week and only had 2 catches in Sunday's game. of course Lamb only had one so what the ****, right. Gregory is not worth resigning, I never wanted him anyway and I don't want a guy that that is getting payed his kind of money when he can't even line up on the right side of the ball in a big game. I just wish there is a way we could get rid of Elliot. Nothing will ever get better with him and if he is our RB next season, I can't see the Cowboys even making the playoffs. All Elliot cares about is his partying, doing molly, figuring out how many nose rings to have next season, whats my hair going to look like and getting his dick sucked.

So you’re saying but the team and suck for the next 10 years? That’s your plan?
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Re: State of Cowboys Union? 

Post#582 » by Mr B » Tue Jan 18, 2022 5:50 pm

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bluejerseyjinx wrote:I can't see the Cowboys even making the playoffs.

Overreaction. That division is still garbage. The Giants are a mess. Washington still doesn't have a QB. Jalen Hurts isn't that guy. You know this to be true.

The Giants are going nowhere anytime soon. The Cowboys should still be in the mix for the NFC East title and playoff spot next year. Although the Eagles and Washington should be much better next year. Considering the trend of no one repeating as NFC East winners (what is it like 17 straight seasons?) I expect Philly or Washington to win the East next year and Dallas will battle for a Wildcard spot.
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Re: State of Cowboys Union? 

Post#583 » by Mr B » Tue Jan 18, 2022 5:52 pm

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bluejerseyjinx wrote:I can't see the Cowboys even making the playoffs.

Overreaction. That division is still garbage. The Giants are a mess. Washington still doesn't have a QB. Jalen Hurts isn't that guy. You know this to be true.

Cowboys have some serious decisions to make that will hugely impact their salary cap going into next season. NFC east is not that good but I will go on record and say that will not be as good next year as they were this year. If your senario stays true, it will be another one and done. Its not an overreaction. Cowboys are not that good.

Honestly I never worry about the salary cap. The Cowboys always prefer to sign their own players instead of high priced free agents from other teams and they have never lost anyone they wanted to keep.
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Re: State of Cowboys Union? 

Post#584 » by bluejerseyjinx » Tue Jan 18, 2022 7:05 pm

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Cactus Jack wrote:Overreaction. That division is still garbage. The Giants are a mess. Washington still doesn't have a QB. Jalen Hurts isn't that guy. You know this to be true.

Cowboys have some serious decisions to make that will hugely impact their salary cap going into next season. NFC east is not that good but I will go on record and say that will not be as good next year as they were this year. If your senario stays true, it will be another one and done. Its not an overreaction. Cowboys are not that good.

Honestly I never worry about the salary cap. The Cowboys always prefer to sign their own players instead of high priced free agents from other teams and they have never lost anyone they wanted to keep.

So lets just rid of Elliot then. Who wants to keep him? I surely don't. Hell with it and the salary cap.
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Post#585 » by Mr B » Tue Jan 18, 2022 11:59 pm

I’d rather use that money to retain some of guys they’d like to keep like Dalton Schultz.
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Re: State of Cowboys Union? 

Post#586 » by bluejerseyjinx » Wed Jan 19, 2022 1:32 am

I'd rather us use extra resources to keep building the defense where there is some great promise. Done with the offense till we replace junkie ass Zeke and dumbass Dak.
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Re: State of Cowboys Union? 

Post#587 » by Mr B » Wed Jan 19, 2022 1:39 am

bluejerseyjinx wrote:I'd rather us use extra resources to keep building the defense where there is some great promise. Done with the offense till we replace junkie ass Zeke and dumbass Dak.

If you cut Zeke this off season you can’t spend money to help the defense. Because of his dead money number there wouldn’t be any money left.
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Post#588 » by Otis Driftwood » Wed Jan 19, 2022 1:51 am

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bluejerseyjinx wrote:I'd rather us use extra resources to keep building the defense where there is some great promise. Done with the offense till we replace junkie ass Zeke and dumbass Dak.

If you cut Zeke this off season you can’t spend money to help the defense. Because of his dead money number there wouldn’t be any money left.

Yeah. A $30M cap hit is a little unwieldy isn’t it…


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Re: State of Cowboys Union? 

Post#589 » by Mr B » Wed Jan 19, 2022 3:31 am

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bluejerseyjinx wrote:I'd rather us use extra resources to keep building the defense where there is some great promise. Done with the offense till we replace junkie ass Zeke and dumbass Dak.

If you cut Zeke this off season you can’t spend money to help the defense. Because of his dead money number there wouldn’t be any money left.

Yeah. A $30M cap hit is a little unwieldy isn’t it…


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Yea his cap but alone would wipe out any space they might have. They have a lot of free agents this off season. They’re going to let most of them walk I would think but there are a couple they want/need to keep.

For me I would like them to keep Cedrick Wilson, Jayron Kearse, Malik Turner, Carlos Watkins, and Luke Gifford. I would like a Gregory back too but only at the right price. I’m not giving him Demarcus Lawrence money. Kearse likely goes wherever Quinn goes.

Here is a good article that puts all their free agents in tiers.

https://www.dallascowboys.com/news/dividing-22-unrestricted-free-agents-into-4-groups
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Post#590 » by Otis Driftwood » Wed Jan 19, 2022 12:25 pm

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Mr B wrote:If you cut Zeke this off season you can’t spend money to help the defense. Because of his dead money number there wouldn’t be any money left.

Yeah. A $30M cap hit is a little unwieldy isn’t it…


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Yea his cap but alone would wipe out any space they might have. They have a lot of free agents this off season. They’re going to let most of them walk I would think but there are a couple they want/need to keep.

For me I would like them to keep Cedrick Wilson, Jayron Kearse, Malik Turner, Carlos Watkins, and Luke Gifford. I would like a Gregory back too but only at the right price. I’m not giving him Demarcus Lawrence money. Kearse likely goes wherever Quinn goes.

Here is a good article that puts all their free agents in tiers.

https://www.dallascowboys.com/news/dividing-22-unrestricted-free-agents-into-4-groups

With you on both Wilson & Gregory. I’d like Wilson over Gallup strictly on his versatility. And I hope Gregory will give Jerry a little hometown discount based on how Jerry has been there for him the past few years. He owes Jerry that. Hate losing Kearse but he’s not staying. The biggie in all this is Cooper. I don’t think he’ll agree to rework his deal. So he’s gone.


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Post#591 » by bluejerseyjinx » Wed Jan 19, 2022 2:52 pm

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bluejerseyjinx wrote:I'd rather us use extra resources to keep building the defense where there is some great promise. Done with the offense till we replace junkie ass Zeke and dumbass Dak.

If you cut Zeke this off season you can’t spend money to help the defense. Because of his dead money number there wouldn’t be any money left.

I understand that. you explained all that last year and you are right. I know that. My point is Elliot is coming back so Cowboy fans should not expect the running game and offense to be any better next season than it was last Sunday. That's all I'm trying to say. Elliot is cashed and worn out. He's done except he gets to come back next season at our expense to collect a paycheck with below average results. IMHO Jerry sure got the wrong of the end of the stick on this contract. Nice job. I remember back when he was drafted. I believe both you, I and Otis all had someone else in mind instead of drafting Elliot that night.
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Post#592 » by Mr B » Wed Jan 19, 2022 5:10 pm

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bluejerseyjinx wrote:I'd rather us use extra resources to keep building the defense where there is some great promise. Done with the offense till we replace junkie ass Zeke and dumbass Dak.

If you cut Zeke this off season you can’t spend money to help the defense. Because of his dead money number there wouldn’t be any money left.

I understand that. you explained all that last year and you are right. I know that. My point is Elliot is coming back so Cowboy fans should not expect the running game and offense to be any better nest season than it was last Sunday. That's all I'm trying to say. Elliot is cashed and worn out. He's done except he gets to come back next season at our expense to collect a paycheck with below average results. IMHO Jerry sure got the wrong of the end of the stick on this contract. Nice job. I remember back when he was drafted. I believe both you, I and Otis all had someone else in mind instead of drafting Elliot that night.

That really falls on Kellen Moore if whoever the OC is. Zeke still has value depending on how you use him. He’s really got no business starting. Pollard is clearly the better RB of the two at this point. Zeke is more of a power back at this point in his career. He’s not going to outrun anyone but if you need a yard or two he can get you that. He’s also still the best blocking RB on the team. There was a play on Sunday where he took out two guys that had come free and were about to kill Dak. He has things he does well the OC just needs to use him in those ways and not try to make him something he’s not anymore.

At least for 1 more season. After that he’s gone.

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Post#593 » by bluejerseyjinx » Wed Jan 19, 2022 8:21 pm

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Mr B wrote:If you cut Zeke this off season you can’t spend money to help the defense. Because of his dead money number there wouldn’t be any money left.

I understand that. you explained all that last year and you are right. I know that. My point is Elliot is coming back so Cowboy fans should not expect the running game and offense to be any better nest season than it was last Sunday. That's all I'm trying to say. Elliot is cashed and worn out. He's done except he gets to come back next season at our expense to collect a paycheck with below average results. IMHO Jerry sure got the wrong of the end of the stick on this contract. Nice job. I remember back when he was drafted. I believe both you, I and Otis all had someone else in mind instead of drafting Elliot that night.

That really falls on Kellen Moore if whoever the OC is. Zeke still has value depending on how you use him. He’s really got no business starting. Pollard is clearly the better RB of the two at this point. Zeke is more of a power back at this point in his career. He’s not going to outrun anyone but if you need a yard or two he can get you that. He’s also still the best blocking RB on the team. There was a play on Sunday where he took out two guys that had come free and were about to kill Dak. He has things he does well the OC just needs to use him in those ways and not try to make him something he’s not anymore.

At least for 1 more season. After that he’s gone.

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What would be the cap hit if we traded Elliot? But now that I think about it, who would want him.
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Re: State of Cowboys Union? 

Post#594 » by Cactus Jack » Wed Jan 19, 2022 8:25 pm

bluejerseyjinx wrote:What would be the cap hit if we traded Elliot? But now that I think about it, who would want him.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/dallas-cowboys/ezekiel-elliott-18952/

If he's cut or traded (either one), his cap hit is still $30m. Next year it drops down to just $11m against the cap.

If he's released, then teams will want him. Because his salary would be a fraction of what he's making now.
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Post#595 » by Micah Prescott » Wed Jan 19, 2022 8:35 pm

Yeah that block was amazing Zeke took down 2 defenders. A rare bright spot in that game.

He looks to be declining but he has never shied away from contact.

I'm okay with him one more season of Zeke as long as Pollard gets as many or more carries than Zeke. I don't want Zeke to be the lead workhorse any more. Pollard needs to be given a chance to show what he can do as the guy.
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Post#596 » by Micah Prescott » Wed Jan 19, 2022 8:39 pm

On another note after watching the Rams obliterate Arizona I do suspect that they would have done the same to Dallas. That Rams team is loaded and adding little pieces like Von Miller and Odell Beckham made them even more loaded. I feel like they have a real shot a ring and are still being somewhat overlooked behind Green Bay and Tampa.

Matthew Stafford had ZERO playoff wins going into that game and if you look at the difference between him in Detroit and now it *SHOULD* click in your head that this game isn't all about the QB.
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Post#597 » by Mr B » Wed Jan 19, 2022 8:40 pm

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bluejerseyjinx wrote:I understand that. you explained all that last year and you are right. I know that. My point is Elliot is coming back so Cowboy fans should not expect the running game and offense to be any better nest season than it was last Sunday. That's all I'm trying to say. Elliot is cashed and worn out. He's done except he gets to come back next season at our expense to collect a paycheck with below average results. IMHO Jerry sure got the wrong of the end of the stick on this contract. Nice job. I remember back when he was drafted. I believe both you, I and Otis all had someone else in mind instead of drafting Elliot that night.

That really falls on Kellen Moore if whoever the OC is. Zeke still has value depending on how you use him. He’s really got no business starting. Pollard is clearly the better RB of the two at this point. Zeke is more of a power back at this point in his career. He’s not going to outrun anyone but if you need a yard or two he can get you that. He’s also still the best blocking RB on the team. There was a play on Sunday where he took out two guys that had come free and were about to kill Dak. He has things he does well the OC just needs to use him in those ways and not try to make him something he’s not anymore.

At least for 1 more season. After that he’s gone.

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What would be the cap hit if we traded Elliot? But now that I think about it, who would want him.

I’m honestly not 100% sure how much the cap hit would be if someone traded for him but I believe the Cowboys would still be on the hook for all of his guaranteed money. That’s not likely to happen though. Why would a team trade for a declining RB with a huge contract when they can just draft a RB in the middle rounds and get better production for a lot less money.
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Post#598 » by Mr B » Wed Jan 19, 2022 8:44 pm

Micah Prescott wrote:On another note after watching the Rams obliterate Arizona I do suspect that they would have done the same to Dallas. That Rams team is loaded and adding little pieces like Von Miller and Odell Beckham made them even more loaded. I feel like they have a real shot a ring and are still being somewhat overlooked behind Green Bay and Tampa.

Matthew Stafford had ZERO playoff wins going into that game and if you look at the difference between him in Detroit and now it *SHOULD* click in your head that this game isn't all about the QB.

Until that playoff game Stafford has been bad to average down the stretch. Personally I put Stafford in the same class as Romo and Rivers. Great players statistically however it’s just a matter of time before the wheels come off. I think in the next round we will see him put up great numbers again however at the worst possible time he will throw a pick or fumble the ball. I don’t view him as a winner at all.
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Post#599 » by Micah Prescott » Wed Jan 19, 2022 8:49 pm

Mr B wrote:
Micah Prescott wrote:On another note after watching the Rams obliterate Arizona I do suspect that they would have done the same to Dallas. That Rams team is loaded and adding little pieces like Von Miller and Odell Beckham made them even more loaded. I feel like they have a real shot a ring and are still being somewhat overlooked behind Green Bay and Tampa.

Matthew Stafford had ZERO playoff wins going into that game and if you look at the difference between him in Detroit and now it *SHOULD* click in your head that this game isn't all about the QB.

Until that playoff game Stafford has been bad to average down the stretch. Personally I put Stafford in the same class as Romo and Rivers. Great players statistically however it’s just a matter of time before the wheels come off. I think in the next round we will see him put up great numbers again however at the worst possible time he will throw a pick or fumble the ball. I don’t view him as a winner at all.

You mostly view him as a loser because he was on the Lions.

I don't think he's that great TBH, and I put him behind Dak even. But above Foles. My point is that NOW he is suddenly winning but it has nothing to do with him and everything to do with his team.
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Post#600 » by Otis Driftwood » Fri Jan 21, 2022 5:46 pm

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